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[Red squirrel]

Hi folks,


I fear that the 55 tonners are going to kill the 50 ton mechs.

Already, the Kintaro is the better missile boat than the Treb. And if you miss the jump jets why not take a Griffin
(Say when have you last seen a Trebuchet?)

The ShadowHawk is the better AC20 Hunchback

And soon this Wolverine or that Wolverine or another Wolverine will replace the Cent / Cent


Edit: So far only the HBK-4P seems to be unique.



please discuss, rant, or whine: now

Edited by Red squirrel, 08 December 2013 - 02:47 PM.

[zztophat]

55 ton master race FTW

Edited by zztophat, 08 December 2013 - 02:55 PM.

[Amsro]

Hmmmm interesting, can't wait to see the what the 60 tonners are going to do to the 55 tonners! Imagine the 65 tonners vs 60 tonners.

I'm a believer, I'm selling everything for that Atlas Win mech!

Wait Trebuchet's are missile boats?

[Kanatta Jing]

Amsro, on 08 December 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Wait Trebuchet's are missile boats?

Yes, Trebuchets are first and foremost LRM boats

[Red squirrel]

Amsro, on 08 December 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Hmmmm interesting, can't wait to see the what the 60 tonners are going to do to the 55 tonners! Imagine the 65 tonners vs 60 tonners.

I'm a believer, I'm selling everything for that Atlas Win mech!

Wait Trebuchet's are missile boats?

Mhh that's not the point.
The point is that the 55 tonners have hard points that allow for identical builds than the 50 tonners.
+same speed, sometimes even faster
+more armor
+jump jets


This problem does not exist in the same way for other weight classes.
e.g. Catapult and JagerMech are so differnet to Quickdraw and Dragon that a similar problem does not arise.
An Orion does not directly compete with a Cataphract. e.g. an AC20 CTF-3D has jump jets and is faster than a similar AC20 Orion build.

[The Mechromancer]

50 tonners are smaller (hunchie is at least)

Can twist better + smaller hitboxes = moar survivability

[East Indy]

Pilot skill matters more than five tons. That's a lesson we usually learn the hardest when we're on the receiving end.

Run what you want. Life's too short.

[Red squirrel]

East Indy, on 08 December 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Pilot skill matters more than five tons. That's a lesson we usually learn the hardest when we're on the receiving end.

Run what you want. Life's too short.

I read this argument in many threads and I think that it is a silly argument.
The better pilot will do even better in the better mech.
.OR.
If you place five morons in 5 Atlas a good pilot might just kill them all in his Locust.

[Alistair Winter]

People have been saying stuff like that for, what, a year and a half?

The white knights always rush in to say "Don't worry, this will all change when we get CW and weight-based matchmaking and dropships and and and..."

And I'm still waiting.

[Amsro]

Meh I still trebuchet and I don't LRM boat with it. Guess I'm not "MetaWarrior"!

[Lord Ikka]

I like both my AC20 Hunchbacks and Shadowhawks for different reasons. The Shadowhawk is faster and more mobile with the jumpjets, but the Hunchback feels like its more durable and a better Mech in close stituations. They're both good Mechs, I just use them in different ways.

[Amsro]

Kanatta Jing, on 08 December 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

Yes, Trebuchets are first and foremost LRM boats

2 missile hardpoints is hardly boating, LRM support mech is the term your looking for.

[MonkeyCheese]

Amsro, on 08 December 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

2 missile hardpoints is hardly boating, LRM support mech is the term your looking for.

Just wait, the Treb 7m might shine once the modular weapons pass comes and that 1 tube narc hardpoint can finally store a srm6 or a lrm15 just like the other 2 hardpoints.

[Red squirrel]

Amsro, on 08 December 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Meh I still trebuchet and I don't LRM boat with it. Guess I'm not "MetaWarrior"!

Amsro, on 08 December 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

2 missile hardpoints is hardly boating, LRM support mech is the term your looking for.

Using 2LRM15 on a Trebuchet has nothing to do with "MetaWarrior".
Actually, using the words "MetaWarrior" and Trebuchet in one post makes you seem odd.

MonkeyCheese, on 08 December 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Just wait, the Treb 7m might shine once the modular weapons pass comes and that 1 tube narc hardpoint can finally store a srm6 or a lrm15 just like the other 2 hardpoints.

Actually this will never happen as the "modular weapons pass" is merely an optical 'enhancement' and does not change the maximum amount of missile tube. Moreover, the Trebuchet hardly has the tonnage to fit another LRM launcher.


PS: 'enhancement' excplicitly excluding the Catapult.

[That Guy]

the hunchie when elited has a huge torso range and can actually shoot behind its self with its arms (assuming smurfy isnt lying to me).

but yes, this is a little concerning to me. i want the 50's to still have some statistical advantage over the 55s.

or better yet for meds to actually play more of a role in the game beyond "HARDMODE"

[MonkeyCheese]

Red squirrel, on 08 December 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

Actually this will never happen as the "modular weapons pass" is merely an optical 'enhancement' and does not change the maximum amount of missile tube. Moreover, the Trebuchet hardly has the tonnage to fit another LRM launcher.


PS: 'enhancement' excplicitly excluding the Catapult.

Wait I thought it did as thats why I assumed the "new" cat ears got extra tubes slapped on??????????

[GoManGo]

Mechromancer said=LOLOLOLOLOLOL= 50 tonners are smaller (hunchie is at least)

Can twist better + smaller hitboxes = moar survivability

I will say When closed beta started the Hunchback with the ac 20 was feared a good squad of them could clean up a battle pretty fast even stock/trial config only. But PGI with all there brilliance thought hey why not make the weapons so overpowered we can kill a mech in 1 alpha shot? The devs did not even consider that the weapons at the start of closed beta were pretty balanced.

But no they just could not keep there hands off the Over Powered Weapons button an as a result all mechs in MWO can be killed in 1-2 massive alpha blasts.

Edited by GoManGo, 08 December 2013 - 04:14 PM.

[Carrioncrows]

Honestly this will happen.

Specially in pugs.

People take the mechs that are best, and typically that is the highest of the weight class. 35,55,75,100.

However where a lot of the difference and where you will see a lot of these types of mechs will come back into the fold is for competitive play and weight limits.

You have 600 tons to make a 12 man out of, you are going to see all sorts of combinations, but for standard pugs. Naw, you'll typically see people taking the max of their weight class unless a mech is clearly better.

[Bishop Steiner]

Red squirrel, on 08 December 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Hi folks,


I fear that the 55 tonners are going to kill the 50 ton mechs.

Already, the Kintaro is the better missile boat than the Treb. And if you miss the jump jets why not take a Griffin
(Say when have you last seen a Trebuchet?)

The ShadowHawk is the better AC20 Hunchback

And soon this Wolverine or that Wolverine or another Wolverine will replace the Cent / Cent


Edit: So far only the HBK-4P seems to be unique.



please discuss, rant, or whine: now

Acutally, the SHAD and the HBK are very different AC20 mechs.

Believe it or not, the far superior agility of the HBK makes it a better back alley brawler (when elited it has no blind spot in th rear arc)-

[FupDup]

I for one welcome our new non-Highlander overlords.