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[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 November 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Stop falling in love with me. You'll only embarrass yourself!

+1 if you know where the line comes from!

Mr. Universe, from Serenity.

[Trauglodyte]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 November 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Stop falling in love with me. You'll only embarrass yourself! +1 if you know where the line comes from!

That's kind of easy: "Serenity" by Mr. Universe

I'm planning on running the 5M with an ER Lrg, AC2, and 2 SSRM2s with a 340 XL (I have an extra 340 sitting in the Dragon that I'm about to sell off). I figure that 110kph with 3 JJs and decent fire power is enough to accomplish the original task of the SHD.



PS> Bishop! GD you!!! (Ripley from "Aliens" and me in real life atm)

Edited by Trauglodyte, 21 November 2013 - 07:55 AM.

[Nehkrosis]

no wat i meant was, could you crit a CASE off?
therefore, puttin CASE in would help pad??

[Amsro]

The 3 builds I use at this point, definitely not for everyone.

Gausshawk 5M
Dakkahawk 2H
Splathawk 2D2

They needed to be different enough from my Trebuchet's to be fun and new.

They work surprisingly well.

[Ngamok]

I've made each of my SHDs different because I don't want to get bored running them all with the same weapons. So for the 5M I did this:

SHD-5M

It's short range with the exception of the UAC/5. Very decent at the middle stage of the game when I can get the SRMs and Medium lasers to start chewing off the rest of the armor and internals off mechs. Runs cool and can zombie if needed. Of course you can put in an XL and go faster if you wish.

[Joseph Mallan]

Amsro, on 21 November 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

The 3 builds I use at this point, definitely not for everyone.

Gausshawk 5M
Dakkahawk 2H
Splathawk 2D2

They needed to be different enough from my Trebuchet's to be fun and new.

They work surprisingly well.

That 2D2 will be a monster once SRMs are fixed!

Ngamok, on 21 November 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

I've made each of my SHDs different because I don't want to get bored running them all with the same weapons. So for the 5M I did this:

SHD-5M

It's short range with the exception of the UAC/5. Very decent at the middle stage of the game when I can get the SRMs and Medium lasers to start chewing off the rest of the armor and internals off mechs. Runs cool and can zombie if needed. Of course you can put in an XL and go faster if you wish.

I am thinking along this line... I just on't like Ultras... Or more accurately, they don't like me

[MerryIguana]

My first attempt at a 5m used 2 LL. But i quickly found that big arm mounted weapons are kind of a liability when you have such amazing ballistic mounts. Switched it up to 2 ac5 2 ml and 1 srm 6 and havent touched its design since. Love it.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 November 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

That 2D2 will be a monster once SRMs are fixed!
I am thinking along this line... I just on't like Ultras... Or more accurately, they don't like me

the 2D2 is the only mech I use them on, save for a dual UAC Jager (packing 4 mG and 2 mediums as backup!) It does occasionally sabotage me, but I have a 5.0 KDr in it.

[AlmightyAeng]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 November 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

I had tonnage but space left!

Not a fan of Streaks, but I do like the build. I can see the reliability in it.

Joseph, he meant 'Why FF instead of Endo?' The first link you posted has FF but no Endo. You get MORE tonnage back from Endosteel than you do for FF for the exact same amount of slots.

[Bagheera]

Nehkrosis, on 21 November 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

no wat i meant was, could you crit a CASE off?
therefore, puttin CASE in would help pad??

Hypothetically, yes. But since we are talking about Shads you might as well just pad with your JJs.

Joseph Mallan, on 21 November 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Any other constructive suggestions?

Your first build has Ferro, but does not have Endo. Always use Endo first out of those two choices since both are 14 crits and Endo is better weight savings.

Only use Ferro if Endo is already installed, the build is near finished, you have >14 slots remaining, and the extra ton or so gives you a needed heat sink or brings you to near max or max armor. Generally speaking Ferro should be shunned, but there are several light builds and a few medium builds that benefit from it. That first build you posted isn't one of them.

Edited by Bagheera, 21 November 2013 - 08:21 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

I know that a lot of people like loading up with the ballistics on the SHD but I find that the barrel(s) take up a lot of visual space. Does that not just annoy you?

