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[Bishop Steiner]

Lubalin, on 20 October 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

Exactly what i was wondering. I was in the hills on river city, he was under the bridge next to theta, by a post. 500m is a guess, but it was not point blank.

Only at sub 270 is he going to crit an Atlases SIDE TORSOs from the front. CT, even then will not breach. Hence either you were much closer than you realize/admit, and that's your own dang fault for getting ambushed (which qualifies as "working as intended" on the Jagerbomb's parts) or you were being hit by his teammates at the same time.

Either way, if you can't overcome a glass cannon with bad heat, low range and poor ammo endurance, the problem might not be on the AC40s side of the equation. The AC40 CAN be terribly effective, especially against noobs, I have my share of 5-8 kill matches in them. I also have a LOT of 0-1 kill matches where PPCs, Gauss, LRms or the bloody map (Alpine) killed me pretty dead before I could do a thing in one. And there is a reason they are not common in competitive 12 man. Actually several, most of which I touched on at the beginning of this post.

Nerfing everything you die from kinda leaves the game without weapons, ya dig?

[kongman]

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

Sorry, but not a big deal unless you make it one.

AC/40 is fine.

ac40 is for idiots who cant play and just want big boom ....shoot one of those ac 20 off and he will run away cryin like a girl

[Sandpit]

love threads like this lol just because someone got owned (which I still have a hard time believing given that recount of events in the op) there's a "problem" with a build or weapon. Just because a build has the power to put a hurtin on a mech doesn't mean there's a "problem" with it. There's no problem with this build. Play smart when you see a cannon like this and stay at range and use ranged weapons or make him use his shots up at max range where the damage isn't near as bad.

I wonder what a "nerf" thread would like like at this point. A list of everything that's been requested to be nerfed by players.

[Bacl]

I tried the Ac40 didnt like it but i know the pros and the cons, yes is is a massive 40 damage pin point but man that heat if you alpha them... Other thing is well the ammo and the need of an XL engine.

If you got shot twice well this is your fault for not rotating you torso and/or not running for cover. I do agree on the fact that the game requires a cone of fire, would solve 5-% of the problems.

[WVAnonymous]

I really like 2 AC5s much better. The DPS is much more sustainable and the range is much better. 8 tons of ammo and you can just leave your index finger on cruise control.

[divinedisclaimer]

"such a long range"

(2nd shortest range category in the game, one of the longest cooldowns, and slowest projectile speeds)

Protip: Lock and confirm enemy loadouts before you engage them. When you see a 2xAC20 build, play to it's weakness by maintaining 300+ meters and the highest possible angular velocity. Move unpredictably.

I regularly take down 2-AC20 builds in my Raven 3L, Jenner, and CTF-1X with only large lasers.

It hasn't even occurred to me as an issue. It's a poopy crutch build and it makes me sad that you can't handle it.

Edited by divinedisclaimer, 23 October 2013 - 04:46 PM.

[xMEPHISTOx]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

ac40 is for idiots who cant play and just want big boom ....

Troll much...

[kf envy]

NamesAreStupid, on 23 October 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

go pilot a medium then. Not fast enough to run away not armored enough to kill.

ill give you a hint about the mech i use 90% of the time.
its 50tons
4 Ver of it in MWO
1 Ver comes with a AC20
it has no jump jets

if you cant guess it
its a HUNCHBACK

[Grym]

kf envy, on 23 October 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

its a HUNCHBACK

Ive mastered hunchbacks but overall the chassis is trash. The "hunch" has too large a profile. I had more success sniping with a gauss than on a battle line with an AC/20. The hunchback doesnt offer what a yenlow does, ac/20 with an xl. Overall they are much tougher.

The hunchback needs a re-design.

AC/20 shadow with jump jets...well thats a completely different story. Lovin it.

[smokefield]

maybe the op forgot to put some armour on his atlas...

[kf envy]

i take mine in CQB for get this sniping

Grym, on 23 October 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

Ive mastered hunchbacks but overall the chassis is trash. The "hunch" has too large a profile. I had more success sniping with a gauss than on a battle line with an AC/20. The hunchback doesnt offer what a yenlow does, ac/20 with an xl. Overall they are much tougher.

The hunchback needs a re-design.

AC/20 shadow with jump jets...well thats a completely different story. Lovin it.

but that what makes them good. if i role up with some other medium other then a hunchback 99% of the time they go after them over my hunchback letting me get on there 6 and put rounds in there back or just lag them

[Kilrein]

WhoDidTheElf, on 20 October 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

FIREBRAND

That's my AC/40 build. Take note of the armor on the legs, and rear of the mech. It's paper thin. An AC/40 would blow one of my legs off with a single hit, actually a Jenner with 6MLA's would as well. Yes the mechs hit pretty hard, but they are stupid easy to kill. If you see a boom jager walking around aim for him. Odds are his armor is paper thin, and running an XL engine. Get behind them as well, generally they have no armor.

