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[Urdasein]

Hi.

I know how to deal with most of ennemy mechs... Where to shoot to disable / kill them.

But at this moment, i am having painful time with those pesky shadowhawks.

I need advices to kill / disable / **** off shadowhawk pilots.

I tried to aim the shoulder but it is much more difficult to hit than on thoses highlanders .

I also tried to shoot the legs... but sure it annoy the ennemy pilot... but meh it doesn't kill them as fast a i wish...

Have they a weak point i must know ? Or is it "normal" they "over" tank (like centurions) ?

Regards.

Edited by loupgaroupoilu, 26 November 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Aim at the ballistic in the torso. Works for me very well tbh.

[Rovertoo]

As far as I can tell, legging them works best. However, if you are in a light mech, I'd try to kill their rear side torso (whichever one holds more firepower). If they've got an XL, they die super quickly if you can land some pulse lasers in their rear ST, and if they've got a standard, they lose a ton of weaponry.

[Sowaka]

It looks like a lot of SH pilots remove a lot of leg armor, and I personally almost never get shot in the leg so I'm running at something like 32 armor in each leg. Shoot them out. It has always worked for me, and once one leg is down they're nearly out of the game.

[Urdasein]

Second tough: switching from my fun-but-not-that-powerfull jester to my AC40 firebrand help a lot.

Yeah legging them while in the air seems to **** them off a lot =)

Edited by loupgaroupoilu, 26 November 2013 - 08:07 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

I find a paired ac20 to the head does the job quite well, tyvm.

[Theodore Laservelt]

Legging them is a good idea. As a SH pilot myself, I know that my ballistic is a tempting target, so I armor it as much as I can. My arms are also pretty well armored because they do decent job of protecting the torsos. The CT is also well armored because its fairly prominent. This means the legs tend to be less armored to make up for all of that coverage. This is also a factor of the high ballistic, whose position means that most of the time I fire from low cover when I can help it.

[Tahribator]

They have considerable leg armor(52). Any decent Shadowhawk pilot will know that while jumpjetting,your legs tend to buffer damage and they will have full leg armor. This means without multiple mechs, it will be hard to get through them before you die.

They are in general hard to kill. They are narrow, their CT/ST's/arms are tucked into a small area and they have jumpjets which as I said helps them buffer damage with legs. This is one of the reasons why they are so popular, people feel "safe" in them compared to other mediums.

So what to do against them? I'd say tap the legs first and see if they're one of those "20 ARMOR IN LEGS CUZ NOBODY SHOOTS THE LEGS HURR DURR" people. If not, Shadowhawks have a huge CT. Try to shoot at the CT while they are facing you. Some people like entering staring contests with their preys. It will suck most of your damage in. This will be harder if they jumpjetting or twisting of course.

Another solution would be to get a high powered weapon like AC20 or Gauss, most mediums just don't have the armor stand multiple hits by those weapons. Two hits to the CT or the same leg will mean he'll be forced to flee or risk premature death.

Edited by Tahribator, 27 November 2013 - 03:11 AM.

[Samziel]

SHD-2D2 has stock armor of 20 in legs. You can always try to shoot the legs and hope they will blow up, but I wouldn't trust it too much. Left torso is a good way to go if it has a weapon in it. If it's a light hunter 2D2 shoot RT.

[LowSubmarino]

Don't know about your sh builds but I have 99,75 % armor on mine!

[MeiSooHaityu]

Sowaka, on 26 November 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

It looks like a lot of SH pilots remove a lot of leg armor, and I personally almost never get shot in the leg so I'm running at something like 32 armor in each leg. Shoot them out. It has always worked for me, and once one leg is down they're nearly out of the game.

Depends on the build for me, but I learned a while ago that leg armor should be at least over 40 points. I try as hard as I can to keep it that way.

Now I am actually more inclined to take armor from the head. I normally run 8 points in the head...never been headshotted. Only exception is the Catapult because the head is still a bit easier to hit.

[GRiPSViGiL]

More often than not they are running an XL engine. That is all you need to know.

[Ngamok]

Mine are all near max armor (like 1 off in each leg 51 / 52). But I only have 10 armor in rear torsos. So for me it's rear. others it's legs because I know people who have 43 / 52 in the legs.

[Trauglodyte]

Lukoi, on 26 November 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

Aim at the ballistic in the torso. Works for me very well tbh.

This. But, not for the reason that you think. If you hit the ballistic barrel(s) in the right spot, all damage goes to the rear torso. So, it is much easier to hose a Shadowhawk if you hit them in the upper left torso than you'd think.

[DONTOR]

Yesterday I was playing a match, and 8 mechs on my team fired at a shadowhawk point blank it took almost a freakin minute to kill, the pilot was doing a great job jump rolling damage, nearly every part of him was bright red he lost both arms and a leg before we took out a side torso. It reminded me of how I would plot and take damage in a victor. Needless to say I piloted shadowhawks the rest of the night after seeing that lol.

You cant bet on a shawk having low leg armor, its best to just focus on the ballistic torso and most of them will have an XL engine.

[Bishop Steiner]

GRiPSViGiL, on 27 November 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

More often than not they are running an XL engine. That is all you need to know.

Knowledge is only HALF the battle. I find people actually getting to my juicy tender little XL is a lot harder than trying to get to it.

I can't count the number of matches I was running around at the end, naked everywhere but my head and legs, and survived in that thing. I have never been able to spread damage so easily.

DONTOR, on 27 November 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

Yesterday I was playing a match, and 8 mechs on my team fired at a shadowhawk point blank it took almost a freakin minute to kill, the pilot was doing a great job jump rolling damage, nearly every part of him was bright red he lost both arms and a leg before we took out a side torso. It reminded me of how I would plot and take damage in a victor. Needless to say I piloted shadowhawks the rest of the night after seeing that lol.

You cant bet on a shawk having low leg armor, its best to just focus on the ballistic torso and most of them will have an XL engine.

It's another reason I don't run those extremo builds people seem to favor in this game. I have max armor, great firepower, good heat management and good mobility. My mech tanks damage in a way that makes an Atlas blush. Why mess with perfection?

[Diego Angelus]

If you are in light go for legs if you run medium and above go for CT/LT.

[Sandpit]

SHD-2D2

SHD-2D2

SHD-5M

not everyone skimps the armor on Shawks

I usually find taking out the torso is easiest way. It just depends on the build really on how I deal with them but more are short to medium range type designs so if you have ranged weapons taking them out at 700+ meters is always good

[zztophat]

I bought all three hawks, all of them are running XLs and near max armor. The most common way I die is getting a side torso blown up, sometimes people aim for the legs but those fights tend to end with me without a leg, and them dead.

I've also been headshot half a dozen times, not sure if big hitbox or just something people like to aim at.

[Deathlike]

Sowaka, on 26 November 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

It looks like a lot of SH pilots remove a lot of leg armor, and I personally almost never get shot in the leg so I'm running at something like 32 armor in each leg. Shoot them out. It has always worked for me, and once one leg is down they're nearly out of the game.

The leg armor is not usually skimped on due to them being rather long. Although I don't get legged often, it happens enough times and ammo explosions tend to follow...

The 2H is most vulnerable due to a severe ammo dependency by design. Ironically, it is also the Phoenix mech, so they are actually a terrible Phoenix candidate... but that's besides the point. Expect ammo explosions when you leg the 2H.