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[OneEyed Jack]

I'll give you that they should probably either reverse the c-bill nerf or make it up with new bonuses. But crying about how bad the grind is, is just the mewling of the pathetic "gimme-gimme-I-want-it-all-gimme" crowd.

The "grind" they keep whining about is actually pretty fricking light compared to... I dunno... anything that vaguely resebled an actual grind? A game like this requires advancement. It's what keeps people coming back.

"Gotta get this mech leveled."

"Oh, I really want that new mech that's coming out, better scrape up the space bucks!"

Without advancement, there's no incentive. Without incentive, people stop playing. Without people playing, there's no new players. Wither no one playing and no new players, there's no money. With no money, game goes bye-bye. If you speed advancement up too much, it goes so fast there's no feeling of accomplishment, and it might as well not have been there. I'm sure some people will try to deny it, but even subscription games have some kind of grind, because they HAVE to provide a way for people to generate that feeling of accomplishment, so they stay interested.

Does it apply to everyone? Hell no. There are also the spoiled brats that never feel like they should have to put forth any effort to get whatever they want. But those people sure as hell aren't going to keep PGI in business. If they were, they would have already activated premium time, bought Hero mechs, and would be making space bucks hand over fist instead of whining about how long it takes them to get {Scrap} for free.

Now, I'm not saying it's the best system ever done, but it's certainly not the worst, or even on the bad side of average.

And the "not everyone has all that free time" argument is total {Scrap}. If it's gonna take someone X games to buy a mech/weapon/module/whatever, then it doesn't matter if it's X games over the course of a weekend, week, month, or even year. They're still putting in the same amount of play time. What the hell do they need new {Scrap} for, if they've barely had a chance to play the old {Scrap}?

[Warrior UK]

omegagun, on 01 December 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

The grind is pretty hard now i think weapons and engines are too expensive, i think the cadets should get 50 games with the bonus so if they stack with premium can get 3 of the same chassis and kit them out.

Do not agree, we have a player in our ranks that found it a little frustrating when dropping with us and where he first started playing, seeing friends go out in mechs that he wanted just using trail mechs untill he had his first Jager and then went from there, four months and a bit later has mastered the Jagers and Stalkers, now working on others, in all the times I have dropped with him, I have seen him become a good competent player

The quickest way to get Cbils if you are new to the game is just speed drop in trail mechs, group up on any Ts (as above) as mentioned before in older posts, also about, any form of grinding Cbills, spectate if you wish or just end game when dead, jump in another trail mech and off you go.

Even if it's a mech that you dont like, play smart, learn about the mech, the game and tactics, after all, at the moment it's all about getting those Cbills for your first mech

Have fun grinding, we have all been there lol

[JettSett]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 December 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

I'm grown up and never thought of video games as a hobby but entertainment. I build boats as a hobby because sitting at a screen shooting big stompy robots is the furthest thing from being creative. Can't sail my computer to distant lands and check out the local color.

Nice hobby . My work is creative, so I kinda get that out of my system by default.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 December 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

Agreed, Don't mind dying if it was a good fight. Most are not though when its just group assassination. Been playing long enough I know a lot of the good pugs and sometimes we drop together at random. Its the best games ever. No comms but we all know what to do. I never mind sacrificing myself for the win in those conditions. There is discussion of building a team but 12 man only with no farming xp/cbills at the sake of pugs. Hope to put it together soon and see how all those matches add up.

Um... Those loses I mentioned. We lost 2-12 at best. we were mangled, mauled and spit out like a big dogs chew toy! As to 12 man... Hope your experience there is similar to mine. roughly 50% wins, Much as I have seen in PUG.

[MustrumRidcully]

JettSett, on 02 December 2013 - 04:57 AM, said:

Ah, gonna play that card? I'm pushing 50, been a gamer since the atari 2600 and arcades. I am in the midst of getting my own start up corp going, have a house, cars, teenager, and all that goes with it yet still can spend my free time playing instead of being a zombie on the couch in front of the tv like most others (read that as most everybody I know in RL, friends, family, etc) in the same situation do. Grown-Ups have time for a hobby. If you have no free time for yourself you should re-look at your situation as too much stress like that makes for a short life. I'm also certainly not using the fact that I have responsibilities as an excuse for not progressing quickly in a game to try and make the devs change it to suit my schedule.

I rather play this card then the lame "kids these days". That one was already old when Plato said it.

[Joseph Mallan]

MustrumRidcully, on 02 December 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

I rather play this card then the lame "kids these days". That one was already old when Plato said it.

An you and I should know right!

