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[Otto Cannon]

So until we know for sure how the new Jester will be equipped, I'd like to see what people are hoping for. Personally I have a feeling it won't have JJ, and certainly not ECM, in which case the only feature apart from the hardpoints will be double protection against a weapon that hardly anyone uses at high levels.

Do you low Elo PUG a lot and really want those AMS? Or do you just love the paint or hardpoints?

Or will you be keeping your wallet closed unless it has something more?

Edited by Otto Cannon, 31 October 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[Demos]

I'll buy one in a sale, not with the regular price.
Because of dat paintjob...
Nevertheles,JJ would be nice, too.

[MeiSooHaityu]

The paint scheme is not an issue for me (especially with the ability to change the colors), but the loadout seems sub-par IMO.

Untill I hear more stats, I suppose I will TRY and keep an open mind.

[Corpsecandle]

You should add CB cat torso twist as an option...It used to be obscene and I'm kinda hoping that they use it to make up for seemingly lack luster hard-points.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Corpsecandle, on 31 October 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

You should add CB cat torso twist as an option...It used to be obscene and I'm kinda hoping that they use it to make up for seemingly lack luster hard-points.

I would second that. Either that, or up the engine size cap (maybe up to 100kph in a Catapult). If the weapon slots are underwhelming, have the mech excel in another area.

[Ryjax]

I'm glad a lot of people are saying it's a waste and won't buy it. Those people aren't Cat pilots and that just means there will be less Jesters running around. I've always loved Cats, and they are my favorite mech to pilot. I like they way they move/twist/handle. Maybe there are better options for energy boats, maybe it isn't going to be the best mech in the game when it's released. So what? It's more variety in the game, and it's another Cat for me to pilot. I can change colors if I want, it's not that hard. Hello Jester!

[Tirick Fire]

I love my Catapults, but the K2 was just not for me. I really think it had to do with early beta PPC performance, and the lack of JJ's. If this (ugly) beast has JJ's I will give it serious consideration. I'll paint the whole thing black though...

[Bishop Steiner]

Otto Cannon, on 31 October 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

So until we know for sure how the new Jester will be equipped, I'd like to see what people are hoping for. Personally I have a feeling it won't have JJ, and certainly not ECM, in which case the only feature apart from the hardpoints will be double protection against a weapon that hardly anyone uses at high levels.

Do you low Elo PUG a lot and really want those AMS? Or do you just love the paint or hardpoints?

Or will you be keeping your wallet closed unless it has something more?

Your color matching needs work, Padawan.

[Asyres]

I probably won't buy it because it's likely to end up being a worse Firebrand. They could still surprise me, but who knows?

[Otto Cannon]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 October 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

Your color matching needs work, Padawan.

True, you got me there but I'm not putting work into a forum pic. Those are the closest default colours from Paint chosen from memory without comparing.

So do you agree that it looks underwhelming unless there are any surprises? I'd love jumpjets personally, or even just the old cat torso twist, but I feel like the double AMS means we won't get anything else in case of P2W complaints.

[NRP]

I never use AMS, so for me a purchase depends on the presence of jump jets.

[Shadey99]

I'm not a paintjob fan.. I don't need dual AMS... I do love my Cats (though I have not played them lately), so I'd consider it on sale (I don't buy full price). However any which way I'd want hard points that make it usable to me...

[Bishop Steiner]

Otto Cannon, on 31 October 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

True, you got me there but I'm not putting work into a forum pic. Those are the closest default colours from Paint chosen from memory without comparing.

So do you agree that it looks underwhelming unless there are any surprises? I'd love jumpjets personally, or even just the old cat torso twist, but I feel like the double AMS means we won't get anything else in case of P2W complaints.

Oh I voted JJs.

I don't think ECM can be done on a Hero mech, unless that chassis already has cbill versions with ECM already, otherwise, P2W arguments might have legitimacy. I don't think giving the K2 JJs is such an issue, because the K2 is just one variant of the Catapult chassis, of which all the rest DO have JJs.