[Mercules]

Here is one of the things I use. I love this mech as an annoyance and support role. I frequently pull 400 damage from it. I am that annoying guy who starts plinking you from beyond sensor range. Sure it is only 2-2.5 damage out at those ranges but the suppression it does is golden. I can often get LRM mechs to find cover or stand just outside LL range and drive those guys back. ERLasers tend to tickle me back and I dodge ERPPCs while still maintaining fire.

SHD-5M

The mediums and streaks get used up close. Typically I am supporting a larger friend in this mech so I'll start of plinking then right before the actual brawl starts I'll catch up to my friend and fire past him on whatever target he is focussed on.

[MeiSooHaityu]

My Shad 2D2...

2 LLasers, 1 A/C2, 4 SSRM2s. It has 2 JJs, an XL265 and DHS and Endo. I do not remember the ammo distribution off of the top of my head.

Nice long range abilities with the A/C2 and LLasers. It has the Streaks to help deter light mechs.

It is a build I saw Sean Lang running, and I have been doing well with it as well. It is a bit hot (I THINK heat efficiency is 1.1), but It is pretty manageable (since you aren't often firing EVERYTHING at once).

[Joseph Mallan]

Bagheera, on 21 November 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

Hypothetically, yes. But since we are talking about Shads you might as well just pad with your JJs.



Your first build has Ferro, but does not have Endo. Always use Endo first out of those two choices since both are 14 crits and Endo is better weight savings.

Only use Ferro if Endo is already installed, the build is near finished, you have >14 slots remaining, and the extra ton or so gives you a needed heat sink or brings you to near max or max armor. Generally speaking Ferro should be shunned, but there are several light builds and a few medium builds that benefit from it. That first build you posted isn't one of them.

I had Endo before I had Ferro. I ran out of crits with tonnage left over. As an Old hand at this, FA is the better choice in this situation.

I just went back an reminded myself, that was when I had the LRM20 and UAC5... As it's built now... I do have room fr endo over FFA. My apologies for not double checking my engineering specs!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 21 November 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[NRP]

My current 5M build:

STD275
AC/20 (4T)
2 MLs
3 JJs
10 DHS, Endo, FF

Because an AC/20 doesn't lie.

Edited by NRP, 21 November 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

NRP, on 21 November 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

My current 5M build:

STD275
AC/20 (4T)
2 MLs
3 JJs
10 DHS, Endo, FF

Because an AC/20 doesn't lie.

No it does not!

[Davers]

I thought CASE could not be critted, so it doesn't actually pad anything?

[Bishop Steiner]

Trauglodyte, on 21 November 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

I know that a lot of people like loading up with the ballistics on the SHD but I find that the barrel(s) take up a lot of visual space. Does that not just annoy you?

nope. Because of the number of times I can shoot over a building and they can't shoot back, and the easy visual confirmation my barrel is clear. If it's in my frontal arc, and not behind cover it's in on my HUD anyhow. And I still get enough info from Seismic to fill in the blanks.

Joseph Mallan, on 21 November 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

No it does not!

such a waste of potential and versatility though.........
(of course, that is my opinion, nothing more. I feel even without JJs, my merry go round torso twisting Hunchy still fulfills that mission better.)

[FupDup]

Bagheera, on 21 November 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

---Generally speaking Ferro should be shunned, but there are several light builds and a few medium builds that benefit from it. That first build you posted isn't one of them.

I actually have a weirdo Thud build that has both Endo and FF (2 AC/2, 4 ML, 1 SRM2, 1 SRM4, 12 or 13 dubs). It doesn't perform too bad, surprisingly.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 21 November 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

I actually have a weirdo Thud build that has both Endo and FF (2 AC/2, 4 ML, 1 SRM2, 1 SRM4, 12 or 13 dubs). It doesn't perform too bad, surprisingly.

there are weird builds you end up with room for both. Usually on energy boats. But if it's one or the other, Ferro loses, every time, EXCEPT in those instances where on literally can't use the free tonnage from the Endo, due to crit limitations. Then on rare occasions I have stuffed FF on.