Sorry, but you are doing it wrong with that build. Way too much ammo, will never use more than 40-45 shots in a game on average.

I run dry on ammo about 10% of the matches in this build and that means I've done about 700-800 damage and I'm ok with that.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...90e610e310725d5

But I don't play it anymore because I consider this to be EZ-Mode MWO.

[Scarlet Tempest]

I don't find this game unbalanced but the huge ac/40 crazy is getting a bit out of hand. I don't even neeed to target a jagermech I know what it is running ac/40 -.- It's killing my enjoyment due to lack of enemy variety to kill. pretty much all my mechs are ppc mechs to counter such builds hence forth all my SRM mechs are useless when every mech i come around the corner has 2 ac/20s in my face. It limits the meta completely to what it is now. PPC boats and Ac/20 boats. >.> either pure close range or pure long range god forbid you want to do something like have a medium laser. One drop I went in the enemy had 6 ac/40 mechs... it's like "oh boy fighting 6 mechs with identical load outs so much fun. God love having such diversity in enemy mechs to shoot at. I don't think they are OP at all. I know there weakness I just think they need to do something to make them less popular in some way I guess. At this rate when we get Omnimechs it's going to be ac/20s... ac/20s everywhere even more then now. I get why people pilot them if it works don't change your style. I honestly have no idea how to stomp out this meta to promote more diversity. Other then forcefully stop them with limiting 1 ac/20 per a mech as lore would tell you more then 1 would just send your mech on it's back quite fast. :/ I think the ghost heat is fine. I think the damage cool down all that is fine. that's all there to make it a balance weapon I get it but doesn't seem to discourage anyone from actually use two of them.

[New Day]

kf envy, on 23 October 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

ill give you a hint about the mech i use 90% of the time.
its 50tons
4 Ver of it in MWO
1 Ver comes with a AC20
it has no jump jets

if you cant guess it
its a HUNCHBACK

Well I have mastered Blackjacks, Hunchbacks, Centurions, Trebuchets and have few chassis of Cicadas and Kintaros and play almost exclusively mediums.

Your point is what exactly?

Edited by NamesAreStupid, 24 October 2013 - 04:24 AM.

[Krivvan]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

ac40 is for idiots who cant play and just want big boom ....shoot one of those ac 20 off and he will run away cryin like a girl

Ok, I don't get in the habit of singling people out usually, but you've said the same for light mechs, snipers, and a whole load of other kinds of mechs.

It sounds like you think that people who "can play" do what you do and run headlong into the enemy team upon first glance in an Atlas and die every game.

[Joseph Mallan]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

ac40 is for idiots who cant play and just want big boom ....shoot one of those ac 20 off and he will run away cryin like a girl

Not all of us are like that. Shoot off one of my 20s and I still have one hammer to hit you with! I liked being a grenadier cause of the Big Boom... You callin' me an ***** too?

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 24 October 2013 - 10:04 AM.

[Kattspya]

Kain, on 23 October 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

They are fine,

Sure they are annoying, but so are LRM boats, sporting a bunch of LRMs, or ppc mechs etc.

Just use teamwork to negate those builds, that's why MW:O is a team game.

How is teamplay supposed to work without voice?

Sure you can spot it at 600 and call it via text but you almost never do. Anything less and the time spent typing is better spent shooting or hiding.

Blobbing is not teamplay.

So, how do teamplay?

[Vodrin Thales]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

ac40 is for idiots who cant play and just want big boom ....shoot one of those ac 20 off and he will run away cryin like a girl

Or just shoot out a side torso and he will be dead and unable to cry.

Kattspya, on 24 October 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

How is teamplay supposed to work without voice?

Sure you can spot it at 600 and call it via text but you almost never do. Anything less and the time spent typing is better spent shooting or hiding.

Blobbing is not teamplay.

So, how do teamplay?

If you cannot identify which enemy mechs are a threat, see what range you should engage at, and more smartly relative to your team, and do that without voice comms, then you will have a rough time in pugs. It can be done though.

[Piney II]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

ac40 is for idiots who cant play and just want big boom ....shoot one of those ac 20 off and he will run away cryin like a girl

So when an AC40 Jaeger pilot leaves a match with 6 kills and over 700 damage he can't play? LOL!

Shoot one AC20 off and there's still another one left.

All the hype aside, the AC40 builds aren't easy to pilot successfully - you need to be able to shoot and scoot working with other mechs. If you get caught in the open alone, you're killed pretty quickly.

[Vodrin Thales]

Piney, on 24 October 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

So when an AC40 Jaeger pilot leaves a match with 6 kills and over 700 damage he can't play? LOL!

Well, no. But the team he was facing might be accused of incompetence. Jaegers are insanely fragile, and are only effective if not a priority target.