29 replies to this topic

[Hans Von Lohman]

Before we make a decision about favorites, I want to list what we can look up about the variants of the two on websites like TheWreckingCrew and StarGate. Just google search for things like Wolverin WVR-7K.

Also, I believe the pattern is to have 6 hardpoints per mech, but the other variants that PGI listed don't all have 6 weapons installed, so don't look at this list as accurate. They're probably going to have more hardpoints than this. Only the Griffin 1N and Wolverine 6R we actually know about.

Griffin:

GRF-1N = 3 energy in the RA, 3 missile in the RT, 7 jump jets
GRF-1S = 3 energy in the RA, 1 known missile, but now it is in the LT, 5 known jump jets
GRF-3M = 1 energy in the RA, 1 missile in the LT, and 1 energy in the LT, 5 known jump jets

Wolverine:

WVR-6R = 2 ballistic in the RA, 3 missile in the LT, and 1 energy in the head, 7 jump jets
WVR-6k = 3 energy in the RA, 1 missile in the LT, and 1 energy in the head, but no jump jets
WVR-7K = 2 energy in the RA, 1 missile in LT, 1 missile in the RT, and 1 energy in the head, 5 jump jets.

To me the Griffin 1N and 1S look almost the same, other than the fact the missile launcher moved to the other torso. The 1S has three lasers in the arm, so that won't change from the 1N, but who knows where the other 2 hardpoints will be, but I assume they're going to be missile hardpoints. Maybe both torsos, or all 3 in the left side?

The Griffin 3M looks a lot more interesting because it puts an energy in the left torso as well as the missile launcher. I hope it is mounted up high on the shoulder, but with the missile launcher on top I doubt it will be the case.

For the Wolverine I find it interesting that only the default 6R model has ballistics. The other two have energy weapons in the arm, and the 6K can't even jump. The 7K has twin missile launchers, one on either shoulder.

I think I will go with the Griffins myself, but well see.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 22 November 2013 - 01:00 AM.

[Carrioncrows]

Unless one of them has ECM (Hahahahahhahahhahaha......)

The Wolverine -6R takes the cake.

[John MatriX82]

Just by guessing from the artwork shape, I'd say the Griffin for sure. It reminds the actual shape of the Shadowhawk, hoping that it will share the same witdth and height.
If so, the 1N will be the chorus of death for the SplatCentA, because.. more armor, 1 more energy, the whole left side to tank damage and.. jumpjets capability. Also the SHD 2D2 can do similar things, but it misses artemis capability which is a bad thing.

Always guessing from the artwork, the Wolverine seems to be very bulky, imho it will be pretty easy to shoot, so no XL friendlyness (quite necessary when talking about using ballistics in a decent way), less tanking ability when using STDs. The only good thing if there is a variant that's AC 20-capable, if not it's a meh mech imho.

[Training Instructor]

Wolverine's energy and ballistic slots are going to be shooting a lot of dirt if you're not doing a lot of jumping.

[Samziel]

I don't like the phoenix Griffin. No matter if you have an Xl or not, you lose if your right torso gets destroyed.

[SgtMagor]

Griffin seems to be like a Treb, if you can mount an AC20 in the Wolv's arm watch out Hunter/killer on the way.

[John MatriX82]

Samziel, on 22 November 2013 - 04:10 AM, said:

I don't like the phoenix Griffin. No matter if you have an Xl or not, you lose if your right torso gets destroyed.

Usual business on Highlanders so you can risk the XL for extra speed and fade in/out or go STD and keep twisting to intake as dmg as possible with the LT/LA or even CT hoping for the 50% less dmg transfered if the side torso il already gone.

[Thorn Hallis]

SgtMagor, on 22 November 2013 - 04:35 AM, said:

Griffin seems to be like a Treb, if you can mount an AC20 in the Wolv's arm watch out Hunter/killer on the way.

That would be sweet indeed, but I don't expect that to happen.

My only hope is that the scaling of both 'Mechs won't be off. But then I look at the Shadow Hawk or Kintaro and my hope fades away...

[TercieI]

Thorn Hallis, on 22 November 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

That would be sweet indeed, but I don't expect that to happen.

My only hope is that the scaling of both 'Mechs won't be off. But then I look at the Shadow Hawk or Kintaro and my hope fades away...

Yeah, the Shadow Hawk's height really ruined it. <rolleyes>

Edited by Terciel1976, 22 November 2013 - 05:43 AM.

[Malleus011]

No AC/20 in the Wolverine, it has a right hand.

[FupDup]

The answer is Shadow Hawk.

[Maverick27]

I'm excited about the ballistic possibilities of the Wolverine 6R but so few energy worries me as does the presumed size of these med mechs (as already stated). I bought the sabre package though so I guess we'll see soon enough.

[Disapirro]

As a OSU Buckeye fan, definitely the 'Archie' Griffin. I just hate Wolverines. ; )

Edited by Disapirro, 22 November 2013 - 09:52 AM.

[DONTOR]

Hit boxes will decide.

[Accursed Richards]

All depends on the fickle whim of the scale and hitbox gods.

(seriously, PGI, mech models MATTER)

Edited by Accursed Richards, 22 November 2013 - 10:24 AM.

[TercieI]

Accursed Richards, on 22 November 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

All depends on the fickle whim of the scale and hitbox gods.

(seriously, PGI, mech models MATTER)

Which is why these conversations are almost totally meaningless to have in advance. The Shadow Hawk went from "too big DOA" to "HOLY CATS THIS THING ROCKS" in about three days of actually being in-game.

[Ngamok]

Carrioncrows, on 22 November 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

Unless one of them has ECM (Hahahahahhahahhahaha......)

The Wolverine -6R takes the cake.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GRF-2N The SLDF's Royal Griffin mounted an ER PPC, two SRM-6 launchers, and a Guardian ECM Suite. The heat-sinks were upgraded to doubles, and the ammo was protected by CASE. To fit all this, the armor was changed to Ferro-Fibrous and the chassis was Endo-Steel. BV (2.0) = 1606

[SgtMagor]

cant remember if the Dev's said they will not use any Royal mechs, or that they would. Anyway, Griffin 2N would probably not be selected.

[Finn McShae]

Well, I assume at least 1 WVR will get ballistics (I'm guessing we won't get the 7M unless MASC is out, but I'd like to run one since UACs don't suck in MWO). So the Wolverine will win under current meta.

Also, energy/missile loads just don't get the love in this game since LRMs are difficult to get good use out of if you aren't boating. Some day I'd love to see balanced builds be considered "good". Some day.

[TercieI]

The variants are known:

WVR-6R/6K/7K
GRF-1N/1S/3M

I'm not a BT lore expert, but my understanding is that only the WVR-6R has ballistics of those variants.