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[VIPER2207]

RickySpanish, on 27 November 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

... discover how a fat torso, slow speed and lack of jump jets and ballistics on an Assault is a severe handicap.

"slow speed" depends on the engine, and you can trust me, mine isn't really slow.
some of my best mechs in K/D and W/L are mechs without ballistics. Just because you can't handle them doesn't mean anyone else can't.
you are right for the torso, no discussion about that.

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You won't won't meet me, trust me. If you do, it means the matchmaker has screwed you and it's time to bend over.

dude, i lol'ed so hard on this

[Clydewinder]

VIPER2207, on 27 November 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

yeah.... no.

Nice score, Viper. I love putting up good damage in an Awesome, and I like seeing them do well. But as to my original point, do you think the hitbox adjustment made the mech better or worse? Because I contend that making the lesser armored parts of the torso larger is a BAD thing, not good.

After running through 7 or 8 rounds in the 9M yesterday, every time my mech was destroyed ( which was 3 or 4 times ) it was a side torso XL kill. Damage ranged from 250-550 with 0-3 kills per round. I switched to a Victor with similar sized engine for a single round and scored 4 kills and 800 damage in a mech that I haven't played for a very long time. The Awesome was always a difficult but fun mech to play, but I think the hitbox changes made it even less survivable in the poptart metagame that's happening right now.

[VIPER2207]

Clydewinder, on 27 November 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

Nice score, Viper.

thx =)

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as to my original point, do you think the hitbox adjustment made the mech better or worse?

to be honest, i think it didn't change too much. you will die much more often because of desctruction of a side torso now, but the CT takes less damage. Sure, you could prevent this by using a standard-engine, but i (for myself) consider a std-engine in an awesome as useless, especialy with the builds i run.
But i have the feeling, that i don't die as fast as before to poptarts, simply because not every shot hits your CT anymore.

edit: typo, if you find some more, feel free to keep them

Edited by VIPER2207, 27 November 2013 - 11:27 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

RickySpanish, on 27 November 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

I've seen more Awesomes, and always lament the fact when they're on my team. Why would I want an Awesome on my team when I could have a Victor? Or a Highlander? Or a D-DC? Or a Stalker? Or even a non ECM Atlas?

The poor Mech wasn't the greatest before the heat changes, all it does now is remain an eye-sore on the battlefield for a little bit longer.

Everything the Awesome does, other Assaults do better... Other than sucking. The Awesome is definitely quite good at that.

Seriously folks, don't run that chassis. Please.

*buys several awesomes*

[Ngamok]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 November 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

*buys several awesomes*

Buy me some, I am saving my C-Bills for whatever, dunno.

My alt account has an Awesome, was my first purchase after my cadet bonus was up. LRM boat though but does good.

[Bishop Steiner]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 27 November 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

Seriously? GTF over yourself. He doesn't have an obligation to build his mech a certain way for you. The only obligation he has is to try to play his best with what he's got to help the team win. If he wants to try some off-beat build, that's his prerogative. If it ended up being 3 on 1, where were you? Dead, obviously, along with the other 10 team members, which indicates the loss is as much their fault as the last guy standing.

Even if this guy had a RickySpanish approved build, do you think he would have been able to win the match? Likely not with it being 3 on 1. But hey, don't let reality pop your bubble of self importance!.... so many pompous clowns on here; unbelievable.

Well, in fairness, the build dictated the tactic. The problem is, that meant he left his team down a man during the majority of the match. Thus, his choice of build and tactics did directly contribute to the teams loss. Had he been a team player, in a mech that actually was useful, he could have supported the main thrust of the team, and possibly it would not have been 3 to 1 at the end.


I am all for running what works for the person. But most of these extreme builds really don't. But in this case, the build just revealed the selfish Statwhore nature of the pilot.

[RickySpanish]

I meet your Awesomes Bishop, and raise you a Pretty Baby! ... But lets fight quick before my PB has its ego dashed by some naughty Highlander

[StompingOnTanks]

The Awesome? Useless? You're kidding right?

I own an 8Q with 3 ERPPCs, a ML, and DHS, and it can turn Victors, Cataphracts, Shadow Hawks, Stalkers and Atlases (Atlai?) inside out as long as I don't get into a brawl-fest (which I didn't build it for in the first place).

One time on Alpine Peaks I was the last man on the entire right side of the map, with 5 enemy mechs (Heavies and Assaults) coming toward me. By popping over the ridge and chain firing my PPCs I was able to hold those 5 mechs off for the last three quarters of the entire match while my team capped. I ended the match with three kills and 598 damage.

Awesomes aren't weak, they're just more situational than most chassis and need extra practice to pilot.

[SgtMagor]

wants to buy lots of Awesome goodness.

