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[Acid Phase]

Sybreed, on 06 December 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yet another reason to call for hardpoint sizes, but you know, PGI...

I've been an advocate of this for so long. You remember when it was shot down by most members, and now I've been reading some new threads suggesting hardpoint restrictions.....

My reaction:

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Khobai, on 07 December 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

The trick is shooting them in their enormous side torsos because they ALWAYS have XL. One of the biggest problems with medium mechs, aside from scaling and lack of armor, is that theyre heavily punished by the tonnage curve on engines and are forced to use XL.

Actually Treb's are one of the few mediums I use an XL in. Most of my medium mech's are STD engine ( Centurion 9-A, Hunchie 4SP, Kintaro KTO 20, Shadowhawk 2D2 ), medium mechs are not forced into using XL, but there are alot of good builds with them for XL. The Treb's chassis just does better using XL with its hardpoint configurations imo.

[Sybreed]

Acid Phase, on 07 December 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

I've been an advocate of this for so long. You remember when it was shot down by most members, and now I've been reading some new threads suggesting hardpoint restrictions.....

My reaction:

I know right? Sounds like the wind turned...

[Harmatia]

Simple, there are more effective mechs for players to take that perform similarly. For example, I used to almost exclusively run Hunchbacks (my favourite of which is the 4P), but now I replaced most of them with Battlemasters. Bigger, more heavily armed and armoured, why would I not make that switch? Sure they're slower and bigger targets, but the trade-off is more than worth it. And it pains me to say that, because the Hunchback is still my favourite mech, I can just get better returns piloting a Battlemaster.

Until PGI does something to address weight/class balance, that likely won't change. Why would anyone mitigate their effectiveness?

[StompingOnTanks]

I play Trebs, Awesomes, a Raven 2X, a Cent and a BlackJack that isn't the Champion variant.

I must be some kind of MWO hipster.

[Appogee]

Have you checked down the back of the sofa?

[Red squirrel]

Hexenhammer, on 06 December 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Trench buckets are taking pity on the least favorite hero mech and keeping the Golden Boy company.




Why? Kintaro is 5 tons heavier and considered a better missile boat.

We might see it again (I havnt seen one in ages) when the tonnage limit is introduced.
But in general I see that the 55 tonners kill the 50 tonners.

Kintaro is a better missile boat than the Treb.
Shadowhawk is the better AC20 Hunchback
and with the Wolverine we will have a Cent with jump jets and more armor. just on less zombie laser HP.

Harmatia, on 08 December 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Simple, there are more effective mechs for players to take that perform similarly. For example, I used to almost exclusively run Hunchbacks (my favourite of which is the 4P), but now I replaced most of them with Battlemasters. Bigger, more heavily armed and armoured, why would I not make that switch? Sure they're slower and bigger targets, but the trade-off is more than worth it. And it pains me to say that, because the Hunchback is still my favourite mech, I can just get better returns piloting a Battlemaster.

Until PGI does something to address weight/class balance, that likely won't change. Why would anyone mitigate their effectiveness?

I dont think that Battlemaster and Hunchback are direct competitors. The Hunchback brings so much more maneuverability and speed. As I posted above I think the real death of the 50 ton mechs are the 55 ton mechs.
They have more armor and all have jump jets with similar HPs.

Edited by Red squirrel, 08 December 2013 - 01:37 PM.

[Harmatia]

Red squirrel, on 08 December 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

We might see it again (I havnt seen one in ages) when the tonnage limit is introduced.
But in general I see that the 55 tonners kill the 50 tonners.

Kintaro is a better missile boat than the Treb.
Shadowhawk is the better AC20 Hunchback
and with the Wolverine we will have a Cent with jump jets and more armor. just on less zombie laser HP.



I dont think that Battlemaster and Hunchback are direct competitors. The Hunchback brings so much more maneuverability and speed. As I posted above I think the real death of the 50 ton mechs are the 55 ton mechs.
They have more armor and all have jump jets with similar HPs.

What I meant was that I was able to largely replace my Hunchback 4P with a Battlemaster 1G.

[Heavenly Angel]

The 7k and 5n have essentially been replaced, but the 5j and 3c are still fairly unique and fun mechs. I think a lot of people get put off by their reputation but they can actually be quite fun and effective to drive. The 5j is the most mobile energy platform in the medium class whereas the 3c is the heaviest thing in the game that can move at light speeds and definitely has a lot of trolling potential. The engine is shared with victors too.