[Mudhutwarrior]

I never was into gaming till I got laid up. To much in life to waste time with games. Compared to most of the guys here I am a total noob to the gaming world. I say if your healthy get out and do something else and stop wasting life.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 December 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

I never was into gaming till I got laid up. To much in life to waste time with games. Compared to most of the guys here I am a total noob to the gaming world. I say if your healthy get out and do something else and stop wasting life.

Funny as I like to tell folks. Once you get married/have kids, Life as you know it is over. But LIFE has just begun.

[Bagheera]

Greyboots, on 02 December 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

EVERYONE thinks the point of the game is playing matches. Progression (cBills and XP) is just how you go further than just play whichever champion mechs are on offer at the time. No more, no less.

Obviously you, I, and many others do - but to say EVERYONE isn't quite accurate. This topic has come up repeatedly over the course of development, and there are always people who treat the game as some kind of "grind" where the end goal is collecting yes, FakeMoneyUnits, so they can Catch'EmAll as quickly as possible. I'm always surprised at the number of people in these threads who act as though playing matches is some sort of chore that must be accomplished in order to acquire <Shiny>. Sad really, if matches become a chore - take a break. The game is about the game, collecting is ancillary as is mechlab. I love me some mechlab, but that is hardly the point of the game.

I find the term 'grind' to be a bit silly in this context anyway. We're not being sent out by Bob The Drunken FishMonger to go defeat 11,000 inanimate opponents so we can collect 22,000 DrunkenFishWidgets for Bob. MMO's are a grind. MW:O might be a little stagnant at the moment, but it's not a grind game, in my opinion.

MustrumRidcully, on 02 December 2013 - 12:50 AM, said:

You could also make a ton of money with R&R, because the winnings and costs were put in a relatively neat spot where even losing badly could still earn you a bit of money. With Premium, that suddenly meant a lot of surplus.

Not to forget that quite a few deliberately maximized their profits by AFK farming and suiciding trial mechs. So yeah, it might have been grindy, if you didn't rely on the missile fairy and half-repairs done the system gave you for free, but if you did, you could make good money. You just had to avoid a lot of "trap" equipment- like XL Engines. but hey, a Fatlas doesn't need an XL Engine. (Though the armor repair cost where hefty.)

And yet people still bitched and moaned about it constantly - to the point where it was removed.

2 comments:

1. You didn't need any of the exploits to make a tidy profit. No missile fairy or half repairs here, and I thought the system was just fine. So did many others.

2. People who were AFK/Suicide farming are the kinds of tools who will try to find a way to do that no matter the system in question. Rather than catering to the lowest common denominator by removing the system they should have just closed the loop holes. But that would make the game "hard" I guess.

MustrumRidcully, on 02 December 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

I rather play this card then the lame "kids these days". That one was already old when Plato said it.

You should get a sense of humor, my use of that phrase was intended to be humorous, as the notation on it's context at the bottom of my post should have indicated.

Edited by Bagheera, 02 December 2013 - 07:19 AM.

[Blurry]

Scratx, on 01 December 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Grind isn't bad........ especially if you compare against similar games such as World of Tanks.

It is especially true when you consider that you can derp however much you want and you still get ahead. One bad match in WoT can set you back the earnings of multiple matches on the higher tiers.


So, what seems to be the problem exactly? Upgrading is expensive?

The grind is terrible even as a premium time player I quit the game. Here every match is a 12-2 stomp. where at the end you make a pittance. This is a pugs life. I would say the vast majority are pug non grouped players.
If thier experience is the same as mine well I understand why people dont play and why it is a grind.

At least WOT is fun and they value thier players not here no sir. WOT is far superior than this game.

They would rather you leave because of the grind then play just to squeeze a little extra out.

[MustrumRidcully]

Bagheera, on 02 December 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

You should get a sense of humor, my use of that phrase was intended to be humorous, as the notation on it's context at the bottom of my post should have indicated.

Sorry, when I see posts like this, I turn the autopilot on.

[Bagheera]

MustrumRidcully, on 02 December 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

Sorry, when I see posts like this, I turn the autopilot on.

My bad, I thought that was a jab at me, still processing my coffee.

[Blurry]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 December 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

Funny as I like to tell folks. Once you get married/have kids, Life as you know it is over. But LIFE has just begun.

Wrong again SIR.
It is over.
when you do get something right I shall rejoice!

MustrumRidcully, on 02 December 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

Sorry, when I see posts like this, I turn the autopilot on.

well they do need someone to grind against dont they?
It is the people who dont understand that would rather have only themselves to play with then see the issues.
After all they are so superior and without a doubt all those people who have left are wrong.

Somtimes it is qq but idots like these are really what stops real development of issues.
They would rather the game go under then let other people have fun.

[Joseph Mallan]

Blurry, on 02 December 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

Wrong again SIR.
It is over.
when you do get something right I shall rejoice!