[RickySpanish]

StompingOnTanks, on 27 November 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

Awesomes aren't weak, they're just more situational than most chassis and need extra practice to pilot.

They're definitely more situational and require more practice...

And that's all I got.

Had you been piloting any other Assault you would have flat out obliterated the dullards who thought that lumbering toward a PPC boat on a cold map was a clever way to try and win the game!

[Troggy]

RickySpanish, on 27 November 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

I was in a game with an idiot(seriously PGI, you censor even this?) who equipped his Cicada with 2 AC20s, and then sat on our base. At the end of the game, it was him vs 3 other Mechs. He killed the first one to find him and then was obliterated by the others who now knew where he was, what he was, the fact that he had no armour anywhere on his Mech and had a top speed of approximately 40kph.

Previous to this I called him out on the uselessness of his Mech design, and he told me "what business is it of yours what Mech I run?". Well, it IS my business, because YOU are running a useless Mech and have cost the other 11 players on your team the game!

Sure, you can bring a crappy chassis to a game, but your team mates certainly have the right to be annoyed by your seeming naivety (or arrogance) and willingness to basically be a detriment to the team.

RickySpanish, on 27 November 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

That's not to say that I don't occasionally run troll builds for kicks, the 9M is great for running The Rainbow Build, but when I then inevitably get reduced to a pile of rubble and people call me out on my stupidity, I have no recourse.

This makes you a jerk AND a hypocrite.
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Troggy

[Roadbeer]

This thread has done the impossible.

Here I was thinking I couldn't care less.

[RickySpanish]

Troggy, on 27 November 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

This makes you a jerk AND a hypocrite.
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Troggy

No it makes you incapable of reading! I said if you bring a gimp build to a game your team has every right to be annoyed at you. I then said that I occasionally do that, but that when I do and inevitably fail, I have no recourse and accept any anger directed toward me.

Are any of you guys planning on playing tonight? I might hop onto my alt account in hopes that the matchmaker puts us into the same game. I'll be running one of the trial Mechs, which would make me only slightly better than all of you put together, so it may be a fair match!

Oh to clarify, by "gimp build" I mean something that would still melt all of your faces, but would have trouble against someone who knows what they're doing.

Toodles :3

Edited by RickySpanish, 27 November 2013 - 01:07 PM.

[Roadbeer]

RickySpanish, on 27 November 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Are any of you guys planning on playing tonight? I might hop onto my alt account in hopes that the matchmaker puts us into the same game. I'll be running one of the trial Mechs, which would make me only slightly better than all of you put together, so it may be a fair match!

Lulz

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

And you expected better from PGI?

It needs to have lots of work done to make it viable. A modifier to negate Ghost Heat for 3 PPC's\ERPPC's\LL\LPL\ERLL to help it in the first place on the 9M and 8Q. Then it needs a Modifier to reduce the ghost heat issue on the Missiles. Then it needs larger engine, as in it needs to be able to have the 350 in all variants. The Torso twist needs to be increased and the tilt needs to be opened up more. This is all on top of really fixing the hit boxes.

So in closing I would say PGI should just respond with "As intended" and you should just accept the fact that PGI has doomed this game, then take a hard look at Star Citizen or some other game to get your hopes up again, maybe they won't get dashed some place else.

[Sephlock]

M4NTiC0R3X, on 27 November 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

You need to stretch that picture horizontally to make it more accurate.

[Roadbeer]

Werewolf486, on 27 November 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

So in closing I would say PGI should just respond with "As intended" and you should just accept the fact that PGI has doomed this game, then take a hard look at Star Citizen or some other game to get your hopes up again, maybe they won't get dashed some place else.

[VIPER2207]

RickySpanish, on 27 November 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

...I'll be running one of the trial Mechs, which would make me only slightly better than all of you put together...

[Bishop Steiner]

RickySpanish, on 27 November 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

No it makes you incapable of reading! I said if you bring a gimp build to a game your team has every right to be annoyed at you. I then said that I occasionally do that, but that when I do and inevitably fail, I have no recourse and accept any anger directed toward me.

Are any of you guys planning on playing tonight? I might hop onto my alt account in hopes that the matchmaker puts us into the same game. I'll be running one of the trial Mechs, which would make me only slightly better than all of you put together, so it may be a fair match!

Oh to clarify, by "gimp build" I mean something that would still melt all of your faces, but would have trouble against someone who knows what they're doing.

Toodles :3

Sorry my ELO doesn't go low enough for your poor pedestrian sdos to be graced by my presence. *sticks nose in the air*.

I am a self proclaimed pro-gamer after all.

[NRP]

I think the changes made the Awesome a tiny bit more durable, but in the end it's still an Awesome so ultimately nothing changed. The Awesome is clearly the worst Assault mech in the game. In fact, it's about middle of the road for a Heavy. So . . . yeah.