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[Rascula]

Its been said to death but Solo dropping versus teams is just the worst game play experience.. Its no fun at all for the Solo dropper <for obvious curb stomping reasons> and the teams <or at least any team I have ever been in> want to play versus other teams...

Come on PGI you can give us a game experience better than this!

[AnnoyingCat]

suck it up and play

[Homeless Bill]

Please. Please make this thread stop. PUGing isn't nearly as bad as you people make it out to be. Carry harder.

[Joseph Mallan]

Rascula, on 11 November 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Its been said to death but Solo dropping versus teams is just the worst game play experience.. Its no fun at all for the Solo dropper <for obvious curb stomping reasons> and the teams <or at least any team I have ever been in> want to play versus other teams...

Come on PGI you can give us a game experience better than this!

Please speak for yourself sir. I have as much fun PUGging as I do with the Law... except I laugh more as a Lawman, cause we joke with each other. But if I get 600 damage and 4 kills it doesn't matter which side of the coin it happens on, I had a good game.

Homeless Bill, on 11 November 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Please. Please make this thread stop. PUGing isn't nearly as bad as you people make it out to be. Carry harder.

Or accept your limitations!

[Roadbeer]

This thread is 30 minutes old and Mudhutwarrior hasn't made an appearance?

Oh, but Wintersdark commented, so all is ok.



Bad thread/topic is bad, anti-social neckbeards really need to find a group/faction. That is all.

[Felbombling]

I think the problem could be easily fixed by at least indicating if there is a team in the game or not. War Thunder does it. World of Tanks does it. It is the perception that you are being rolled over by a team as a PuG player, not the fact that teams exist.

[New Breed]

Roadbeer, on 11 November 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

This thread is 30 minutes old and Mudhutwarrior hasn't made an appearance?

Oh, but Wintersdark commented, so all is ok.



Bad thread/topic is bad, anti-social neckbeards really need to find a group/faction. That is all.

Awesome, thanks for the advice on telling people how to play a game.

Can I tell you how you how to drive your car? it wont be pretty.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ghost Bear, on 11 November 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

Awesome, thanks for the advice on telling people how to play a game.

Can I tell you how you how to drive your car? it wont be pretty.

No less so than the OP Ghost Bear.

[PropagandaWar]

Rascula, on 11 November 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Its been said to death but Solo dropping versus teams is just the worst game play experience.. Its no fun at all for the Solo dropper <for obvious curb stomping reasons> and the teams <or at least any team I have ever been in> want to play versus other teams...

Come on PGI you can give us a game experience better than this!

Sorry but my solo experience isnt bad. Must be the individual and not the game.

[Roadbeer]

Ghost Bear, on 11 November 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

Awesome, thanks for the advice on telling people how to play a game.

Can I tell you how you how to drive your car? it wont be pretty.

I was much less jaded about the topic around the 30th time it was brought up. Now it's become tiresome as to become nauseating.

Soon will come the arguments about an integrated VoIP, solo queue, removal of groups, etc., etc., etc. and it will ALWAYS be the same people making the same arguments. Somewhere along the way, someone will resort to ad hominem and hyperbole, resulting in it being sent to K Town.

[PropagandaWar]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 November 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

Please speak for yourself sir. I have as much fun PUGging as I do with the Law... except I laugh more as a Lawman, cause we joke with each other. But if I get 600 damage and 4 kills it doesn't matter which side of the coin it happens on, I had a good game.


Or accept your limitations!

I think soloist (not to be confused with solo artist, because they wouldn't complain about puggin) think premades are always calling shots and tactics instead of the trash talking antics that usually go on.

[Khobai]

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I think the problem could be easily fixed by at least indicating if there is a team in the game or not. War Thunder does it. World of Tanks does it. It is the perception that you are being rolled over by a team as a PuG player, not the fact that teams exist.

WoT only allows group sizes of 2-3 in 16v16
WT allows groups of 4 in 16v16

MWO allows groups of 4 in 12v12

Groups have more of an influence on game outcome in MWO than in those other games. I personally think max group size in MWO needs to be lowered to 2-3 so its comparable to whats considered balanced in other games. No one should be denied the ability to play with their friends, but you should not be allowed to drastically alter the outcome of a match either.

Edited by Khobai, 11 November 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Roadbeer, on 11 November 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

I was much less jaded about the topic around the 30th time it was brought up. Now it's become tiresome as to become nauseating.

Soon will come the arguments about an integrated VoIP, solo queue, removal of groups, etc., etc., etc. and it will ALWAYS be the same people making the same arguments. Somewhere along the way, someone will resort to ad hominem and hyperbole, resulting in it being sent to K Town.

maybe we should get with Mud and negotiate reversing stances just to shake things up???

