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[Anndy]

i've noticed a trend where my entire team will run and hide the second an enemy gets near and god forbid a rush comes and those 8 guys on your team suddenly leave you to die

[aniviron]

[Stingray Productions]

guess you'll just have to flee with 'em. ....unless you're a 48.0 kph atlas, then you die. Guess it then becomes one of the strategies of teamwork, to try to work with your team to stick together always and not split or run away.

[Anndy]

Stingray1234, on 05 November 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

guess you'll just have to flee with 'em. ....unless you're a 48.0 kph atlas, then you die.

56 but yeah pretty much death every time and the worst part is that i draw all the dam fire anyway so there's no reason for my team to scatter and not at least open up on a few of them

[Dawnstealer]

This is exactly why, at least in my brawler builds, I wade into combat SLOWLY. This doesn't mean I'm tentative: I use cover to move closer, I move with the team, but I keep them pressing forward. If they do the run-and-hide thing, at least you're not in the middle.

I see a lot of Atlas pilots just keep wading forward and pay no attention to what their team is doing. Keep in mind not everyone's piloting a 100 ton death machine that can take gobs of damage: some of those mechs are relatively fragile and can't take a lot of hits before they go down. The margin of error's a lot higher with an Atlas and that can sometimes make their pilots a bit tactically blind, just expecting everyone else to follow them in.

[Stingray Productions]

Anndy, on 05 November 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

56 but yeah pretty much death every time and the worst part is that i draw all the dam fire anyway so there's no reason for my team to scatter and not at least open up on a few of them

I know your pain. I've found it helpful to just never be in the front. One simple tactic, move in formations, all the clans and houses use 'em. There's a reason for them, to help prevent this. Dropping in four man groups, I've been able to coordinate with the others to move in a wall, NOT SINGLE FILE. Of course, that can't always happen if you drop lone wolf. Also, every mech is different, and thus has those weaknesses. Jaggermechs have less armor, catapults have larger and easier to hit cockpits, locusts have long legs, the atlas is often too slow and an easier target. Every warrior must be aware of each mech's weakness and learn to work around them. I'd suggesting pinpointing your slowest mechs on your team and sticking with them, watch them closely. I've noticed when i sometimes get left behind, it's when I'm engaged in firing and they retreat only for me to realize it when they've already left. Be aware of your teamates, and the instant they begin to turn, turn with 'em.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

It happens, you gotta get familiar with maps to find angles to get behind cover when you can when you get left alone by your team.

What are you running on your mech?

Have you used this site? http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/

[Void Angel]

Anndy, on 05 November 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

i've noticed a trend where my entire team will run and hide the second an enemy gets near and god forbid a rush comes and those 8 guys on your team suddenly leave you to die

It's a bit of a problem with a lot of PuG games right now - there's reasons for it, but it's still bad play.

One major cause is the advent of 12-mans. Used to be 8v8 teams, so your 'mech was a more significant fraction of the total tonnage out there. Once 12v12 came online, the amount of firepower out there rose by 50%, so people who would walk out of cover at the wrong time would end up a smoking ruin in very short order - particularly if they didn't know how to mitigate damage.

Another contributing factor is weapon balance. Long-range weapons have been strong-to-dominant (depending on the patch) for a while now, so many people gravitated toward long-range builds. This is a normal process, of course, but it means that leaving cover - in the wrong way - can be even more deadly.

The best thing to do is try to get a feel for what your team is doing - they'll almost never move forward at first contact, so plan for that. Talk (nicely!) to your team and figure out what they want and are willing to do, and if they're running around silent, try to stay with and support the biggest group.

[Koniving]

I find myself singing this often.

[Stingray Productions]

Koniving, on 05 November 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

I find myself singing this often.

ha ha, you're funny koniving!

[Nick Makiaveli]

FTR if I am running in a Light, then yeah I am going to run away, but will return shortly

Point being, do your best to stay alive, move toward cover and/or teammates and hope for the best.


