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[Gremlich Johns]

Burke IV, on 14 December 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Is that shopped or does it really say "owned"?

Yes, I think that player actually got "Owned"

[KharnZor]

Gremlich Johns, on 14 December 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Yes, I think that player actually got "Owned"

[SlavKatyusha]

Girth Fillmore, on 14 December 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

I don't understand the rage, really.
Ya, it's a lot of real money, but you're getting a bunch of mechs (with mechbays) and in the higher tiers, you're also getting premium time. Throw in some obscure fluff items as well, why not! The people that buy are the ones who want to support the game and companies monetarily. If you don't want to buy, don't buy.

I can laugh at the prices because I'm not going to be purchasing any of this stuff. I'm not mad that the packages are being offered. By the time the mechs are available for CBills, and assuming I'm still playing, I should have 250M or so to spend on whatever I want.

This a company and a game trying to remain a profitable business by offering their customers the option to purchase a product ahead of time. Sales like this allow them to operate in the F2P market and shows that they're looking at the game's long-term viability.

It's a video game, guys. Go outside, hug your loved ones and pets, and reflect on why you're so upset.

Founders, is one thing, the phoenix, some can call it an extended founders deal for those who missed it, or simply add that cherry on top of the founders cake, but this buisness model is a ripoff and a trademark of EA.

Releasing custom mechs as premium mechs is 1 thing, making these pack deals is overkill to everyone, specially when you double the price like that.

[anonymous black man 1]

yo russ, lemme share something

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[Victor Morson]

As pointed out repeatedly there should have been TWO packs, each consisting of a light, med, heavy, assault, not this linear upgrade path.

This is why the word "greed" gets thrown around.

The irony is that they could still charge $240 for both packs in this scenario and NOT **** so many people off.

Edited by Victor Morson, 14 December 2013 - 01:15 PM.

[Master Exploder 2k]

Tolkien, on 14 December 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Remember - if you're like me and you're a legendary founder and an overlord package backer there is an important lesson in this:

We are to blame for not having Community Warfare or UI2.0 or any of the other features we really wanted in by now.

Why do I blame myself and fellow 'OverGolds'?

Because they told us in June 2012 that we would have all the features in game by open beta except community warfare, and that would follow within 90 days. (Link here)

We were gullible enough to believe them and give them $120 for a game sight unseen. From this they learned a $5 million lesson that Mechwarrior fans are gullible optimists that believe anything. Even after going to open beta with nothing in, people kept giving them money.

By 90 days after open beta they failed to deliver on CW, they failed to deliver on the 1:1 timeline, they failed to deliver on role warfare, they failed to deliver on pilot levels, they failed to deliver on skill trees, they failed to deliver on information warfare, they failed to deliver on UI2.0, they failed to deliver on DX11.

But then in March 2013 150 days after open beta they announced that community warfare would be released in 3 phases up until late summer. (video link here of Bryan saying it would be all 3 phases in up to launch/late summer.)

Up until June they still hadn't delivered anything from the list above, but hey they released phoenix and us overgolds bought it to reward their lack of progress. They told us it would come with a ~30% loyalty point boost and some medallions that would boost it a further 2%.

As of August they stabbed us in the back eyes over 3pv after having literally promised


We should have paid attention at that point because PGI had clearly declared that they were going to change their position no matter what they had outright promised in the past if it suited them financially to do so. But gullible people like me who cancelled our phoenix packs bought them again when they took 3pv out of 12 mans as a 'good will gesture'.

Fast forward to 3 months after launch which is now 435 days after open beta they failed to deliver on CW, they failed to deliver on the 1:1 timeline, they failed to deliver on role warfare, they failed to deliver on pilot levels, they failed to deliver on skill trees, they failed to deliver on information warfare, they failed to deliver on UI2.0, they failed to deliver on DX11, they failed to deliver on loyalty points actually being in game, they failed to deliver on the phoenix badges.


Notice how they correctly interpreted our weakness and gullibility to mean that they don't have to deliver any of the content they promised to make or promised not to make?

We who have bought legendary founders packs and overlord packages are to blame for the state of the game. If you want them to actually implement the features you want, stop giving them money so they realize the have to follow through on past promises to get money. We tried the carrot, now we have to resort to the stick of starvation.



Remember: Giving them lots of money for nothing is the reason we still have none of the above (ok we do have the island we're on). We tried giving them money, now it's time to try holding out. If they die as a company it's not like they'll be really moving much slower than they are now.