Then why did I not die 20+ years ago? I have had so many milestones and memories made in my life since getting married and having kids that if I had to give them up to young and free again, I'd rather be dead! Your opinion is yours, but until you have walked in my shoes, You'll have no idea how wrong you are.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 December 2013 - 07:31 AM.

[Jon Gotham]

Blurry, on 02 December 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

The grind is terrible even as a premium time player I quit the game. Here every match is a 12-2 stomp. where at the end you make a pittance. This is a pugs life. I would say the vast majority are pug non grouped players.
If thier experience is the same as mine well I understand why people dont play and why it is a grind.

At least WOT is fun and they value thier players not here no sir. WOT is far superior than this game.

They would rather you leave because of the grind then play just to squeeze a little extra out.

If you hate it that much, why are you still here? People have put up actual numbers that frankly mash WoT/WT arguments-yet here you are still trolling away hating on MWO.
WoT grind is utterly horrific-I should know, I ground out 7 tier X tanks. As for fun? Same stomps happen there but in WOT it punishes you by taking money away from you.
Exactly the same happens in WT.

If you don't like MWO fine, good for you-but stop coming back to just whip up bad feelings.

[Joseph Mallan]

Blurry, on 02 December 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

well they do need someone to grind against dont they?
It is the people who dont understand that would rather have only themselves to play with then see the issues.
After all they are so superior and without a doubt all those people who have left are wrong.

Somtimes it is qq but idots like these are really what stops real development of issues.
They would rather the game go under then let other people have fun.

I would be prone to agree with you... IF we were actually playing the game. But since I am not under contract to the Lyran Commonwealth, assigned a planet to defend/attack or stare at longingly over candlelight. We are not even playing the game yet.

[Karl Streiger]

Said before - Grind is not a problem when you meet with nice guys on a TS server and play some rounds. You even forget to level your Mech or try to upgrade it further.

But when you are on your own - because time is limited....or you don't want to talk to anybody - there is only the Grind.... and thats the problem.

MWO is a 100% pure team game - but it does not encourage team play - without using 3rd party software.
An option would be a kind of last man standing - free for all DeathMatch - like in MWLL where you place your Mechs in a row...and fight in vs 23 other guys in a big arena.... when you got more "tickets" on your bill you can take a heavier Mech...or another...when fight is over - after 30min - you got your reward:
the 1st got more the last got hardly anything - only thing that count are kills

Oh I would hat such game mode - but at least it would be the only game mode i would play as a solo player. If i can't comunicate in a proper way with a team - and must fear that the other team won't have those short comings - its better not to be part of a team at all....


But hey - i know myself - I'm no team player -never was and never will be - (when you want things done, make it yourself - is my crest)

[MustrumRidcully]

kamiko kross, on 02 December 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

If you hate it that much, why are you still here? People have put up actual numbers that frankly mash WoT/WT arguments-yet here you are still trolling away hating on MWO.
WoT grind is utterly horrific-I should know, I ground out 7 tier X tanks. As for fun? Same stomps happen there but in WOT it punishes you by taking money away from you.
Exactly the same happens in WT.

If you don't like MWO fine, good for you-but stop coming back to just whip up bad feelings.

It's quite possible that the end result will be that I play MW:O just as much as I play World of Tanks.
Which is: Not At All.
I don't know if PGI needs or could make use of my money, but I know I can get good use of my money without giving it to PGI.

World of Tanks to me seems a big turn-off. Pay-To-Win ammo, excessive Grind, not being able to play my best mech/tank/toon because of repair cost? Sounds totally like not my game.

Unfortunately when MW:O was announced it still totally looked like my kind of game. Giant Stompy Robots. Role Warfare. Information Warfare. Community Warfare. Whoa, that's awesome, do I pay you in €, $ or just my soul?

[Suko]

Sable Dove, on 01 December 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

To be honest, if they made the gameplay a little more fun/interesting, you probably wouldn't hear as much about the grind.

This. For God's sake, THIS.

I don't mind a grind if the gameplay is fun and exciting enough to make it not feel like a constant grind. But right now, the lack of any kind of content that ISN'T about grinding to achieve it is minimal to non-existent. This game is all about the grind, and the grind is lame.

Edited by ShadowVFX, 02 December 2013 - 10:35 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

ShadowVFX, on 02 December 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

This. For God's sake, THIS.

I don't mind a grind if the gameplay is fun and exciting enough to make it not feel like a constant grind. But right now, the lack of any kind of content that ISN'T about grinding to achieve it is minimal to non-existent. This game is all about the grind, and the grind is lame.

But this isn't the game. It is only the combat mechanics of said game. As such it will get routine after so many drops, no matter how hard you try to fight it.