That and download TeamSpeak and google No Guts, No Galaxy Teamspeak. Under no circumstances should you check out my merc unit and try to join up with one of the best groups out there. Would be a total waste of your time

[Anndy]

Dawnstealer, on 05 November 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

This is exactly why, at least in my brawler builds, I wade into combat SLOWLY. This doesn't mean I'm tentative: I use cover to move closer, I move with the team, but I keep them pressing forward. If they do the run-and-hide thing, at least you're not in the middle.

that's actually exactly what i've been trying to do after the first few times and i'll actually wait till a fight breaks out before i commit now but yeah next thing i know i'm surrounded and maybe have 1 other that stayed to fight

Stingray1234, on 05 November 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

I've noticed when i sometimes get left behind, it's when I'm engaged in firing and they retreat only for me to realize it when they've already left. Be aware of your teamates, and the instant they begin to turn, turn with 'em.

and that's exactly what happens lol, i try to watch what they are doing but in the heat of the moment it's hard to see my team scatter till it's too late

[Naduk]

Anndy
this may seem counter to what your atlas is meant to do
but try a few game holding back, sit near the LRM boats or someplace at the back

at the start of the game there is always that skirmish time period where nobody wants to engage in full
the heavys and meduims poke and prod at the enemy lines trying to fine a weak spot to push into

when they find that and push, you jump in (or slowly stroll haha) and smash anything that gets in your way
this is when your high armor will play out as your team uses you for cover and advances on to victory

most people are getting much better at supporting the atlas going in face first
but if you pull that move to early , they will just leave you to die (i aint going in there that place is death)


i know it feels wrong , but just give it a few goes
hang back and wait for the right time to muscle in

[Anndy]

Naduk, on 05 November 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

Anndy
this may seem counter to what your atlas is meant to do
but try a few game holding back, sit near the LRM boats or someplace at the back

at the start of the game there is always that skirmish time period where nobody wants to engage in full
the heavys and meduims poke and prod at the enemy lines trying to fine a weak spot to push into

when they find that and push, you jump in (or slowly stroll haha) and smash anything that gets in your way
this is when your high armor will play out as your team uses you for cover and advances on to victory

most people are getting much better at supporting the atlas going in face first
but if you pull that move to early , they will just leave you to die (i aint going in there that place is death)


i know it feels wrong , but just give it a few goes
hang back and wait for the right time to muscle in

that actually worked really well for the last few games. just kinda sat back and let my team commit and thin them out a bit then i came in and cleaned house. there was a few complaints from the team but it worked so i think i'll stick to that for a bit

[Reza Malin]

I too find there are a lot of people who like to pussyfoot around far too much. Ok yeah im in an Atlas, however i dont mind taking some fire for dudes if they back me up. Though all too often previously, i have seen the foe, and emerged from cover to engage with 3 or 4 allies nearby, who then just stay in cover while i get slowly turned to slag in focus fire.....thanks team.

The way i see it if you are pugging, which is all i can do at the moment, then you just sit semi middle and wait for a good moment where your teammates look commited then rush in. You have more chance then they will back your play. I find Atlas, especially Boar's Head, is good for shock and awe if you can jump people unaware or if they are already engaging another mech. Being able to shoot straight is a necessity though!

Sometimes a good flank assault is devastating too if you can manage it, nothing annihilates those long range snipers better than a rear attack then gun them down like dogs as they panic and flee! Takes a while to get there in an Atlas though....lol.

My KDR in my Boar's Head is 2.28 if anyone needs a good EU assault mech then hit me up!

Edited by Fade Akira, 06 November 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[Bytemeister]

Anndy, try to remember that every time your 8 team mates back off and you get slaughtered, it looks to them like you pulled a Leeroy Jenkins and charged in. Almost every map in the game has some unofficial skirmish lines, and your team may be hesitant to cross these with out a clear tactical advantage. Hang back a couple of matches and watch where players normally engage each other. This will give you a sense of what is a bold position, and what is a suicide run.

Atlas' should always have a firing buddy too. Pick out a jagermech, or something known for boating big guns and instruct them to follow at about 80-100m. They will be thankful to have a 100 ton death-headed distraction, and you will be thankful to have another couple guns pointed at your targets. Remember that the only weapon in this game that is truly OP is teamwork.

Hope to see you faceroll me online sometime.

[Mycrus]

Get a boar's head and roll at 71+kph

[Vanguard319]

I had a fight like this earlier tonight. the enemy team kept retreating, so we took their base, which they left wide open. Then they had the audacity to call us cowards for capping, who was running away again?

[StarGeezer]

Same idea, just more my speed...

[qwerty]

it is not just atlas pilots that suffer that yesterday i had almost the full team behind me a dragon, spider and a jenner poped up i keepet going (to my Death) and got smashed as the pugs looked on (yes LOOKED ON) after i died and hurt the dragon and leged the jenner and the spider ran away thay decided to move the dragon killed 2others befor he died.

shame on you pugs shame.