I think you could still get a refund for overlord.
They failed to deliver phoenix badges - you didn't get what you paid for - that's a good enough reason to get a refund.

Edited by Master Exploder 2k, 14 December 2013 - 01:16 PM.

[KharnZor]

I think i could accept the pricing on the package deals if we had more than we do now such as UI2.0 CW etc etc.
Gold mechs for 500 tho..no.

[Victor Morson]

Master Exploder 2k, on 14 December 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

I think you could still get a refund for overlord.
They failed to deliver phoenix badges - you didn't get what you paid for - that's a good enough reason to get a refund.

I entirely agree.

I mean don't worry: If you dump it you can buy a Cbill Shadow Hawk and you have the only thing of value from the entire pack + Saber anyway.

[Starwulfe]

Cut the price in half and it's still too expensive.
Remember the days when a complete game was ~$60 and expansions ~$30?
Now you can get part of an expansion for $240!

[SlavKatyusha]

Starwulfe, on 14 December 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Cut the price in half and it's still too expensive.
Remember the days when a complete game was ~$60 and expansions ~$30?
Now you can get part of an expansion for $240!

Wait until they actually charge real money for ammo and repair your mechs on the next summer.

[BertyBargo]

Tolkien, on 14 December 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Remember - if you're like me and you're a legendary founder and an overlord package backer there is an important lesson in this:

We are to blame for not having Community Warfare or UI2.0 or any of the other features we really wanted in by now.

Why do I blame myself and fellow 'OverGolds'?

Because they told us in June 2012 that we would have all the features in game by open beta except community warfare, and that would follow within 90 days. (Link here)

We were gullible enough to believe them and give them $120 for a game sight unseen. From this they learned a $5 million lesson that Mechwarrior fans are gullible optimists that believe anything. Even after going to open beta with nothing in, people kept giving them money.

By 90 days after open beta they failed to deliver on CW, they failed to deliver on the 1:1 timeline, they failed to deliver on role warfare, they failed to deliver on pilot levels, they failed to deliver on skill trees, they failed to deliver on information warfare, they failed to deliver on UI2.0, they failed to deliver on DX11.

But then in March 2013 150 days after open beta they announced that community warfare would be released in 3 phases up until late summer. (video link here of Bryan saying it would be all 3 phases in up to launch/late summer.)

Up until June they still hadn't delivered anything from the list above, but hey they released phoenix and us overgolds bought it to reward their lack of progress. They told us it would come with a ~30% loyalty point boost and some medallions that would boost it a further 2%.

As of August they stabbed us in the back eyes over 3pv after having literally promised


We should have paid attention at that point because PGI had clearly declared that they were going to change their position no matter what they had outright promised in the past if it suited them financially to do so. But gullible people like me who cancelled our phoenix packs bought them again when they took 3pv out of 12 mans as a 'good will gesture'.

Fast forward to 3 months after launch which is now 435 days after open beta they failed to deliver on CW, they failed to deliver on the 1:1 timeline, they failed to deliver on role warfare, they failed to deliver on pilot levels, they failed to deliver on skill trees, they failed to deliver on information warfare, they failed to deliver on UI2.0, they failed to deliver on DX11, they failed to deliver on loyalty points actually being in game, they failed to deliver on the phoenix badges.


Notice how they correctly interpreted our weakness and gullibility to mean that they don't have to deliver any of the content they promised to make or promised not to make?

We who have bought legendary founders packs and overlord packages are to blame for the state of the game. If you want them to actually implement the features you want, stop giving them money so they realize the have to follow through on past promises to get money. We tried the carrot, now we have to resort to the stick of starvation.



Remember: Giving them lots of money for nothing is the reason we still have none of the above (ok we do have the island we're on). We tried giving them money, now it's time to try holding out. If they die as a company it's not like they'll be really moving much slower than they are now.

Sorry boys. I think you may be too late.

[Victor Morson]

Starwulfe, on 14 December 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Cut the price in half and it's still too expensive.
Remember the days when a complete game was ~$60 and expansions ~$30?
Now you can get part of an expansion for $240!

The first time, people bought in because they wanted to fund the project. The money was sent elsewhere.

The second time, people bought in because they wanted to fund CW. It was delayed and revealed to literally be nothing more than mock up MS Paints and Paul/Russ's mad ramblings with no basis in anything being developed.

The third time... well, fool me twice.

BertyBargo, on 14 December 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

Sorry boys. I think you may be too late.

I think we're at "It's Happening."

"You asked for this" was where we were at before this.

