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[Geek Verve]

Naskoni, on 19 December 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

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The point of gold 'mech isn't to use them it's to own them. Sure you might take them out for fun, but our right the proletariat will kill one on sight out of seer jealousy despite the owner having subsidized the further ruination of the game they're currently playing.

Human nature being what it is, it does make me question the sanity of democracy at times...

There, I fixed that for you. No need to thank me, really.

Because the more cash these clowns receive, the longer this circus will continue and I'm of the opinion that better a horrible end than horror without end. I root for them to financially fail and the sooner that happens the better. There is no cure for this disease so I'd rather have the patient die a fast, rather than a slow death. This way somebody else can give it a try and make a Mechwarrior game - its pretty obvious these monkeys never will. Every day this company has anything to do with this game is a day too much.

I wish they would ban you right now on the basis of that threat (goodbye Founders stuff, goodbye Overlord stuff). Honestly, what possesses you to continue to play a game that drives you to behave like such a *********??

Grow up. Find a way to pass the time that doesn't trigger such hissy fits.

[Bilbo]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 19 December 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Are you seriously unable to figure this out? Funding a company who isn't living up to their promises is communicating that the company doesn't need to live up to their promises to continue receiving support. It's demonstrating that your loyalty to MWO or Battletech and/or the hope of promises being kept provides the same value as the actual promises being delivered.

There are one or two people who do still enjoy playing the game. I continue to fund the company because I continue to enjoy playing the game. When I no longer enjoy playing the game I will no longer fund the game.

[Whatzituyah]

Geek Verve, on 19 December 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

I wish they would ban you right now on the basis of that threat (goodbye Founders stuff, goodbye Overlord stuff). Honestly, what possesses you to continue to play a game that drives you to behave like such a *********??

Grow up. Find a way to pass the time that doesn't trigger such hissy fits.

Kinda a few days late there man this thread was born from all the panic the prices made.

[focuspark]

Ensaine, on 19 December 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

You are obviously young, or very inexperienced at life, and I'm not trying to be mean.

You're kind of late to the show vs. most of us. How to explain that sending these guys money is telling them YEP, everything is great. All bunnies and Ice Cream.

WE have heard all that {Scrap} before, and multiple times, and PGI swings and misses. Being late to the show, you haven't lived this enough yet.

How do you like the fact you bought your Phoenix Pack with PGI knowing they may be completely shutdown by 'mid 2015' yet didn't disclose this little tidbit? Would you have still bought it?

I'm sure quite a few would have. I would NOT have bought my Founder's, that is a sure thing, knowing they only had 2.5 years on the license.

So, their withholding that information, yet, taking your money, is ok with you? You're all good to go with that?

Not to mention this is Timeline #6, which overwrites Timeline 1-5. Hey, a miss here and there is acceptable.

The damn game isn't here yet. We have an online shopping cart, with a Mechwarrior sticker on it.

If dropping into a match, win or lose, and lather rinse repeat a thousand times is acceptable for you? Great.

To many of us, it sucks. It's boring. No personal progress, no sense of accomplishment.

Maybe this is too deep for you.

Insults always make for a good argument, bravo on being a troll.

That said, I'm old, I knew PGI's license was limited (Microsoft, for all their failings, are not stupid and would not sell an indefinite license to anyone) and yet I purchased anyways.

You seem really angry... about a video game. I'm thinking maybe you need some perspective. My argument is sound: PGI can sell what ever the like for as much as they like, if you don't see the value in the transaction don't take part: welcome to capitalism, this is how it works. If people don't purchase, PGI will adapt or die but it's not your call on if people purchase or not. It is quite possible you're on the wrong side of this argument and that where your rage come from.

My prediction, PGI will make bank on this sale. Come Clan launch day, they'll have sold thousands of starter packs - quite a few at the top end because everyone wants the Timberwolf. They have also so much of their stock of gold 'mechs (Timberwold likely selling out). Could they have generated more revenue with lower prices? Maybe, but they'd also have set a low cost precedent and that's not something you want to do. Starting at high prices then gradually lowering them until you optimize revenue is a sound strategy. Nobody really cares if you, personally, approve.

[CDLord HHGD]

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Insults always make for a good argument, bravo on being a troll.

