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#6841 Whatzituyah

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:41 PM

View PostRG Notch, on 18 December 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Don't trouble yourself, you'll have months and months of the same old same old gameplay before we get the slightest bit of CW, so go buy something.


I meant as in do we actually need it? Personally I think having to repair and rearm with c-bills considering how many we already get is bad. So yeah community warfare would be a good idea but they have to rethink the repair and rearm then I would want it.

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#6842 SweetJackal

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:16 PM

View Postfocuspark, on 18 December 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

I read it, I feel important ;) I like your argument, but just for context and perspective I'd like to point to the US$900 Conquer Pack from Path of Exile, and to the US$10,000 Wing Commander Pack from StarCitizen. I'd also like to point out that StarCitizen isn't even playable yet; thus we have no idea of quality, balance, or developer responsiveness. PGI selling US$500 digital trophies actually isn't that bad.

For those who are willing to (and who can) purchase these things, great. The help fund a fairly fun game and I (we?) don't have to spend any (more) money on it to keep it going. Win-win if you ask me.


I don't believe StarCitizen is a relevant comparison as that is closer to a Founder's Pack or an incentive on Kickstarter being as there isn't a working product to show for the money.

As for Path Of Exile, that is an unusual high swing to the pricing. Most of what is in Path of Exile, to my knowledge, is more reasonable.

The existence of $500 Mechs that are nothing more than a trophy isn't a problem for me. What is a problem is that the Gold Mech, combined with high costing Hero Mechs, combined with the massive bloating structure of the Clans Collections shows a trend of this game getting more expensive.

It's already costing too much for what the digital goods offer, in my own books. Lacking in Value for how much money they ask for it.

If Mech Paintjobs were across every mech instead of limited to one chassis, then I would feel a lot more value for paintjobs and would be enticed to spend money on it, I would consider and weigh it.

If the Clans Collections let me pick and choose mechs then I would be more inclined to spend money on it as I wouldn't be paying for massive bloat. It would still be more expensive but I would be willing to that that little more for early access for just what I want and nothing more.

For a long time I've felt like I wouldn't be getting any value out of the Game if I spent money on it. So I'm not the type of person being targeted by their monitization. This means that I have less incentive and investment in the game and the nagging feeling that because of this I am not the type of player that this game is being designed around and reaching for.

In short, I just feel that a lot of things are flat out too expensive for what they offer. It's not that I cannot afford this, it's that I don't feel value out of what they are offering for how much it all costs. I don't need or want a Gold Mech, really, and I don't dismiss the people that do want it. Rather I am worried and concerned that the value of these digital goods will only get worse in the future, which is off putting for me.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:30 PM

Here's my 2 cents...

First off, as always, the concept arts for each of the mechs makes me drool in anticipation. The info on the proposed implementation of clan tech also makes me nervous, but we have a long 6 months to discuss and test out possible changes to balance out clan tech. Hopefully that will shift it from being OP and meta changing. But they will change the meta at least. Every new mech and new hero added to the game has the potential to change the game thus. Can't even imagine how 1 more ECM mech might aggravate things.

Financially, I don't have any problems with the tiers for buying the clan mechs. Because they are going to be more powerful than their IS counterparts is to be expected. Even if PGI 'nerfs' the tech so that the gains are marginal, they still will be gains. With 6 months to burn, I can easily see myself paying 40 or 60 bucks here and there to steadily advance up the tiers to the Masakari rank. The recent Command Chair post gives me hope that UI2.0 and CW are still on the way and coming. So I don't necessarily feel that they are being waylayed in the sake for another shameless moneygrab. Well, admittedly I don't think the FIRST half of this isn't a shameless moneygrab.

The SECOND half of the clan release is certainly shameless in it's attempt to offer something that all too few of the player base will be able to afford. At 500 dollars apiece, this is an excessive and almost insulting attempt to milk funds. Me personally? Only under the most IDEAL of circumstances could I even think about buying any of these. And no, I didn't have the winning numbers for the other night's mega millions either. And I'd be tempted as others might, in PKing any gold mechs I'd see, simply because it's a monumental waste of money at that exchange rate. 500 dollars for one shiny toy. And digital one at that.

