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[Ajantise]

Novakaine, on 20 March 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

What a bunch o sissies.
Where's the bad arse brawlers and the poptarts now?
Quaking in bunkers and slinking behind rocks again.
That's where.
So where all the rage at the dual ac20 bombers or quad AC'2 and 5's
Yup when it's your meta you have nothing to say.
But change it ever so slightly and metal tears commence.
So here's a tip from all us Rocketeers.

Learn to play.
We did.

I know how to play, but i dont want to play one click-LRM-shooter. They made MWO same as ZUMA....

[BlackDeathLegion]

Yo OPer*

How about PGI changes LRMs hit mechanics... to the SAME as STREAKS?

This will spread out damage and BALANCE them... IMHO.

Problem Solved... if PGI can do this without Coding Issues!

[ColonelMetus]

one good idea i heard is let people shoot down incomming missiles with lasers and machine guns

[VXJaeger]

I've changed my mind. Right now LRM sucks badly, and it's launchers should be limited to max 2/mech.
Also trajectory of LRM should be adjusted that it will always land at same angle as when shot to LOS. Now when shot to spotted mech, they arrive in too steep angle.

Speed is rather good, maybe 25m/s decrese would be nice.

[Mystere]

Ajantise, on 21 March 2014 - 06:06 PM, said:

I know how to play, but i dont want to play one click-LRM-shooter. They made MWO same as ZUMA....

Then don't play "one click-LRM-shooter". Instead, play "LRM Hunter". Are you up to the challenge?

[Kjudoon]

Mystere, on 22 March 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Then don't play "one click-LRM-shooter". Instead, play "LRM Hunter". Are you up to the challenge?

As an LRM Pilot, I approve this message. Come get some! Kill me while I'm overconfident!

Edited by Kjudoon, 22 March 2014 - 02:57 PM.

[ColonelMetus]

lrms are ludicrous right now

[Mystere]

Kjudoon, on 22 March 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

As an LRM Pilot, I approve this message. Come get some! Kill me while I'm overconfident!

Well then, you know what to expect if I see you on the other side.

ColonelMetus, on 22 March 2014 - 05:07 PM, said:

lrms are ludicrous right now

Actually, LRMs are at a good place right now. It's the whining I find ludicrous.

[LordLosh]

LRM's need something. I agree the majority of the problem is the spotting shit system we have. I shouldn't be able to get a lock for a few seconds fire and still get hits or any type of tracking with the rockets. I'm over it ******* ruins the game everyone hiding like a bunch of *****'s and the brave or dumb that do step out are screen shaken lrm'ed to death.

I don't rage quit, but when i do its an obvious problem that needs addressed with something. so ill wait until June or a patch that offers some kind of relief. no more money or support from me for awhile.

[Kjudoon]

Mystere, on 22 March 2014 - 05:42 PM, said:

Well then, you know what to expect if I see you on the other side.

Careful with that! People might talk about us.

Unfortunately, you're going to have to wait a while to get your MLs and MGs into my back. My computer's down for the count. Blame it on DX11 non-fixes.

[Tesunie]

Mystere, on 22 March 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Then don't play "one click-LRM-shooter". Instead, play "LRM Hunter". Are you up to the challenge?

I'm ready for those LRM hunters...
Stalker 3F: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1b0fed418ebb28e
Griffin 3M: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c4acc2e2546a287

Go ahead and hunt me down from my LRMs... It just gets worse!
MAHAHAHAHahahahaha! (Evil Laughter)

[Mystere]

Kjudoon, on 22 March 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Careful with that! People might talk about us.

Unfortunately, you're going to have to wait a while to get your MLs and MGs into my back. My computer's down for the count. Blame it on DX11 non-fixes.

And my PC overheated today, causing me to stop as well. Lucky for you!

[Kjudoon]

Mystere, on 22 March 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

And my PC overheated today, causing me to stop as well. Lucky for you!

Oh what kismet!

[Mystere]

Tesunie, on 22 March 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

I'm ready for those LRM hunters...
Stalker 3F: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1b0fed418ebb28e
Griffin 3M: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c4acc2e2546a287

Go ahead and hunt me down from my LRMs... It just gets worse!
MAHAHAHAHahahahaha! (Evil Laughter)

Hold a second! That looks familiar! Are you that poor Stalker I charged like the Light Brigade and killed a few hours ago in my FS9-S? Five of his teammates were desperately trying to get me off his back but ended up shooting him too along with themselves in the ensuing crossfires. They eventually got me ... but OMFG that was a load of fun!

Edited by Mystere, 22 March 2014 - 06:18 PM.

[Tesunie]

Mystere, on 22 March 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

Hold a second! That looks familiar! Are you that poor Stalker I charged like the Light Brigade and killed a few hours ago in my FS9-S? Five of his teammates were desperately trying to get me off his back but ended up shooting him too along with themselves in the ensuing crossfires. They eventually got me ... but OMFG that was a load of fun!

No. That couldn't have been me. I have been playing the Griffin since the new patch (actually, a short while before, but who's counting). However, I can tell you I'd probably be able to swing myself around and shoot you. I seem to have a nasty nack for that. (Twist one way going forwards, as soon as you exit my line of sight, slam reverse and swing the torso the other way quickly. Can normally catch most lights that way and continue to shoot them. Though, I will not say if I would or would not have died in that engagement. I'm just saying I probably could have gotten a few hits on you and prevented an out right rear attach (or at least easy rear attack).)

