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[RapidFire7]

Hexenhammer, on 10 November 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

This dead horse issue is so dead we've started beating Patrick.

man I haven't laughed this hard in ages...

[General Taskeen]

DirePhoenix, on 10 November 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

That Marauder was created for a fan-created mod, and not the actual retail MW4 btw.

And guess what MW4 also has from MekPak 3? The Assault Mech, Marauder II. Same look, same design of hitboxes.

MW4 also has a Dragon and when you hit the side of the part that sticks out, guess what you hit? Gasp! The Side Torso. Balanced hitboxes, oh my!

[verybad]

mwhighlander, on 11 November 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Answer to this question is...


If they decide to redesign the marauder, is it still actually the marauder?

Yes.

We (Me actually) change the legs on the Stalker from humanoid to chickenlegged (cause I liked the idea of the Stalker, but hated the legs). MWO stayed with that, nobody argues that the Stalker isn't the stalker any longer.

The Marauder would need to be changed, but it can be done enough so it's legal, but still have that Marauder "feel:" I'm 100% certain it can be done.

[DirePhoenix]

General Taskeen, on 11 November 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

And guess what MW4 also has from MekPak 3? The Assault Mech, Marauder II. Same look, same design of hitboxes.

MW4 also has a Dragon and when you hit the side of the part that sticks out, guess what you hit? Gasp! The Side Torso. Balanced hitboxes, oh my!

My point was not in regards as to whether or not the hitboxes work like you think they should, it was that the Marauder shown in that video and the Marauder II you're talking about were not made by Microsoft for the actual retail version of MW4. Those mechs were made for a fan created mod. Mektek did not make and is not selling MW4 (and wasn't even when that code went free), nor could they legally make any profit from their mods.

So "What MW4 had" in regards to the Marauder is incorrect, because MW4 didn't have anything in regards to the Marauder. Mektek's mod had that Marauder.

[Ngamok]

stjobe, on 09 November 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

No it's not. This is a Marauder:




Not really, no. It resembles a Marauder in some parts, but the torso is all wrong. Also, no offense to SS, but that thing is fugly.

The original Maurader is uglier IMO.

[Allen Ward]

Electron Junkie, on 09 November 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

I think we will eventually see a Marauder... We have a Jager which is basically the Rifleman which HG has dibs on still.

Jagermech is basically the Jagermech, I think It looks a little bit like the Rifleman when you load small quad ACs, but then, it still is not the Rifleman. I don't think that anybody would recognize the Battlemaster version of PGI as a Battlemaster if it wouldn't be called a Battlemaster. Actually they made a good new design, the original Battlemaster was stupid (that large windshield ha ha).

Ngamok, on 12 November 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

The original Maurader is uglier IMO.

And it is much to fragile. Those tiny limbs and joints would never take the amount of stress of a heavy mech.

General Taskeen, on 11 November 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

And guess what MW4 also has from MekPak 3? The Assault Mech, Marauder II. Same look, same design of hitboxes.

MW4 also has a Dragon and when you hit the side of the part that sticks out, guess what you hit? Gasp! The Side Torso. Balanced hitboxes, oh my!

you don't expect balanced hitboxes from PGI, do you?

[Ngamok]

Also, note that those arms are so low hanging people would complain. Of course PGI would have to raise them or people will be shooting at small stones in the ground.

[Finestaut]

verybad, on 11 November 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

The Marauder would need to be changed, but it can be done enough so it's legal, but still have that Marauder "feel:" I'm 100% certain it can be done.

The Marauder "feel" is actually what you can't copy. Anything reasonably recognizable as a Marauder is also recognizable as an Officer Pod, which would be infringing. Any of the Phoenix 'mechs would have been infringing, if not for new agreements with the license holders. The Reseen from the TRO were made with the blessing of HG, which they appear to have withdrawn, so those are out too.

Anything the players would accept as a Marauder, HG would also identify as a Pod. If you want to duplicate the Marauder without infringing, you need to look to something like the Cataphract.

[Vodrin Thales]

DarkDevilDancer, on 07 November 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

They can't because harmony gold will do what they always do they will sue pgi and win or lose it'll cost pgi a small fortune to go to court.

Just cross your fingers that their suing hasbro proves to be more than they can handle and they go bankrupt letting the rights revert to the original owners, then pgi could could make a similar deal for the mechs based on robotech.

The really screwy thing about this is that Harmony Gold does not even own the IP rights to Macross, just the distribution rights in the US. From what I understand things don't look good for their suit against Hasbro because of this.

[Dawnstealer]

So you're saying we're getting a Scorpion?

Vodrin Thales, on 12 November 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

The really screwy thing about this is that Harmony Gold does not even own the IP rights to Macross, just the distribution rights in the US. From what I understand things don't look good for their suit against Hasbro because of this.

Wait - but PGI/IGN is based in Canada. What are the laws up there?

Edited by Dawnstealer, 12 November 2013 - 01:21 PM.