[Abivard]

the huge easy see, easy to hit mech that is the treb, RIP

[Joey Tankblaster]

Reading this topic and others about the treb I cleaned them from dust and gave them a ride. I still like them. Had a few games with 600+ damage on a K and 7m. Importantly, the treb is a real supportive mech to heavies and assaults. I doesn't stand so well on its own like the hawk or cent.

Actually I dont understand the whole discussion. When another mech is slightly superior, does it make the other one "bad"? I dont think that this is true.

The 7m is still a very good mech in a light hunter role (the hawk is a bit better). The 7k is nice with dual ac2s or an ac20.

[Edustaja]

The Treb-7K actually was a good counter to the zombie centurion.
Other than that the chassis is not all that great.

[DeadlyFred]

Spent most of the evening playing my 7K with a Gauss rifle and ML/MPL combo (mostly stock otherwise, I think), its a fun setup. I just can't hate that hokey little mech as much as I might try. Have to run something besides my SHawks because EVERY match is basically full of them and I can never stand to be a conformist... not better way to stand out than to bring a Treb to the fight

[Arctourus]

I like mine, and still drop in it. It's a 7M. I've run it with a lot of different builds, and have enjoyed them all. Great mech, but not the absolute best in the weight class. The people who like them run them. The people looking for the most optimal mech won't.

[DONTOR]

Your doing the Trebuchet wrong! Slap a 390 XL in it 4 medium lasers and 2 SSRMs and go stomp light mechs for days. All of my trebuchets are above 2.0 KD and I use them specifically for the purpose of light hunter. Aside from the #c and its 390XL the other variants have max engine sizes as well, 325 I believe.

Aside from the cicada its the fastest medium with alot more armor than anything else that can go the same speed. So it is unique and while the Cent 9D can also go 140KPH having to use 2 MGs that get shot off quickly makes it slightly inferior to the 140KPH treb.

[Red squirrel]

This thread made me play my Treb again.
I found that I really dislike it as an LRM boat.
So I switched to the K variant with 1ER-PPC and an AC10 + 320XL
runs a bit hot but is a nice mech for my playstyle.

[Graywar]

The Trebuchet is gone. Just like the Quickdraw and any Atlas variant that isn't a DDC.

However, I do play Trebuchets (and Quickdraws) and do rather well with them. I love my TBT-5J with 2 Large Lasers, 3 Medium Lasers and an XL325, it totally rocks.

[MonkeyCheese]

DONTOR, on 09 December 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Your doing the Trebuchet wrong! Slap a 390 XL in it 4 medium lasers and 2 SSRMs and go stomp light mechs for days. All of my trebuchets are above 2.0 KD and I use them specifically for the purpose of light hunter. Aside from the #c and its 390XL the other variants have max engine sizes as well, 325 I believe.

Aside from the cicada its the fastest medium with alot more armor than anything else that can go the same speed. So it is unique and while the Cent 9D can also go 140KPH having to use 2 MGs that get shot off quickly makes it slightly inferior to the 140KPH treb.

While I do like the idea in theory of a 140kph light hunting 3c Treb that has better arm mounted energy hardpoints for aiming at fast mechs I prefer my cent 9D for that and it seems they take the same engines.

My fast Cent9D http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4809f1b942bd685
And a 3c treb same speed/armor/weapons+2ml http://mwo.smurfy-ne...45bf6fd787531fa

• My cent 9d is already mastered.
  
• Its hitboxes are better.
  
• You can lose the mg arm and the shield arm and keep on trucking on a cent even with an xl where an armless 3c treb hunter would lose 3ml and one srm if both arms go and would be left with a single ml and one ssrm2.
  
• With 4 energy the treb runs so much hotter while the cent can shoot all day

The treb needs a unique bonus to lrms to be seen again in numbers I think.

[Deathlike]

TBH, the missile arm of the Treb would best benefit from missile doors (think Stalker). That would improve most of the Trebuchets durability a bit from getting its weapons shot off.

It wouldn't hurt to put it on the missile torso (and right arm of the 7K) as well.

Edited by Deathlike, 09 December 2013 - 06:39 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

StompingOnTanks, on 08 December 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

I play Trebs, Awesomes, a Raven 2X, a Cent and a BlackJack that isn't the Champion variant.

I must be some kind of MWO hipster.

Not really...you didn't mention Dragons.