I do think, however, that it would be more acceptable if the cost for the gold mechs were more in line with the current cost of the existing hero mechs. Plus say, 25%? Or maybe higher? Paying for the Gold Kit Fox as you spent on Heavy Metal doesn't seem TOO steep. This way you're still paying for something shiny, BUT you don't have to sell a kidney or lung in the process.
The only downside to a price cut on these ePeen statuettes is that whatever proposed quantities of each that PGI is offering would quickly evaporate. As while most of us would balk at paying 500 for a gold Timber Wolf, paying 100 to 120 for it isn't as hard on a person's wallet.

Mind you, this is only a suggestion/idea for the rate for the golden wang mechs. But I do feel the current asking price is too damn high.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:55 PM

View PostEcto Cooler, on 18 December 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

If this game fails then nobody will touch the BT license for many, many years to come.


I disagree.

Edited by Lindonius, 18 December 2013 - 07:56 PM.


#6845 Santos Villalobos

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:12 PM

I'm just worried about the release schedule of the C-Bill purchasable Clan Mechs, because if Project Phoenix is any indication of what's to come, I'll be waiting even more months beyond June 17th to play these Battlemechs, which is both a shame and a huge discouragement as far as my willingness to play the game right now. If all of the MC-bought Clan mechs launch in June, PGI should *really* not release the C-Bill variants on a one-by-one, month-by-month basis as they're doing now. Knowing that they have the assets to release but are simply withholding for money purposes would highly compel me to abandon the game entirely, especially after having waited so long.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:16 PM

View Postfocuspark, on 18 December 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

While I would not spend US$500 on a paint job, there are those who will and who are happy to do so. Should PGI not meet the market demand and supply this product to demanding consumers?


I am glad somebody finally brought this up. I was sick to death of having to pour though several pages of thread after thread of people demanding vastly overpriced metallic paint jobs for currently unavailable mechs before I got to the "nurf ppc moar" threads I was looking for...

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:50 PM

Why wait for the clans for your bling? ;)
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Edited by Tekadept, 18 December 2013 - 10:51 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:00 PM

View PostNaskoni, on 18 December 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:


I'll cut it short:

- you can only find it enjoyable only so long playing the same (rather bland) maps, doing the same thing. I got bored after a month or so (collectively)
- kudos for being there just as long and still being an optimist (I'd rather picture this as a type of diagnosis, but hey...)
- I paid 200$ and got practically nothing out of everything that was promised when I gave the money. INSTEAD I got blatant lies and treatment that implied I was a mentally ******** ***** with a bottomless credit card account. Since I cannot get neither my money back, nor the stuff I gave them for I choose to b!tch and b!tch I will. If you dont like it feel free to transfer 200$ to my PayPal account. I paid more than enough for the right to b!tch all I want, by the looks of it substantially more then you did, so *******...

***** away good sir. ***** away...

#6849 Chaldon

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:04 PM

CW > Clan Pack

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FAIL

1st post in this thread on page ~325 also = FAIL



#6850 Imperius

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:23 PM

View PostTrashforged, on 18 December 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

The thread makes me want to buy a gold mech. If i become rich that is. The reactions to observe.


Here ya go get your pop corn ;)

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#6851 Whatzituyah

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:25 PM

View PostImperius, on 18 December 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Here ya go get your pop corn ;)

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You didn't actually buy a gold timber wolf did you?

#6852 Imperius

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:36 PM

View PostWhatzituyah, on 18 December 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:


You didn't actually buy a gold timber wolf did you?


Yup I did and the top pack. I have my pop corn ready...

#6853 Whatzituyah

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:38 PM

View PostImperius, on 18 December 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

Yup I did and the top pack. I have my pop corn ready...


Well since your expecting it I am not giving you entertainment everyone else will entertain me! Except you and your boring popcorn! Ile make sure to post mine when I buy the top pack but the gold pack should make like a tree and leave.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:54 PM

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 12:25 AM

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#6856 Jun Watarase

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:46 AM

This is what the current playerbase thinks of $500 gold mechs.

