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[B E E L Z E B U B]

THIS is the mech i was piloting when i fell in love with mechs as a kid.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rifleman

ive heard there are legal problems with it because it has been classified as tam-tam-tam: "THE UNSEEN"

but why cant PGI reintroduce it as: "THE RESEEN" ?

oh man i used to love this mech so much! time-line-wise its viable. it has maaaany variants to pick from and plus.. everybody loves ballistics mechs, just look how popular the jagermech is.. its in every match youll go into...


any supporters to this?

yes, i know there is already a thread about this, but it was old, from last year. and i want to bring awareness to this mech to the new and changing player base. so you can report this thread if you see it fit and we'll let the moderators decide on it. whatever the outcome, so be it.

I WANT THIS MECH IN MWO

[CDLord HHGD]

Post lawsuit, the Rifleman's replacement was the Jagermech. If they cannot put in the original Rifleman, then leave us with the Jagermech because most of the reseen designs are terribad.....

[Hans Von Lohman]

The Firebrand can be setup as a slightly better Rifleman (it is 5 tons heavier).

The only downside is the cockpit of a Jeager looks silly as a row of windows in the chest, but other than that the Jeagermech is an evil twin for the Rifleman, and the Firebrand hero has the exact same weapon hardpoint layout for a Rifleman.

[Escef]

cdlord, on 19 November 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

Post lawsuit, the Rifleman's replacement was the Jagermech. If they cannot put in the original Rifleman, then leave us with the Jagermech because most of the reseen designs are terribad.....

The "lawsuit" was Harmony Gold stepping up to Playmates for ganking the Macross Destroids for use in their Exosquad franchise. HG had an in perpetuity license and they weren't about to let someone step on it. FASA (the then owners of Battletech) decided the right thing to do was not risk a lawsuit, they couldn't afford it, so they pulled all of the art the were using that was not done in-house (all of the art they licensed from Macross, Crusher Joe, Dougram, and the work that Victor Musical did for a handful of mechs in TRO 3055).

The Jager was in the original TRO 3025, just a few pages after the Rifleman. It was never meant to replace it, at least not at first. (Though in the fluff the Jager was meant to replace the Rifleman in its role as anti-aircraft support.)

[Hillslam]

The Jagermech of MWO looks nearly identical to a Rifleman anyway. And its 5 tons heavier which is an advantage.

[BlackIronTarkus]

The jaggermech is IDENTICAL. What are you complaining about?

[Escef]

BlackIronTarkus, on 19 November 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

The jaggermech is IDENTICAL. What are you complaining about?

Um, only the Firebrand can do the LL&AC5 combo in the arms. If he wants to fake the funk with a Jager he has to pay real world money for it.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Hans Von Lohman, on 19 November 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

The Firebrand can be setup as a slightly better Rifleman (it is 5 tons heavier).

It's not the same for some people. He wants a Rifleman and not a Firebrand Jager. Same thing for me with the Cat K2 and the Jager. I use a Cat K2 instead of a Jager (even though a Jager does ballistics better) because I like the Catapult and don't like the Jager. We play what mechs we like and we want what mechs we like, nothing wrong with that *shrug*.

[LauLiao]

Here we go again...

[Randalf Yorgen]

Escef, on 19 November 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

The "lawsuit" was Harmony Gold stepping up to Playmates for ganking the Macross Destroids for use in their Exosquad franchise. HG had an in perpetuity license and they weren't about to let someone step on it. FASA (the then owners of Battletech) decided the right thing to do was not risk a lawsuit, they couldn't afford it, so they pulled all of the art the were using that was not done in-house (all of the art they licensed from Macross, Crusher Joe, Dougram, and the work that Victor Musical did for a handful of mechs in TRO 3055).

The Jager was in the original TRO 3025, just a few pages after the Rifleman. It was never meant to replace it, at least not at first. (Though in the fluff the Jager was meant to replace the Rifleman in its role as anti-aircraft support.)

FASA never had the rights to use the unseen mechs, it was Weisman who had the ok to use the likenesses. Then one day the Board of Directors at FASA pulled a Gary Gygax on Weisman (Voted him out and got him dismissed) Unfortunately for FASA they didn't realize that once WEISMAN left they no longer had any rights to use those likenesses. SOMEONE told HG of this and it went to court. FASA lost the battle and went bankrupt as a result.

[GalaxyBluestar]

i'd love a rifflemen it's the jason straham as opposed to the jack black that is the jagermech.

saddly HG are ***** who won't negotiate anything about anybody else using anything even remotely related to IP that japanese courts have proven they shouldn't have had acquired anyways.

such is life in the inner sphere

Randalf Yorgen, on 19 November 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

FASA never had the rights to use the unseen mechs, it was Weisman who had the ok to use the likenesses. Then one day the Board of Directors at FASA pulled a Gary Gygax on Weisman (Voted him out and got him dismissed) Unfortunately for FASA they didn't realize that once WEISMAN left they no longer had any rights to use those likenesses. SOMEONE told HG of this and it went to court. FASA lost the battle and went bankrupt as a result.

many say Mechwarrior is dying because of PGI/IGP... some consider microsoft to screw over the franchise...

but this is when BT and MW actually died and has been a bit of a money making zombie franchise ever since

too small and troubled

which is why no big studios have built it up to it's proper potential ever, {PGI is small new foundling}

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 19 November 2013 - 04:03 PM.

[Escef]

Randalf Yorgen, on 19 November 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

FASA never had the rights to use the unseen mechs, it was Weisman who had the ok to use the likenesses. Then one day the Board of Directors at FASA pulled a Gary Gygax on Weisman (Voted him out and got him dismissed) Unfortunately for FASA they didn't realize that once WEISMAN left they no longer had any rights to use those likenesses. SOMEONE told HG of this and it went to court. FASA lost the battle and went bankrupt as a result.

This is actually the first time I've heard this particular tale. Have a source handy?

[Wrenchfarm]

Congrats, it sounds like the Jagermech has you covered. I totally get wanting to use your own particular mech, but the Jager is so close it would be silly to get the Rifleman in the game (let alone the legal hoops they would need to hurdle).

[BarHaid]

Wrenchfarm, on 19 November 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Congrats, it sounds like the Jagermech has you covered. I totally get wanting to use your own particular mech, but the Jager is so close it would be silly to get the Rifleman in the game (let alone the legal hoops they would need to hurdle).

Perhaps, but I don't like the feel of the Jagermech. My hope is that the Rifleman would handle differently. The view from the cockpit and arm placement can add up to quite the change IMHO. (Legal troubles be damned!)

[Riptor]

cdlord, on 19 November 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

Post lawsuit, the Rifleman's replacement was the Jagermech. If they cannot put in the original Rifleman, then leave us with the Jagermech because most of the reseen designs are terribad.....

Wich matters in a game with full customisation how?

Or are you reffering to aestheatics? Because in that case it boils down to preference and what you dont like i might like and vice versa. so not really an argument at all.