[Ngamok]

Dawnstealer, on 12 November 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

So you're saying we're getting a Scorpion?



Wait - but PGI/IGN is based in Canada. What are the laws up there?

Harmony Gold issued cease and desist orders against sites displaying images and trailers from the video game MechWarrior Online.^[2] The company claims that the images portray ’mechs that they own the rights to, according to a legal settlement from 1996.^[3]
In addition, Harmony Gold’s license for Macross came from Tatsunoko Production, but Japanese courts ruled that it was Studio Nue (creators of the series) that controls the Macross intellectual property. The license Tatsunoko was given was for international distribution outside Japan only, and does not allow them to control the intellectual property.

[Ngamok]

Also: This is interesting.

http://kotaku.com/59...nearly-15-years

[Mad Strike]

Allen Ward, on 09 November 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

Why are you still asking for stock mechs that we can never have? The problems around the Unseen have been explained long time ago, several companies suffered alot from these patent right fights, PGI will not burn themselves on this.

Anyway, what would you do if you had your Warhammer or Marauder in MWO? Right, strip it off it's original loadout and do some weird super-duper ultra high damage weapon thing to it. The flair of these wonderful mechs from Battletech came from name, design and weapon loadout (which was awesome for BT but only medicore in MWO). No original Warhammer loadout would impress other heavy or assault mech in MWO anymore. Even Mediums can carry twin PPCs, a SRM6 as a backup is almost nothing. MWO is so far away from the original game that you surely can survive and enjoy without getting all Unseen to play. I run the Battlemaster in stock loadout - it's stupid, I could do much more damage with other possible loadouts, but I wanted that original Battlemaster (even if the design would not be original). And it sucks playing it. As much as it sucks that it sucks playing original canon BT stock loadouts, but it's MWO, not BT.

So forget what you have learned in Battletech and learn to enjoy playing MWO (although some other issues make this hard sometimes).

How can a battlemaste Stock loadout suck ??? :S ; might depend on the pilot because i kick *** with my stock weaponry BTL-1G. Just try again and remember medium lasers are primary the rest is backup.

[The Silent Protagonist]

OK, I want to give my two pence on this. I, like a few others, really don't like the original design. Here's why:

• Those legs! Just look at those hideous disproportioned legs! How would those even work? The lower leg is far too long and those joints would just snap. Also, see the next point:
  
• Those arms! Why the hell do they hang so low? they're so feeble looking! They're not the reserved thin elegance some lights have, they just look like they'd snap right off in a stiff breeze! In relevance to the previous point they would interfere horribly with the ridiculous walking motion those legs would require to function! You'd be unable to have torso twisted whilst moving forward or arms across the torso because they'd collide and trip the mech!
  
• The torso! It's so tiny! Plus, what's with the A10 Thunderbolt engines strapped to the side torsos? The mech's bipedal not jet-powered!
  
• That torso gun! Why must it always be pointing to the sky? Is it articulated? Not according to the TRO, there's no actuators in the torso! We shooting planes down with ACs now?
  
• That cockpit! Nowhere near big enough for my e-peen!

In my opinion, this version of the MAD is WAY better:

• dem legs!
  
• dem arms (dem 80s shoulderpads!)
  
• dat crazy-*** torso!
  
• dat forward-facing AC!
  
• I could just about squeeze my e-peen in that cockpit!

[verybad]

The original Maauder is much better artwork than the reseen versions. In terms of functionality, yeah the reseen might make more sense, they don't look better however.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

verybad, on 13 November 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

The original Maauder is much better artwork than the reseen versions. In terms of functionality, yeah the reseen might make more sense, they don't look better however.

Its always opinion, and the fact of the matter is those who want the Marauder the most are those who want the original.

You can't have it both way, you either please those who want to see it in game in some disfigured form or another, or please those who want the original unchanged.

Bottom line is, it won't make a return in this game.

Edited by mwhighlander, 13 November 2013 - 09:17 PM.

[Toast001]

hey maybe this thread will get us a marauder!!!

[Randalf Yorgen]

you guys ever check out the rest of the forums?

http://mwomercs.com/...l-entry-voting/


Check these out and get to voting for the one you would like to see ingame.

[Phelantau]

I understand how hardcore marauder fans feel about having a macross style design, but i for one would really love to see what the developers could come up with. Lets be honest anyone who can turn the centurion from that tall skinny stringbean into that rugged ******* that I love deserves a chance from me.

Edited by Phelantau, 16 November 2013 - 08:21 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

DirePhoenix, on 09 November 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

This was published last year. By Catalyst. What's that on the cover? OH MY GODS IT'S A MARAUDER!!!


Art by Shimmering Sword, no less.



Look familiar?

After the butchers job PGI's 3d modellers made of the battlemaster, and shadow hawk, and if they used this art, as a basis I hope we never see a marauder, I'm pretty sure the wolverine and griffin will be a big disapointment as well