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[TheMagician]

I have recently started calculating Elo scores for teams based on results in competitions. Currently, I am tracking results from Last Mech Standing, Marik Civil War, and Run Hot or Die. The results were tracked starting with the most recent seasons for each of these leagues. It was too difficult to go back and include old matches, also, much has changed since then (e.g. teams, players, addition of 12v12). Only leagues that have a 'best of' type of series, will be included.

The standings will still change heavily based on results, as many teams only have a few matches thus far. Also, not all teams have had a similar level of competition, thus it will take some time to even the playing field. My plan is to provide updated standings either weekly or every other week.

**The minimum games has changed to 3.**

**MWO Team Rankings:**

*Top 10:*
Steel Jaguar Gaming EU (1824) (+30) [+0] @%
Swords of Kentares (1750) (-20) [+0] $%
Steel Jaguar Gaming NA (1710) (-29) [+0] @$%
228th (1680) (+26) [+0] $
Frati Mazzolatori (1620) (+0) [+0] @
Blackstone Knights NA (1589) (+61) [+0] @$%
Wolf Spiders EU (1570) @
Blackstone Knights EU (1511) (+0) [+0] %
HHoD - Team 007 (1507) (+15) [-4] @%
Luna Wolves (1472) (-37) [-1] $


*Other teams (in order, rating not included):*
Varangian Guard of FRR [-4] @%
cReddit Expendables [-1] %
Russian Clan Wolf [-1] %
ACES (1455) (-111) [-4] $
Comstar Irregulars [-2] @%
QQ Mercs & Co. [-2] $%
The Remnant [-2] $%
Clan Jade Falcon [+0] $
Antares Scorpions NA [-3] @%
cReddit Cerberus [-3] %
Midnight Sons [-2] %
Russian Jade Falcon [-1] @%
Clan Star Adder [-1] %
The Blazing Aces [-4] $%
10th Skye Rangers [-2] %
Russian Death Legion [-1] %
ELH (Russia) [-1] %
Antares Scorpoins EU [-1] %
1st Skye Jaegers [-1] %
Clan WidowMaker [-1] %
Red Shadows [-1] %
BWC - ******** Company [-1] %
Clan Diamond Shark [-1] $
Steiner Lance Team [-1] %
Skye Rangers: SOD [-1] %

**Legend:**
@ -Last Mech Standing
$ - Marik Civil War
% - Run Hot or Die
(x) - Elo points change
[x] - Ranking change


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**Key Results from Previous Rankings:**

**Blackstone Knights NA** defeated Swords of Kentares (3-2) in Marik Civil War (No JJ/No PPC)
**Swords of Kentares** defeated Steel Jaguar NA (3-1) in Marik Civil War (no restrictions)
**Swords of Kentares** defeated Comstar Irregulars (3-0) in Run Hot or Die
**Blackstone Knights NA** defeated QQ Mercs & Co. (3-2) in Run Hot or Die
**Steel Jaguar NA** defeated cReddit Expendables (3-0) in Run Hot or Die
**HHoD - Team 007** defeated The Blazing Aces (3-1) in Run Hot or Die
**228th** defeated Luna Wolves (3-1) in Marik Civil War league (No ECM/No strks/No Lrms)
**Wolf Spiders EU** defeated Varangian Guard of FRR (2-0) in Last Mech Standing
**Steel Jaguar EU** defeated Frati Mazzolatori (2-0) in Last Mech Standing

[Appogee]

Looks interesting, but I'm not sure how exactly you're tracking 'Elo' scores. Can you explain further?

Edit: I just noticed you are a member of Steel Jaguar... who just happen to be leading the rankings. LOL, what are the odds?

Edited by Appogee, 14 November 2013 - 08:59 AM.

[warner2]

It would be good if you explained how you came up with the rating numbers. I presume it's based on more than win/loss otherwise it'd be a simpler number?

One day, with tournaments, community warfare, rankings, all integrated into the game, MWO could be awesome.

[White Panther]

Wins were taken for the 3 main leagues with "best out of" type matches. Proxis League is based on single drops a lot of the time. This ranking started from the most recent seasons (Season 2) in these 3 leagues. Its a good way to keep track of who the top teams are at the moment. I'm sure there are good teams not on the list that either don't compete or have disbanded which is unfortunate, but like the old saying goes "what have you done for me lately?

Appogee, on 14 November 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

Looks interesting, but I'm not sure how exactly you're tracking 'Elo' scores. Can you explain further?

Edit: I just noticed you are a member of Steel Jaguar... who just happen to be leading the rankings. LOL, what are the odds?

Well... we just so happen to win quite a few matches, so that's the odds for ya

[Mr D One]

Appogee, on 14 November 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

Looks interesting, but I'm not sure how exactly you're tracking 'Elo' scores. Can you explain further?

