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[Barratry]

How about sweetening the pot, especially the higher tiers, with some MC?

[Tirick Fire]

No more. Not for me. I've spent around $300, and while I don't regret what I have spent, it means I will look long and hard at whether or not I want to spend any more, and forking out $240 for the full package is just not for me.

I would be far, far more inclined if the package 'deal' matched the 'value' of the Phoenix set, in terms of # mechs / $ spent. The Phoenix + Sabre comes out at ~$6 per mech + a 90 days premium and items. This set is an even $10 per mech (we have been assured these mechs will not be 'better', just different after all, so while the hike?) and much much poorer extras (90 days after $150, without clearly defined rewards past that). This is just hiked up prices (for features not clearly spelled out) because you can. I don't know if the impetus is PGI or IGP, but in either case, this was a stupid move, and could very likely spell trouble for future investment from the community at large. I do, very much, like this game and I want it to be spectacular, but this is the wrong direction.

[BadOptics]

Not Bob, on 14 December 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

Sorry, I have to call you out on this.

Limited Availability does not have to be defined for us to see. Stores all around the globe use this term, in conjunction with "While Supplies Last". While the latter doesn't apply here, but the former just means, they aren't going to make it unlimited supply. They don't need to tell you how many they are releasing, they just need to tell you that it can run out.

When you see a TV add for a certain product, and it says "Hurry, order now! Limited Availability!" They don't say "We have 20,231 units in stock."

Also, this whole arguing about the gold mechs... DOESN'T MATTER! If you're not gonna buy it, why worry about it? If you are going to buy it, I'm glad that you have that much money to burn, lol. I don't have the money, or the will to buy a Gold plated mech.

It is implied that physical goods have a finite amount, therefore yes, it would be silly to advertise a specific amount. In this case though it's not finite, therefore the phrase "limited availability" has no real meaning. How limited? 100? 1,000? 1,000,000? If you're going to advertise something digital in such a manner that it's "unique" or highly valuable, you better be putting an amount right next to it. Right now PGI has no REAL incentive to actually put a cap in. No company is just gonna say, "Well, we sold X amount of digital/non-physical items (which costs us nothing to produce resource wise) this month, can't take any more money!".

[On1m]

Not Bob, on 14 December 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

The reason they did this is because they know that one is incredibly popular, and if hey didn't put it like that, they'd sell a ton of $30 packages, and none of the $210. So it makes sense from a company standpoint, however unpopular it is with the playerbase. I don't like the idea myself, but its what we got, and they most likely won't recant.

Of course they did it for that reason. I'm looking at it as a volume business though. If you have $30 packages you could potentially sell lots more of those packages because the price point is lower and more people would be able to buy in at that price than at $210. I think you could get more people to buy the lower price point and make more money than they will at the higher price point.

[JDH4mm3r]

fccolhitman, on 13 December 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

GIVE US LOBBIES SO WE CAN PLAY 3RD PARTY LEAGUES< and a PIRATE SKIN PACK Santanders Assassin 4 life.
Fear The Kore!!!!!

great...and KORE makes an appearance......

[Waterhead]

As much as so many agree this cash grab with no sign of promised features is absurdly expensive, just watch.

As with the Phoenix silliness, 90% of these lost souls will be sporting Clan Forum titles, just wait, and PGI will again perceive this as our approval.

[Alabaster Black]

GrizzlyViking, on 13 December 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Maybe the $500.00 package includes PGI stock?

Indeed. For that price, I want some company shares. Not joking. In fact, if they went that route, they may actually sell a bunch.

[ShadowbaneX]

BadOptics, on 14 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

Right now PGI has no REAL incentive to actually put a cap in. No company is just gonna say, "Well, we sold X amount of digital/non-physical items (which costs us nothing to produce resource wise) this month, can't take any more money!".

Other than, you know, disobeying the law and getting sued/arrested for false advertising.

[Not Bob]

Razor Kotovsky, on 14 December 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Hey man, noone's hating you. Because you are the victim here.

Maybe if you spend another year looking into their mouths you will figure out PGI's game.

Pretty sure that is what you were doing.

I've figured out their game, its called a business. Its not just a game, or a hobby for them. They still need to make money to make everything work. There will be no perfect game, there will be no perfect developer. They wolrd does not reveal around good feelings or good intentions, or how many "likes" or happy comments. Its about the bottom line.


So, take a look at developers in general, and see how they do things. Nothing is truly free. That goes with updates and promises.

[Butane9000]

Burke IV, on 14 December 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

I know, im not even really sure what that means.

What it means is. When they make an announcement like this they need to fill out all the information. Not leave some of it vague. They also don't need to do it right at the end of the work week where they go home for the weekend and let the forums stew, debate and rage over the announcement. Then come back and say "Oh we're surprised the community took it this way". They said it themselves that they'd do better at communication. This isn't doing better, this is exactly the same problem from before.

[Blurry]

stevemac, on 14 December 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Quote from a web posting on the clan machs..........

Another Unpopular Opinion: Golden ‘Mechs Are Awesome

Stop bitching about the $500 ‘mechs. Seriously. Make fun of them all you want, but whining about the price is the definition of missing the point. The crux of the ‘mech is that it’s ridiculously expensive and flashy. You’re getting something cool, rare, unique, and (debatably) functional in return for what is effectively a generous donation. Again, they’re not asking you to do anything – they’re just giving you an option.