Edited by Victor Morson, 14 December 2013 - 01:20 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Skoll, on 14 December 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2990010

I said I needed a citation that I was a Failtroll... seems to me that since I have you researching my posts and arguing with me rather than staying on topic...

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

[NullFox]

Wow, great artwork on the clan mechs!

That said, I am having a very hard time trying to articulate the level of indignation I feel over the price point of the Clan mech packs.

I would have accepted pricing on par with the Phoenixi+Saber packages, but this is just absolutely ridiculous. The Gold mechs just add insult to injury. What's next, top hat and monocle cockpit decorations for $750?

The little kid in me, who was so excited about piloting a Timber Wolf has gone away. You can keep your Clan Mechs. I only speak for myself, but you won't be getting a single penny more from me until you fix your pricing, and come out with more than just a shell of a game.

[Gremlich Johns]

Harman Smith, on 14 December 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

>People bitching about clan tech not being released ever since closed Beta
>Clans finally announced officially
>Prices at 10 bucks per mech seems fair, if not cheap
>Everyone suddenly baaaaws just because at first glance it's expensive
>Nobody's forced to buy jack. Or be mouthy about it.
God in heaven, people, do you lot even know what you want? First it sucks that clans aren't here yet, now it's such an affront? Ugh, makes me almost wish PGI wouldn't listen to us poor sods.

The people want a game to play, not a project on which continue to Beta test.


>It isn't Clan tech yet unless they tell us what the specs are. For now, they are just images that we can speculate about;
>The arrival of the clans in game (as more than just mechs) really has not been firmed up, just that the mechs will be delivered, whatever that means;
> the price is probably closer to $7 per mech;
> it isn't the package sticker shock, it's the lack of game in which to use the mechs;
> this is your only truly correct point.

[JDH4mm3r]

Chronojam, on 14 December 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

Quote this if you're down.

For some reason the image changed on a post i quoted from.... which this was the one i am quoting for. sheesh

[Aleksanteri Bekker]

Victor Morson, on 14 December 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

The Masakari is great with it's VERY iconic 4 ER PPC configuration. It's a good thing MW:O has no systems that make using that terrible, right?

Make the game stock-only and you can get rid of ghost heat since there will be very few boats. (Catapult and Warhawk, only). But as long as other mechs can mount 4+ ER PPC, then keep Ghost Heat. Boats are bad and boats are boring. They stagnate the meta and make the game uber-repetitive.

I've yet to see a better solution proposed. Increasing weight/criticals is not a viable solution because that'd also 'punish' anybody who wants to use just a single ER PPC (or 1 of any weapon).

Its hidden, not-documented, and not at all intuitive. I agree. But the actual mechanic is necessary to minimize the cheese. Even then it doesn't eliminate it completely, but its a step.

[8RoundsRapid]

I'll tell you this: I, for one, am extremely happy about this. Why? Because it means the end is near. Whatever few of you were left playing this sh!!tshow of a game are now probably done. And when those of you who are left leave, that means MWO dies. And once MWO dies, somebody else can get a crack at this, and hopefully do some justice to the IP, and not just jerk each other off all day about how great MWO is, and how things have never been better...

And one more thing. I blame all of you assnuggets who didn't listen months (12+) ago to people who said NOT to spend money hand over fist on this POS as it would only encourage PGI to retain the status quo and not improve a thing and to wait for PGI to prove this wasn't vaporware or a cash gab. I don't care about how much money you have, or how much enjoyment you get. It was stupid of you to drop the amount of money on this game that PGI was asking for, period.

PGI has never intended to make the BT/MW game everybody wanted. They never intended it. They got FlyingDebris on the team and decided they could just implement his utterly fantastic art into the game, and people would spend, spend, SPEND. They were mostly right. You were all scammed, but you were all warned, and you chose not to listen.

My only hope now is that most of you learned a valuable lesson about spending money on things that don't exist, and to evaluate how to spend your money a little better in the future. It's because of you that we have games and developers like PGI.

Think about it.

[P e n u m b r a]

The only community warfare in this game is going to be on the forums

[sabujo]

Starwulfe, on 14 December 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Cut the price in half and it's still too expensive.
Remember the days when a complete game was ~$60 and expansions ~$30?
Now you can get part of an expansion for $240!

A game costs $60 and you can always resell it when not needed (or keep it as a possible valuable collectible for your children). Today what's being bought isn't even yours to keep neither yours to decide when to stop playing (as they can stop getting you the service if the business goes south).

"The way of the future..."