That said, I don't think that in itself would be enough, if the hardpoints are as underwhelming and boring as they appear, unless maybe they go all BoarsHead with it, and give it a massive engine to boot. Even then it sounds like a one trick pony.

[Bagheera]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 October 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

... and give it a massive engine to boot ...

Meh, so over them making Hero mechs the fastest variant for a given chassis. I recognize it as not a distinct advantage, but it's still smelly smelly poo poo, imo.

[Bishop Steiner]

Bagheera, on 31 October 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Meh, so over them making Hero mechs the fastest variant for a given chassis. I recognize it as not a distinct advantage, but it's still smelly smelly poo poo, imo.

have to do something to differentiate them, and tbh, the original mechs are gonna have the biggest discrepancies. I mean, the bloody Cat only getting 6 hardpoints to begin with compared to the swiss army knives we have today, is just annoying as heck. And we know that you can't get away with ECM, JJs is cutting it close, and if you give too divergent of hardpoints, people will cry, so what its there to do?

[xRatas]

ECM + JJ and I'm quite sure it ends up in my mechbay. Only JJ and it might well end up in my mechbay. It seems to me like a C1 chassis mounting K2 arms with lasers, so I'm hoping it's actually a C1 that's been refitted, not K2.

[Bagheera]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 October 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

have to do something to differentiate them, and tbh, the original mechs are gonna have the biggest discrepancies. I mean, the bloody Cat only getting 6 hardpoints to begin with compared to the swiss army knives we have today, is just annoying as heck. And we know that you can't get away with ECM, JJs is cutting it close, and if you give too divergent of hardpoints, people will cry, so what its there to do?

Why does it have to be near universal though? It's a bland cop out, "We can't think of other ways to differentiate them, so let's just give them bigger stock engines." How about some of them getting the same engine size stock, but getting one of the following:

Twist angle or speed.
Arm articulation.
Lower it's climbing class by 1.
Improved Accel/Deccel
Hardened Gyro (less impulse)
An extra module slot

And so on.

It's not that some are faster that bugs me, just that they seem to use it as the primary differentiating factor (save for the speed capped TDK and speed gimped X-5) where the have plenty of other quirk parameters to play with.

Besides, the primary reason for buying them *should* be tangible reward bonuses in a chassis that a given player enjoys playing - not their combat stats. "Man I sure do love Hunchies... Ooooh, a Hunchie with Hero bonuses, that will come in handy!"

Edited by Bagheera, 31 October 2013 - 09:44 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Bagheera, on 31 October 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Why does it have to be near universal though? It's a bland cop out, "We can't think of other ways to differentiate them, so let's just give them bigger stock engines." How about some of them getting the same engine size stock, but getting one of the following:

Twist angle or speed.
Arm articulation.
Lower it's climbing class by 1.
Improved Accel/Deccel
Hardened Gyro (less impulse)
An extra module slot

And so on.

It's not that some are faster that bugs me, just that they seem to use it as the primary differentiating factor (save for the speed capped TDK and speed gimped X-5) where the have plenty of other quirk parameters to play with.

Besides, the primary reason for buying them *should* be tangible reward bonuses in a chassis that a given player enjoys playing - not their combat stats. "Man I sure do love Hunchies... Ooooh, a Hunchie with Hero bonuses, that will come in handy!"

And the slower than all other models Golden Boy, the YLW is slower than CN9-D,. The Misery, Fang, Flame, Ilya and Protector go stock speed.

The FireBrand is what..5 kph faster? The pretty Baby 4 kph faster than a 9M?

I agree it is kind of generic, but it is far from universal.

[CDLord HHGD]

Another "X mech is DOA thread".... /original.

[FupDup]

I wouldn't call the Trollcat DoA. If you use your K2 for PPC sniping instead of heavy ballistics (<--that's what Jagermechs are for), then you can use the Jester to replace your torso MGs with ML instead (whole loadout of 4 ML and 2 PPCs). That doesn't seem too bad. Of course it's still obsolete to the Firebrand except for dual AMS and the sexier Catapult model, but really the K2 is also kinda replaced by the FB as well.

Edited by FupDup, 31 October 2013 - 09:59 AM.