PropagandaWar, on 11 November 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

I think soloist (not to be confused with solo artist, because they wouldn't complain about puggin) think premades are always calling shots and tactics instead of the trash talking antics that usually go on.

Oh... I don't normally see that with the Law.

[AdamBaines]

Roadbeer, on 11 November 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Soon will come the arguments about an integrated VoIP, solo queue, removal of groups, etc., etc., etc. and it will ALWAYS be the same people making the same arguments. Somewhere along the way, someone will resort to ad hominem and hyperbole, resulting in it being sent to K Town.

Amen. We are not always of the same opinion.....but you are 100% right here.

[Profiteer]

This is an online only, PVP only, team game.

Pugging is what you do for the first month or two (at most) to get an idea of the game and build up some mechs and a little bit of cash.

After that you should be getting on team-speak (comstar USA is a good starting point) and joining 4-mans and making some friends. From there you can choose to join a group and start doing 12-mans.

If you insist of playing by yourself then expect to never get very far.

MWO = online only, PVP only.
Teamwork = victory.

Edited by Profiteer, 11 November 2013 - 04:18 PM.

[Sandpit]

And you know you were playing against a pug on voip because.............? Oh, you know because you got stomped and that MUST be the reason. Oh, because they told you they were (never mind that I troll games all the time saying my team is a premade JUST to get a rise out of players)

Scapegoat is Scapegoat

oops, almost forgot....

Teamwork is OP, it should be nerfed! Wait, what do you mean it was nerfed and you can only drop in 4 or 12 man groups now? Well uhm.... that's not good enough because I'm still getting beat a lot!

Edited by Sandpit, 11 November 2013 - 11:51 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 11 November 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

And you know you were playing against a pug on voip because.............? Oh, you know because you got stomped and that MUST be the reason. Oh, because they told you they were (never mind that I troll games all the time saying my team is a premade JUST to get a rise out of players)

Scapegoat is Scapegoat

oops, almost forgot....

Teamwork is OP, it should be nerfed! Wait, what do you mean it was nerfed and you can only drop in 4 or 12 man groups now? Well uhm.... that's not good enough because I'm still getting beat a lot!

Sarcasm

[Profiteer]

Khobai, on 11 November 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

WoT only allows group sizes of 2-3 in 16v16
WT allows groups of 4 in 16v16

MWO allows groups of 4 in 12v12

Groups have more of an influence on game outcome in MWO than in those other games. I personally think max group size in MWO needs to be lowered to 2-3 so its comparable to whats considered balanced in other games. No one should be denied the ability to play with their friends, but you should not be allowed to drastically alter the outcome of a match either.

I think they should be raised to 6.

There are times when I'm playing against other good 4-mans and it basically comes down to who is given the better pugs.

4 is sometimes not enough to influence the battle if 8 tards rush single file at the enemy and won't listen to even the most basic commands.

Edited by Profiteer, 11 November 2013 - 04:21 PM.

[DaZur]

I'm so tired of players clinging to the premise that PUGs are helpless cannon fodder to teams...

Obviously team-play has inherent advantages such as communication / coordination but it's nothing that cannot be overcome.

PUG Play 101:

- Don't run off and play Rambo.
- Don't try to pilot Medium mechs like Heavies or Assaults...
- Do run with the pack... or at least glom onto a teammate (whether you two communicate or not).
- Don't attempt to CAP the furthest node a map with the slowest Assault...
- Push when the team pushes... not before or after.
- Focus Fire.
- If your ECM, stay with your team unless you are actually scouting and calling targets and locking them up for the LRMs.
- Know when to fall back and re-group... pressing a losing situation does not help your team.

In short... play like your a team, even if you're not.

Bad PUG players are victims of their own arrogance and ignorance... There are 103 different things a PUG player can do to bolster their team to victory. Dropping alligator tears in the forum is not one of them.

And before anyone accuses me of team-play bias... Let the record show I PUG exclusively, and successfully despite the deficits inherent in PUG play.

One is only a victim if they allow themselves to be one...

Edited by DaZur, 11 November 2013 - 12:53 PM.

[Kunae]

Rascula, on 11 November 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Its been said to death but Solo dropping versus teams is just the worst game play experience.. Its no fun at all for the Solo dropper <for obvious curb stomping reasons> and the teams <or at least any team I have ever been in> want to play versus other teams...

Come on PGI you can give us a game experience better than this!

Time to choose the red pill, OP.