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[Captain Stiffy]

My Dearest Developers,

This is the muzzle flare from an actual machinegun:


This is the muzzle flare from an actual tank:


I think somewhere along the lines you developed them but then they got accidentally placed on the wrong weapons.

Thank you

[Nothing Whatsoever]

MWO Machine Guns mounted on mechs are more comparable to one of these CIWS, IMHO.

[Joseph Mallan]

With a couple thousand years worth of refining.
GAU-8

[Malleus011]

Just be grateful they aren't using blackpowder and smoke.

In all seriousness, I totally agree, MG's are blinding in a Shadow Hawk.

[stjobe]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 November 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

With a couple thousand years worth of refining.
GAU-8

"A couple" is a bit overstating it; 3050 - 2013 = 1037.

And the MWO MG feels more like this than the GAU-8:

http://www.youtube.c...uS3G7YKrj4#t=76

Edit: How the f*** do you get the media to embed in edit mode? Is it even possible?
Edit2: Fsck it. Just click the link to see an awesome .22LR steampunk gatling firing. Put-put-put-put

Edited by stjobe, 07 November 2013 - 04:38 AM.

[Troutmonkey]

bah, delete this. Tried to get the video to work embedded. I swear I've managed to do it before..

Edited by Troutmonkey, 07 November 2013 - 04:52 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

stjobe, on 07 November 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

"A couple" is a bit overstating it; 3050 - 2013 = 1037.

And the MWO MG feels more like this than the GAU-8:

http://www.youtube.c...uS3G7YKrj4#t=76

Edit: How the f*** do you get the media to embed in edit mode? Is it even possible?
Edit2: Fsck it. Just click the link to see an awesome .22LR steampunk gatling firing. Put-put-put-put

Hey, I have every right to forget small detail, I'm old!

[Kaeb Odellas]

The triple AC2 Shadow Hawk is near useless in Terra Therma since the stupid HDR bug gradually turns your screen black as you fire. It is the worst thing.

[Strum Wealh]

Captain Stiffy, on 06 November 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

My Dearest Developers,

This is the muzzle flare from an actual machinegun:


This is the muzzle flare from an actual tank:


I think somewhere along the lines you developed them but then they got accidentally placed on the wrong weapons.

Thank you

This is also the actual muzzle flash from an actual tank (an M1A1 firing a M256 120mm gun):

Going by the AC/10 and LB 10-X (typically 80mm to 100mm weapons, as far as BT is concerned) on my Centurions, IMO the class-10 ACs' muzzle flashes seem to be about right.

Joseph Mallan, on 06 November 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

With a couple thousand years worth of refining.
GAU-8

As MGs in BT tend to be in the 17mm to 22mm range (see here and here), they're arguably much closer to the M61 (6-barrel 20mm rotary cannon upon which the Phalanx CIWS is based) & the M39 (single-barrel 20mm revolver cannon) than they are to the GAU-8, while the likes of the GAU-8 & the GSh-6-30 (both being multi-barrel 30mm rotary cannons) would be better represented in BT by the RAC/2.

[WarWrecker]

stjobe, on 07 November 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

"A couple" is a bit overstating it; 3050 - 2013 = 1037.

And the MWO MG feels more like this than the GAU-8:

http://www.youtube.c...uS3G7YKrj4#t=76

Edit: How the f*** do you get the media to embed in edit mode? Is it even possible?
Edit2: Fsck it. Just click the link to see an awesome .22LR steampunk gatling firing. Put-put-put-put

Guy in the video: "yeah it weighs about 60 pounds" *easily picks it up with one hand*
Seems legit
Unless he said 16, lol and yeah machine guns are pretty weak they should have 2 DPS but shouldn't do that stupid extra damage to internals they put in

[Captain Stiffy]

Praetor Shepard, on 06 November 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

MWO Machine Guns mounted on mechs are more comparable to one of these CIWS, IMHO.

I think that's more like a UAC5, rotating turret. MG's in MWO (at least if not Btech) are obviously not rotary...

[Joseph Mallan]

Strum Wealh, on 07 November 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

This is also the actual muzzle flash from an actual tank (an M1A1 firing a M256 120mm gun):

Going by the AC/10 and LB 10-X (typically 80mm to 100mm weapons, as far as BT is concerned) on my Centurions, IMO the class-10 ACs' muzzle flashes seem to be about right.

As MGs in BT tend to be in the 17mm to 22mm range (see here and here), they're arguably much closer to the M61 (6-barrel 20mm rotary cannon upon which the Phalanx CIWS is based) & the M39 (single-barrel 20mm revolver cannon) than they are to the GAU-8, while the likes of the GAU-8 & the GSh-6-30 (both being multi-barrel 30mm rotary cannons) would be better represented in BT by the RAC/2.

Forests and trees
All I was showing was that there ARE high volume fire weapons that don't have huge flash! like the ones in the OP. An was that MG in the OP firing tracers? Cause I don't remember the M-60s or my S.A.W. flashing like that!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 07 November 2013 - 08:54 AM.

[Captain Stiffy]

I just googled 'muzzle flash' - maybe I could have found better examples but I was just looking for a very heavy non-rotary machinegun.

Here's a better example: (It is hard to find pictures of very large non-rotary machineguns like SAW's being fired so here is a very short video)


Which is NOT AT ALL THIS: (lols, even - no weapon that did this would EVER be considered field-acceptable!)

[Captain Stiffy]

Strum Wealh, on 07 November 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

This is also the actual muzzle flash from an actual tank (an M1A1 firing a M256 120mm gun):

Going by the AC/10 and LB 10-X (typically 80mm to 100mm weapons, as far as BT is concerned) on my Centurions, IMO the class-10 ACs' muzzle flashes seem to be about right.

As MGs in BT tend to be in the 17mm to 22mm range (see here and here), they're arguably much closer to the M61 (6-barrel 20mm rotary cannon upon which the Phalanx CIWS is based) & the M39 (single-barrel 20mm revolver cannon) than they are to the GAU-8, while the likes of the GAU-8 & the GSh-6-30 (both being multi-barrel 30mm rotary cannons) would be better represented in BT by the RAC/2.

There's a lot more knowledge as far as real-world stuff here than I know for sure. And that is a cool picture of a tank.

Whoever is saying what here - my original point was that the muzzle flare on machineguns in this game is way, way out of line.

[Joseph Mallan]

Night machine gun fire

Go to about 14-16 seconds and tell me again why we don't want a cone of fire. And how if it ain't flying where I'm pointin' you jackin wit ma mad skillz!"

[Captain Stiffy]

Here's a "Rambo" M60


Here's a Browning - at Night - HUGE MACHINE GUN - and it's not even close to MWO MG's...

[Joseph Mallan]

Big flash on the browning is a tracer round, otherwise minimal flash.

[Captain Stiffy]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 November 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

Big flash on the browning is a tracer round, otherwise minimal flash.

That makes sense, I wondered why it only did it every third round. Duh!

[stjobe]

Captain Stiffy, on 07 November 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

That makes sense, I wondered why it only did it every third round. Duh!

That's a pretty normal distribution of tracer rounds; every 3-5th. Although it makes a pretty light show if you go with a higher ratio (1:1 or 1:2). But remember: Tracers work both ways!

Only problem is cleaning the damn thing afterwards, tracers make one hell of a mess.

Edited by stjobe, 07 November 2013 - 09:19 AM.

[Captain Stiffy]

So apparently what we have run up against is that normal ammunition for MG's is lostech and the only thing they can make now are tracer rounds.