That said, I'm old, I knew PGI's license was limited (Microsoft, for all their failings, are not stupid and would not sell an indefinite license to anyone) and yet I purchased anyways.

You seem really angry... about a video game. I'm thinking maybe you need some perspective. My argument is sound: PGI can sell what ever the like for as much as they like, if you don't see the value in the transaction don't take part: welcome to capitalism, this is how it works. If people don't purchase, PGI will adapt or die but it's not your call on if people purchase or not. It is quite possible you're on the wrong side of this argument and that where your rage come from.

My prediction, PGI will make bank on this sale. Come Clan launch day, they'll have sold thousands of starter packs - quite a few at the top end because everyone wants the Timberwolf. They have also so much of their stock of gold 'mechs (Timberwold likely selling out). Could they have generated more revenue with lower prices? Maybe, but they'd also have set a low cost precedent and that's not something you want to do. Starting at high prices then gradually lowering them until you optimize revenue is a sound strategy. Nobody really cares if you, personally, approve.

I wish I could afford (or be able to justify to the wife) to purchase a gold mech. I'll be purchasing my clan package on payday (only paid once per month). PGI has my support. It's just a game, chill. No one is forcing you to buy anything (especially Canadians ).

[Igorius]

cdlord, on 19 December 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

I wish I could afford (or be able to justify to the wife) to purchase a gold mech. I'll be purchasing my clan package on payday (only paid once per month). PGI has my support. It's just a game, chill. No one is forcing you to buy anything (especially Canadians ).

I think the general ire wasn't over the perception of being forced to buy a package, in order to get Clan 'Mechs/tech. The anger was over how much of a naked cash grab it felt like, especially in the face of yet another road map full of, to use an old MWO chestnut, "90 days" promises. In that respect, there still is a lot of unaddressed anger within the community.

[Naskoni]

Geek Verve, on 19 December 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

I wish they would ban you right now on the basis of that threat (goodbye Founders stuff, goodbye Overlord stuff). Honestly, what possesses you to continue to play a game that drives you to behave like such a *********??

Grow up. Find a way to pass the time that doesn't trigger such hissy fits.

It is completely beyond me what makes you think I still play this game... I'm still waiting for them to make the game they promised so I can actually play it. Oh, wait, I'm not... That would be me playing in "Waiting for Godot".

[CDLord HHGD]

Igorius, on 19 December 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

I think the general ire wasn't over the perception of being forced to buy a package, in order to get Clan 'Mechs/tech. The anger was over how much of a naked cash grab it felt like, especially in the face of yet another road map full of, to use an old MWO chestnut, "90 days" promises. In that respect, there still is a lot of unaddressed anger within the community.

Well, no one is forcing you to like it either. I will defend PGI to my last breath that they have not crossed the P2W boundary yet (timestamp). Until they do, no one should feel coerced to support them. On the other hand, I work in software support and I know things that seem easy or with an at first reasonable time table can get shot to sh*t in a hurry. Could PGI have communicated better? Sure. I don't know a single company where that isn't the case. Is it worth 340+ pages of vitriol and hate? Absolutely not. I will say that I haven't seen any instances of personal threats (though I don't do twitter and I try to avoid FB), but everything else unacceptable seems to be present.

I know they said CW is coming, UI2.0 is coming. They also said the Clans are coming. One project just outpaced the others unexpectedly, I don't know. I'm glad to see the Clan mechs, they are beautiful. I know CW and UI are coming. It's not just us or Russ either. There's a whole slew of people in that studio who depend on success to feed their families. They don't want to fail and I am sure Russ doesn't either. All the conjecture is leading us down the wrong path. If MWO fails, PGI fails and there are PGI employees who don't want to see that happen. Even with the improved job market (despite our leaders I might add) it's still not a fun prospect to go job hunting....

Give them a break and they'll give us our game. Timetables notwithstanding. Sh*t happens.

[Harmatia]

Mikey MIRV, on 13 December 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

I've got plenty of money. I kind of want the mechs. PGI doesn't get another cent until they deliver CW.

Same here. If some phase of CW existed (or was imminent), if how factions were going to work was fully detailed (with a a reak time frame and how IS and Clans would function within that system), and the game had more modes of play, I would be all in. Even if they did increase the costs versus what was available with Phoenix Project.