I have to agree, sounds like a great team ranking system from YOUR point of view. I don't agree personally.

[Troggy]

I would point out that Proxis is additionally problematic, as its rules try to encourage a more role-play based (organic) type of match, where tonnage asymmetries and the use of "cheap" mechs are potentially encouraged.

Even if it were a best-of format, it would still be impossible to calculate an Elo score (as Elo assumes an equal footing).

However, for people who are wondering how this is calculated, GFGI - Elo developed his methods ca. 60-70 years ago.

@ Magician,

What is the K-factor in your calculation? 30?
--
Troggy

[TheMagician]

I don't use Proxis because even though its now best of 3, teams will come at it with vastly different tonnages. Proxis players might want to develop their own rating system.

The rating system: http://www.garnergag...lp/systems.html

[Araara]

Appogee, on 14 November 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

Looks interesting, but I'm not sure how exactly you're tracking 'Elo' scores. Can you explain further?

Edit: I just noticed you are a member of Steel Jaguar... who just happen to be leading the rankings. LOL, what are the odds?

Careful with that statement. Steel Jaguar Gaming is known for its very competitive skills since closed beta and are the founders of the Run Hot or Die League, which is considered by most (and i daresay all) high tier mwo units as the premier tournament.

Most consider them the best MWO unit right now (myself included, even though we, the Swords of Kentares, rank pretty high already) because of their attitude towards competitive games, their discipline inside games and their dedication to practice.

Tread lightly friend, for you might not like your encounters with them in 12 vs 12 (they're great guys though!)

[Silent Hunter]

Yeah you can hear the curses on TS when we drop 12v12 against Steel Jaguars. Damn good competitive players! <o

[Appogee]

Araara, on 18 November 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Tread lightly friend, for you might not like your encounters with them in 12 vs 12 (they're great guys though!)

Well, I'll be shooting at them, and they'll be shooting at me.

Even though all of us are great guys, I doubt we'll do any less shooting as a result of a light-hearted comment in the MWO Forums.

Edited by Appogee, 18 November 2013 - 10:34 AM.

[Captain Terrific]

Everyone has their own opinions on who is a quality unit and where they may or may not rank. However, when its all said and done, its just an opinion. This ranking is merely compiled of the data at hand. So if a team is active and plays. They will be included in that data. Teams that choose not to compete will not be included in these rankings.

Is it the "be all, end all" of rankings? Not in the least. However, its the only thing we have to date. If someone has a better way to rate teams based on real data and real competitive play (not random 12v12). Please post your ideas or rankings. I'm sure the teams would like to see another perspective.

[MangoBogadog]

Appreciate the effort into recording the stats for this.

Would just point out that as the EU and NA teams really don't meet each other would it not be better to also have two separate lists as well as the combined one?

Also Inner Sphere Wars is a place that a lot of EU teams play in and has weight limits for matches, for EU results that would be a good one to include.

I do know my suggestions just mean extra work for you though

[Rubidiy]

TheMagician, on 18 November 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

I don't use Proxis because even though its now best of 3, teams will come at it with vastly different tonnages. Proxis players might want to develop their own rating system.

The rating system: http://www.garnergag...lp/systems.html

so why is this a problem? It is still a tournament. Teams are winning and loosing there. Isn't it your main criteria?

Edited by Rubidiy, 30 November 2013 - 01:48 PM.

[MangoBogadog]

Teams in proxis have differing goals. Pirates for example would prefer to get a few kills on expensive mechs than win battles. Clans would also want to go for kills even when a cap win is possible because they are rated on kills. Compare that to mercs who want to win at all costs.

In addition tonnage is rarely the same as you can bring what you want mostly.

[RamsoPanzer]

Oh nice, treachery counts towards the statistics? now i understand why are we so bad rated and others so high

Edited by RamsoPanzer, 01 December 2013 - 02:16 AM.

[VikingN1nja]

[VikingN1nja]

Araara, on 18 November 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Careful with that statement. Steel Jaguar Gaming is known for its very competitive skills since closed beta and are the founders of the Run Hot or Die League, which is considered by most (and i daresay all) high tier mwo units as the premier tournament.

Most consider them the best MWO unit right now (myself included, even though we, the Swords of Kentares, rank pretty high already) because of their attitude towards competitive games, their discipline inside games and their dedication to practice.

Tread lightly friend, for you might not like your encounters with them in 12 vs 12 (they're great guys though!)

Actually i think he should say how he got the rankings put together.

Edited by omegagun, 03 December 2013 - 03:13 PM.

[Mister Blastman]

Interesting. Keep these rankings updated please.

[VikingN1nja]

We need your formula Mathematician?

[-Muta-]

IMO worthless stats....


Nothing official, not valid.

okthxbye