Why pay $250,000 for a car when you could get a perfectly beastly one for $75,000? Why buy a garish, $10,000 handbag instead of a good-looking one from a thrift store? Why download this app? They’re status symbols. They’ve always existed and always will. They’re a way of saying, “Hey, I have money.” There’s no reason not to have them in MechWarrior: Online as long as it’s not pay-to-win.

If no one buys them, who cares? And if they do, who cares? Playing in one of those things will be an Insanity Wolf affair. It’s basically an expensive toy for your ‘mech bay and private matches, and there’s nothing wrong with that

Nope missed the barn door by a mile.

It will be the expectations of having them. The "special Modules" scream pay 2 win 100%. Give PGI $500 for a gold mech and they throw in 2 modules that no one else can ever get. And they must deliver for the price tag - that is how it works.
And what happens when the Ferrari breaks down - The tantrums and expected entitlement it brings because of what it is.

again missed the door by a mile. The expectations that need to be fulfilled with special mechs and loadouts are a huge issue and straight to p2w. It is far more than a color and a high price I promise. There must be a return on the investment for it to have value and they must provide that value or it will be considered a scam/fraud.

They jumped the shark right into the a bomb on this one. They dont provide value (perceived) then it is fraud or they do provide value and it is pay to win.

Either way game over.

Edited by Blurry, 14 December 2013 - 11:19 AM.

[Not Bob]

BadOptics, on 14 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

It is implied that physical goods have a finite amount, therefore yes, it would be silly to advertise a specific amount. In this case though it's not finite, therefore the phrase "limited availability" has no real meaning. How limited? 100? 1,000? 1,000,000? If you're going to advertise something digital in such a manner that it's "unique" or highly valuable, you better be putting an amount right next to it. Right now PGI has no REAL incentive to actually put a cap in. No company is just gonna say, "Well, we sold X amount of digital/non-physical items (which costs us nothing to produce resource wise) this month, can't take any more money!".

Its not that they can't take any more of out money, they sure want to, they want to keep the content rare, however many rare is in their eyes.

[Bolththrower]

GG PGI well played.. Now post them real prices.. What those are the real prices?!.... #notasingledime

[Not Bob]

Tirick Fire, on 14 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

No more. Not for me. I've spent around $300, and while I don't regret what I have spent, it means I will look long and hard at whether or not I want to spend any more, and forking out $240 for the full package is just not for me.

I would be far, far more inclined if the package 'deal' matched the 'value' of the Phoenix set, in terms of # mechs / $ spent. The Phoenix + Sabre comes out at ~$6 per mech + a 90 days premium and items. This set is an even $10 per mech (we have been assured these mechs will not be 'better', just different after all, so while the hike?) and much much poorer extras (90 days after $150, without clearly defined rewards past that). This is just hiked up prices (for features not clearly spelled out) because you can. I don't know if the impetus is PGI or IGP, but in either case, this was a stupid move, and could very likely spell trouble for future investment from the community at large. I do, very much, like this game and I want it to be spectacular, but this is the wrong direction.

No, everything included it comes out to 6.875 per mech. (Just counting number of Mechs, premium time, and mech bays)

[KharnZor]

Burke IV, on 14 December 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

I demand a separate cue for clan mechs

I demand a higher proportion per square inch of pepperoni on my pizza.
They want me to pay for it tho and i sooo love peperoni pizza.

[King Arthur IV]

page 38 and giving up by now, just gonna post more...

what would you do with $4000(the same $4000 to buy gold mechs.)

I would probably host a bbq for everyone involved in this thread. (byo alcohol, lets be real about this yo)

[sabujo]

Khobai, on 14 December 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

The problem is this:

1) $210 package isn't worth it because you have to buy content you dont want to get the content you do want.

2) blatantly worse deal than phoenix, which was $6.7 per mech (not $10 per mech).

3) completely lack of information regarding clan mechs, clan tech, and even the preview video has no clan mechs in it!

Of course there are not mechs in the video. The modelling hasn't begun yet. This wait is derived from the fact that Alex had to conceptualize and produce 8 mechs. Once that's done, the sale can begun.

I find you 1st point the most negative aspect of all this. As a medium pilot I bought the Phoenix Storm tier due mostly to the fact that I cannot spend more and getting the heavy/assault mechs would be a luxury for the use I would give them. The problem with this pack is that getting the Ryoken obligues one to buy unwanted stuff (not talking about the light tear - that is slightly reasonable).

[G S Tickle Stick]

Wow, the prices for the packs really jumped up. I don't think I will purchase them even if the UI and CW additions were added to the game.

[John Glenn]

Chronojam, on 14 December 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

Quote this if you're down.

I sing the ******** electric.

[Otto Cannon]

Roadbeer, on 14 December 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

Curious about how many people are complaining about the prices here who have spent around the same if not more on Star Citizen

I think the difference is the lack of a publisher with SC.

With a publisher the money goes in but only an absolute minimum is spent on the game in order to produce further income, the rest goes to profit. If the publisher thinks the game doesn't need a cool feature because the fans will still pay without it, the feature won't get added even if the dev team and players really want it in the game. It makes no difference how keen the devs are because the power lies with the publisher which is focused entirely on money.

Without the publisher the devs could still do the same if the boss is unscrupulous enough, but if he's a good guy and genuine fan of the game he's making he can use all the money to make the game as good as possible.

Chris Roberts has a good reputation for making good games. He's a fan of space games and wants to make the best game possible. There's no publisher forcing him to cut corners while taking money out for profits.

That's why people feel more confident giving him their money than PGI.