I just have no intent on spending more money on a game that is not progressing fast enough for the money being asked.

[Chronojam]

DIRECTX 11 RELEASED IN THIS WEEK'S PATCH After going open to the public at the end of last year, a lot of fans were eager for Dx11 support and it's finally here. Performance increases of up to 25% on compatible hardware are being reported!

[CDLord HHGD]

Chronojam, on 19 December 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

DIRECTX 11 RELEASED IN THIS WEEK'S PATCH After going open to the public at the end of last year, a lot of fans were eager for Dx11 support and it's finally here. Performance increases of up to 25% on compatible hardware are being reported!

Should let people know it's for War Thunder.....

[Alek Ituin]

Chronojam, on 19 December 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

DIRECTX 11 RELEASED IN THIS WEEK'S PATCH After going open to the public at the end of last year, a lot of fans were eager for Dx11 support and it's finally here. Performance increases of up to 25% on compatible hardware are being reported!

Was a long time coming for WT, but at least they had a majority of their features working to keep us players busy.

[FrDrake]

I played WarThunder for a little while, it's ok but I found I only really liked the rank 1-2 matches where everyone was on equal footing, when I got to my ranks 5-6ish planes I was constantly being matchmade into games with rank 9s and unlike this game, a rank 6 plane pretty much just dies outright to a rank 9 (as in they are faster, have more armor, and bigger guns, you shoot them 10 times and they shoot 1 time kind of disparity).

[Will9761]

It would be easier if you split the Clan Pack into tiers and made them both cost $120. That way, if you decide to buy both tiers, that would cost you $240 in total, making it easier to buy.

Something like this could work:
First Tier
Warhawk = $120
Timber Wolf = $90
Stormcrow = $60
Puma = $30

Second Tier
Dire Wolf = $120
Summoner = $90
Nova = $60
Kit Fox = $30

Edited by Will9761, 19 December 2013 - 01:03 PM.

[Chronojam]

FrDrake, on 19 December 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

I played WarThunder for a little while, it's ok but I found I only really liked the rank 1-2 matches where everyone was on equal footing, when I got to my ranks 5-6ish planes I was constantly being matchmade into games with rank 9s and unlike this game, a rank 6 plane pretty much just dies outright to a rank 9 (as in they are faster, have more armor, and bigger guns, you shoot them 10 times and they shoot 1 time kind of disparity).

For what it's worth, I would routinely take my rank 0-3 aircraft into rank 13 battles because I love a challenge. Discounting the awful default ammunition for the Japanese, most planes are vulnerable to most other planes, especially for pilot or engine kill. The most recent patch actually condenses the rankings a bit into grouped tiers, it will be interesting to see players adapt to that.

[Featherwood]

Will9761, on 19 December 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

It would be easier if you split the Clan Pack into tiers and made them both cost $120. That way, if you decide to buy both tiers, that would cost you $240 in total, making it easier to buy.

Looks like you didn't get the the very idea of PGI pricing and communication strategy - PGI wants money, not our advices.

[Chronojam]

Will9761, on 19 December 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

It would be easier if you split the Clan Pack into tiers and made them both cost $120. That way, if you decide to buy both tiers, that would cost you $240 in total, making it easier to buy.

Something like this could work:
First Tier
Warhawk = $120
Timber Wolf = $90
Stormcrow = $60
Puma = $30

Second Tier
Dire Wolf = $120
Summoner = $90
Nova = $60
Kit Fox = $30

Why would they do this? Then you could buy the Timberwolf for $120 cheaper.

Edited by Chronojam, 19 December 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[Bilbo]

Chronojam, on 19 December 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Why would they do this? Then you could buy the Timberwolf for $120 cheaper.

It appears they are changing the pricing scheme.
http://mwomercs.com/...h-russ-bullock/

[Rebas Kradd]

Told you they'd probably come back down. Can you say "veiled apology"?

[Featherwood]

Bilbo, on 19 December 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

It appears they are changing the pricing scheme.
http://mwomercs.com/...h-russ-bullock/

I've read the article, it appears that Russ feels his *** is on fire and gives another promise, nothing else. It could be just a moment weakness, just slipped the tongue, he doesn't seem much obliged for his promises you know.

Edited by Featherwood, 19 December 2013 - 01:32 PM.