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[Sandpit]

WarZ, on 22 November 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

OMG I dont think I've seen a heavy showing of poptart exploiters STRATEGISTS show up in a thread like this so fast in a long time, ROFL.

Fixed that for you

Exploiter

[Prophetic]

If jump sniping wasn't OP then you wouldn't have anyone defending them because they would be using something else.

Guess what? 6-8 highlanders are the norm in 12s and several 4 mans drop in those exclusively. That should tell you something.
Granted some of these groups just can't aim anyway but the ones that can, will and do, completely skew matches in their favor.

Mech diversity needs to be encouraged. It is good for the game. Maybe a cbill bump for matches played with less popular variants could be implemented.

[Joseph Mallan]

3 hours of play last night in PUGs... 4 Pop Tarts...well 4 EFFECTIVE pop tarts. Maybe 12s is where the problem is.

[Damocles69]

Ahhh I see your ELO has finally risen to acceptable levels!!! Welcome to 733C/3D/Victor toaster strudel hell. Conform or be destroyed

Edited by Damocles69, 22 November 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[a little fluffy bunny]

I despise poptarts - come fight me face to face! But whatever, each to his own. It adds variety to the battlefield and a challenge in the form of necessitating a change up of tactics.


But can people please stop asking for nerfs when they have a bad game or two - we've lost a bunch of "distinctive" mech setups already, if it keeps up everyone will end up carrying medium lasers.

Half the attraction of this game for me was the very fact it was hard - you had to work for victory. There's still an element of that left although it's a shadow of what it used to be.

[kaffeangst]

Fix SRM hit detection/Host State Rewind. That's a solution.

[Mystere]

NautilusCommand, on 21 November 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

maybe if they made the JJ work like they did in TT and not just slightly lift off the ground but you know shoot you at a stupid speed into the air ...

Light pilots would love such a feature as it would provide a great boost to the "run" part of their "hit and run" tactics. But I fear everyone else would start endless QQs all the way to the high heavens.

[DaZur]

Livewyr, on 22 November 2013 - 02:56 AM, said:

mmm I like the blueberry ones myself...

I just started salivating... Pavlovs dog much?

[Mystere]

Victor Morson, on 21 November 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

More than a few fixes came from very uneducated tears of players like yourself. There's a reason they cut back on the shake and made it so pop tarting is still possible, but upped the skill ceiling a bit.

Ouch! Don't remind me of some very very unpleasant memories please. The original implementation of screen shake was the very first time a video game almost made me regurgitate lunch. I actually had to stop playing my JJ-equipped lights until the shake was toned down.

And because of that episode, I have reserved a very special place in Hell for anyone who complains about poptarters.

[Sandpit]

Prophetic, on 22 November 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

6-8 highlanders are the norm in 12s
That should tell you something.

it does tell me something.

12mans are going to be the min/max section of the community for the most part (nothing wrong with that in my opinion)
I don't have to worry about it since I don't play 12mans
You don't have to worry about unless you play 12 mans
The vast majority of the population never has to worry about it because they don't play 12 mans
Most of the threads like this and other balancing, nerf, op, etc. threads are from the 12 man community

You simply cannot balance the community for a small (judging by the threads I've seen VERY small) portion of the community.

[DaZur]

Sandpit, on 22 November 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

You simply cannot balance the community for a small (judging by the threads I've seen VERY small) portion of the community.

Sadly that same minority is also the most vocal and adamant segment of the community...

Reality is the bulk of the PUG playerbase are truly the silent majority or honestly never even visit the forums.

[VXJaeger]

Nowadays every time I see there nerfthis-nerfthat-whines, I want to smack whiner to it's face.
With an alligator.

[Almond Brown]

Mystere, on 21 November 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Another one of these threads? Is it open season on poptarts this week?

Not just any Poptarts this time though. This is a much more focused look at the AC/20 based Poptarts. LOL! AC/20 Poptarts. Next it will be the scourge of MWO, the "Dual AC/20" Poptarts. LOL!

[Charons Little Helper]

DaZur, on 22 November 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Sadly that same minority is also the most vocal and adamant segment of the community...

Reality is the bulk of the PUG playerbase are truly the silent majority or honestly never even visit the forums.

Maybe the silent majority should elect Nixon.

[Mister Blastman]

akpavker, on 21 November 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

good pilots aren't good pilots if they cant shoot a poptart down or flank?

It is hard to flank a Highlander-deathsquad if your team full of incompetent bads curl up into balls and rock back and forth in a corner hitting their heads against the wall while mumbling to themselves. You can't exactly save the world in a BJ-1.

[St4LkeRxF]

Mister Blastman, on 22 November 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

It is hard to flank a Highlander-deathsquad if your team full of incompetent bads curl up into balls and rock back and forth in a corner hitting their heads against the wall while mumbling to themselves. You can't exactly save the world in a BJ-1.

BJ is good mech but you are correct that you can't save the world with it when you get gang you described.

[Prophetic]

Sandpit, on 22 November 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

You simply cannot balance the community for a small (judging by the threads I've seen VERY small) portion of the community.

So the vast majority of the community is not running JJ variants with PPCs and ACs? Sorry but those are the most popular variants without question.
You can choose not to balance around them but keep in mind those are the individuals running around with a 70% plus win rate. I know I do.

[Doomstryke]

Here is the solution for you. Buy an airstrike, goes about 75-100 meters forward, point it at the ledge in front of them and watch your cursor flash. They are in big slow mechs, 2 or 3 of those and they are toast. 40 damage per shell, 10 shells, does good amount of damage and will make them scramble. If everyone on your team uses one then the pop tarts have no choice but to move cause they can't see the smoke and get chewed up

[Joseph Mallan]

Prophetic, on 22 November 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

So the vast majority of the community is not running JJ variants with PPCs and ACs? Sorry but those are the most popular variants without question.
You can choose not to balance around them but keep in mind those are the individuals running around with a 70% plus win rate. I know I do.

I run ONE Mech With Jump Jets on my Alt.

It has a PPC, Medium, SRM6 & SRM4. 75% win rate with it.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 22 November 2013 - 09:06 AM.

[Sandpit]

Prophetic, on 22 November 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

So the vast majority of the community is not running JJ variants with PPCs and ACs? Sorry but those are the most popular variants without question.
You can choose not to balance around them but keep in mind those are the individuals running around with a 70% plus win rate. I know I do.

I don't. Just because you run into the same players on a regular basis because they're in your ELO range doesn't mean a "vast majority"

I run one mech with an AC20 (my phract but I'm saving for a higlander) and I run one mech with PPCs (my Tbolt), the rest are a mix of energy and streaks for the most part depending on what I'm wanting to do with that mech