Also, I don't tend to hang back and use just my LRMs. I aim to try to wade into combat, using LRMs as I get there, and try to get and keep targets inside the sweet 270-180m kill zone...

PS: I hate it when people shoot me instead of the enemy in that situation... but it's expected at the same time...

[ColonelMetus]

it's easy to do over a thousand damage in the trial stalker I just sit back and chill around noon and take that much skill dictated by Samsung Galaxy s4

[ColonelMetus]

lol just toss an LRM 20 with artemis on a banshee and do over 1k damage with out barely even using the other weapons, fair and balanced

[Mystere]

ColonelMetus, on 23 March 2014 - 08:17 PM, said:

lol just toss an LRM 20 with artemis on a banshee and do over 1k damage with out barely even using the other weapons, fair and balanced

1K damage at 100% missile hits for 1.1 damage per missile means 5 tons of ammo. A more realistic 60% missiles hitting means 9 tons of ammo (8.4 tons really, but we can't have fractions). How much were you carrying?

[Elizander]

I usually just carry an LRM10/15+Artemis for long range support. Haven't really been boating them since the patch but I like how one LRM15+A can do the job.

[Tesunie]

ColonelMetus, on 23 March 2014 - 08:17 PM, said:

lol just toss an LRM 20 with artemis on a banshee and do over 1k damage with out barely even using the other weapons, fair and balanced

Mystere, on 23 March 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

1K damage at 100% missile hits for 1.1 damage per missile means 5 tons of ammo. A more realistic 60% missiles hitting means 9 tons of ammo (8.4 tons really, but we can't have fractions). How much were you carrying?

Basically, agreed.

By my current numbers (provided in spoiler) say about 40% of your LRMs will hit (this number will vary from person to person).
Per ton of ammo, you are looking at doing about 82.665 damage. To cause 1000+ damage, you would have to have just over 12 tons of ammo. At that point, you wont have any other weapon systems really...

Spoiler

My stats are as follows (There is an unknown discrepancy between matches played with weapons and matches played with the mech. Do not ask me why):

Mas laser:

• 85.46% accuracy.
  
• 31.76 shots per match.
  
• 78.52 damage per match.
  
• 2.892 damage dealt per shot that hit.
  
• 2.472 damage per shot fired (including misses).

SSRM2s:

• 64.47% accuracy.
  
• 91.81 missiles fired per match. (45.9 shots per launcher.) (Less than 1 ton of ammo.)
  
• 158.142 damage per match.
  
• 2.671 Damage per Missile that hit.
  
• 1.722 damage per missile shot (including misses).
  
• 161.175 damage expected per ton of ammo.

These are my two close range weapons. Combined, they do an average of 236.662 damage per match, at 2 tons for the two med lasers, 1 ton for the spare DHS (for lasers, we shall just say), 4.5 tons for three SSRM2s, another 1.5 tons for BAP for SSRMs, and 2 tons of SSRM ammo. A total of 11 tons dedicated to my close range weapons.


Edit: 21.52 damage per ton per match.

On the other side, here are my LRMs scores:

• 41.75% accuracy rating.
  
• 407.62 missiles fired per match. (20.38 volleys of my ALRM 20). (Just over 2 tons of ammo (2.264 tons of ammo to be exact))
  
• 192.238 damage per match.
  
• 1.13 damage per missile that hit.
  
• 0.472 damage per missile fired (including misses).
  
• 82.665 damage expected per ton of ammo.

Now, take this, and figure out my total tonnage dedicated to the LRM20. LRM 20 is 10 tons. Artemis is another 1 ton. Then, add in 4 tons of ammo. (Excluding BAP as that is there for SSRMs really, though it does help LRMs. And Artemis is for SSRMs, but it adds tonnage to LRMs.) Thats a total of 15 tons.


Edit: 12.82 damage per ton dedicated to the weapon system per match.

So, for having more weight (and crits) dedicated to LRMs, I do far less damage overall. 192.2 damage total for LRMs compared to 236.7 damage for my close range weapons. 428.9 damage total. About 44.82% of my match damage is caused my by heavier LRM system in a given match. Where as 55.18% of my damage is caused by my light close range weapons.

If LRMs are so OP, shouldn't they be causing more of my damage per tonnage of system invested? Yet, somehow, my direct fire damage weapons (and close range) seem to be dealing more damage than my LRM systems, but they weigh less...



Maybe I'm in "Low Elo". Maybe I'm in "High Elo". I don't know. All I can say is, my stats seem to be denying the "LRMagadon". I'm sure if I crunched other player's stats on their weapons since the new patch (or even weapons since the old patch for non-LRM related numbers), I'm sure I will continue to find this pattern. LRMs having a speed increase does not seem to be making them any deadlier than any other weapon. And Direct fire weapons still seem to be more powerful overall.


PS: The Griffin has been the only mech I have played (besides 1 match with a Locust, which used a LPL) since the path. It is also the only mech that I have played that uses these weapon systems since this patch.