Obviously most of the "i bought three! i bought ALL of them!" responses are people joking around (theres no way so many people bought $500 gold mechs after all).

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#6857 Naskoni

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:55 AM

View PostJun Watarase, on 19 December 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

This is what the current playerbase thinks of $500 gold mechs.

Obviously most of the "i bought three! i bought ALL of them!" responses are people joking around (theres no way so many people bought $500 gold mechs after all).

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"You should also get a braindead badge" seems to be my favourite so far ;)

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 03:33 AM

Perhaps this not the best apple to apple game comparison but I'm liking how Marvel Heroes is doing their playable hero sales.

They have a huge sale package on the next year's worth of heroes they are releasing Their advance package release which is up for presale at $130 with an estimate regular $425 value (granted the that each hero package typically runs $15-20'ish US$.. and $425 is slightly inflated with the inclusion of all the other digital goods) but essentially the presale should saves you around 30-50% per hero in the long run plus a bunch of virtual goods - Not to mention the sale was only announced this week and those people that buy before Dec 31st get an additional free hero package that is about to be released... talk about bundling for value https://www.marvelhe...g-advance-packs

Okay if you don't want to buy the package of all the Heroes or even the small team package, there's individual packages that you can buy. New Heroes typically come out once a month or longer. With new Heroes they do leaks as to who's coming out next a couple months in advance, followed by forums threads and information releases, videos, etc. There's also testing of them on the public servers ahead of release and the public test lets you try the hero out just before the pre-sale ends. Individual pre-sale on the individual hero's also carry a small discount on it (10'ish %) much less than the massive package but still a sale promoting their impending release.

Also people who pre-purchase don't get the hero earlier than others. Everyone gets the hero (or can get them) at the release date. So huge price breaks, lots of in-game usable virtual goods

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Translating some of this into MWO:

Lets start having specific mech packages (e.g. Shadow Hawk package) - You buy this package and you get all 3 mechs for either a slightly reduced priced or at the Best MC/$ ratio you have and toss in some extra virtual goods (artillery strikes, UAV's,etc, couple million C-bills and some premium time (3-7 days). Which i think is a great way to get people to use them more (and potential buy more of these things)

The giant pre-sale package is okay but it needs to offer a stronger discount value. Previous packs over the clan packs seemed to be better priced (Although we can assume only at this point that clan mechs will cost higher MC/c-bills than IS mechs) but at $30 per tier compared to Phoenix's $20/tier means that clan tech and mechs should have 50% higher in-game costs over IS.

But can we say clan stuff should have a much greater premium over IS when they are some what "balanced" for game play. Granted that clan mechs has some better omni point fitment over IS but IMHO doesn't demand a 50% higher premium, maybe 20%.

Really the only major selling points is to gain access to the clan mechs much earlier than their official roll out dates and pay for that access. While the extras included are nice we have no idea what some of them are nor their gameplay experience value. Again please also add some consumables, c-bills, and other items.

Since Community warfare is NOT coming out before you start rolling Clan Mechs out and since you are not enforcing clan mechs only with Clan affiliation then there is no reason to put so many Clan mechs out in a 8 mech package so soon and only to have them trickle them out for public consumption so slowly. I think it really demoralizing to have Masakari and Mad Cat running around while they are not general public purchasable for 6+ months,... end of 2014 / early 2015 (assuming you have a similar release time frame as the phoenix package)

If you like to reward pre-sale package people with earlier access to mech then give earlier access by about month or two ahead of time public sale release.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 03:50 AM

View PostImperius, on 18 December 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

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Lemme tell you a story. I play alot of F2P games. One of the ones I spend the most time playing is World of Tanks. On the China server they sell a Golden Type 59 AKA Type 59 G for about 300 bucks.. Not only it earns more credits it also earns more XP per battle. Do you know what happens if someone brings a T59 G into a battle? They always get Team Killed. Always.

If that happens here the Golden boys will be in a rough time.

Edited by capt bishop, 19 December 2013 - 03:52 AM.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 05:07 AM

PLEASE,let us pre-order individual mechs!

I only wanted the MadCat and Uller...





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