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[Will9761]

Featherwood, on 19 December 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

Looks like you didn't get the the very idea of PGI pricing and communication strategy - PGI wants money, not our advices.

It's understandable, its a feedback thread, after all not a flame thread.

Edited by Will9761, 19 December 2013 - 01:36 PM.

[Will9761]

Chronojam, on 19 December 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Why would they do this? Then you could buy the Timberwolf for $120 cheaper.

Because it give less hassle for people who want the venerable design. After all the lesser prices you have, the more people will spend.

Edited by Will9761, 19 December 2013 - 01:39 PM.

[Featherwood]

Will9761, on 19 December 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

its a feedback thread, after all not a flame thread.

From the Remembrance. Page 348.

[capt bishop]

driftrobot, on 19 December 2013 - 03:33 AM, said:

Perhaps this not the best apple to apple game comparison but I'm liking how Marvel Heroes is doing their playable hero sales.

They have a huge sale package on the next year's worth of heroes they are releasing Their advance package release which is up for presale at $130 with an estimate regular $425 value (granted the that each hero package typically runs $15-20'ish US$.. and $425 is slightly inflated with the inclusion of all the other digital goods) but essentially the presale should saves you around 30-50% per hero in the long run plus a bunch of virtual goods - Not to mention the sale was only announced this week and those people that buy before Dec 31st get an additional free hero package that is about to be released... talk about bundling for value https://www.marvelhe...g-advance-packs

Okay if you don't want to buy the package of all the Heroes or even the small team package, there's individual packages that you can buy. New Heroes typically come out once a month or longer. With new Heroes they do leaks as to who's coming out next a couple months in advance, followed by forums threads and information releases, videos, etc. There's also testing of them on the public servers ahead of release and the public test lets you try the hero out just before the pre-sale ends. Individual pre-sale on the individual hero's also carry a small discount on it (10'ish %) much less than the massive package but still a sale promoting their impending release.

Also people who pre-purchase don't get the hero earlier than others. Everyone gets the hero (or can get them) at the release date. So huge price breaks, lots of in-game usable virtual goods

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Translating some of this into MWO:

Lets start having specific mech packages (e.g. Shadow Hawk package) - You buy this package and you get all 3 mechs for either a slightly reduced priced or at the Best MC/$ ratio you have and toss in some extra virtual goods (artillery strikes, UAV's,etc, couple million C-bills and some premium time (3-7 days). Which i think is a great way to get people to use them more (and potential buy more of these things)

The giant pre-sale package is okay but it needs to offer a stronger discount value. Previous packs over the clan packs seemed to be better priced (Although we can assume only at this point that clan mechs will cost higher MC/c-bills than IS mechs) but at $30 per tier compared to Phoenix's $20/tier means that clan tech and mechs should have 50% higher in-game costs over IS.

But can we say clan stuff should have a much greater premium over IS when they are some what "balanced" for game play. Granted that clan mechs has some better omni point fitment over IS but IMHO doesn't demand a 50% higher premium, maybe 20%.

Really the only major selling points is to gain access to the clan mechs much earlier than their official roll out dates and pay for that access. While the extras included are nice we have no idea what some of them are nor their gameplay experience value. Again please also add some consumables, c-bills, and other items.

Since Community warfare is NOT coming out before you start rolling Clan Mechs out and since you are not enforcing clan mechs only with Clan affiliation then there is no reason to put so many Clan mechs out in a 8 mech package so soon and only to have them trickle them out for public consumption so slowly. I think it really demoralizing to have Masakari and Mad Cat running around while they are not general public purchasable for 6+ months,... end of 2014 / early 2015 (assuming you have a similar release time frame as the phoenix package)

If you like to reward pre-sale package people with earlier access to mech then give earlier access by about month or two ahead of time public sale release.

Marvel Heroes does it the right away. The Advanced Hero pack is just a Pre Order with random fluff. A New hero is released every month. When a Hero is released people can buy a hero pack from their store that has a Hero+2 Costumes and their stash tab. People can also buy the hero directly for Prem currency. Also people can trade in Splinters to get the Hero for free.

Marvel Heroes treats all people the same.

[Geek Verve]

Naskoni, on 19 December 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

It is completely beyond me what makes you think I still play this game... I'm still waiting for them to make the game they promised so I can actually play it. Oh, wait, I'm not... That would be me playing in "Waiting for Godot".

My mistake. I guess I just can't imagine a world where someone would claim to have every intention of TK'ing every friendly Gold Mech they see drop, when they don't even play the game in the first place.

Apologies.

[DoktorVivi]

Will9761, on 19 December 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Because it give less hassle for people who want the venerable design. After all the lesser prices you have, the more people will spend.

Of course. That's why other f2p games that actually embrace that concept make tons of money. PGI doesn't, which explains why MC prices for most things are generally ridiculous.

[Imperius]

Destined, on 19 December 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Wow stop with the personal stuff guys. Stay on-topic please.

I like you sig. Can I get that wreaking ball put in my cockpit? Like have a mech swinging on it? Lol best idea yet!

[Naskoni]

Bilbo, on 19 December 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

It appears they are changing the pricing scheme.
http://mwomercs.com/...h-russ-bullock/

I will believe this when it actually happens. Not holding my breath though...

If that actually happens it would do so only under immense pressure and that can be only the Exodus I'm hoping for, and after an Exodus that would change as much as a fart in the wind would.

EDIT:
"Bullock was aware that the way that many players attempt to get their way is to make a "hell of a lot of noise" and that there is some truth to the strategy."

Nope, he still doesn't get it... Lets see what other price changes will occur in a few months if this keeps on. I'm truly interested what or whom B#llock will blame when the game dies in the end. Maybe software piracy in general?

Edited by Naskoni, 19 December 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[Will9761]

DoktorVivi, on 19 December 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Of course. That's why other f2p games that actually embrace that concept make tons of money. PGI doesn't, which explains why MC prices for most things are generally ridiculous.

And if you don't like it, you have the option not to even buy it.

[Iqfish]

Its amazing how much time you guys spend on flaming PGI.
If you would calculate that time in paid work hours, you actually gave PGI the money they wanted.

[SlavKatyusha]

Naskoni, on 19 December 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

I will believe this when it actually happens. Not holding my breath though...

If that actually happens it would do so only under immense pressure and that can be only the Exodus I'm hoping for, and after an Exodus that would change as much as a fart in the wind would.

EDIT:
"Bullock was aware that the way that many players attempt to get their way is to make a "hell of a lot of noise" and that there is some truth to the strategy."

Nope, he still doesn't get it... Lets see what other price changes will occur in a few months if this keeps on. I'm truly interested what or whom B#llock will blame when the game dies in the end. Maybe software piracy in general?

PC piracy obviously, evan tough i don't see how someone will pirate a F2P game, but the internetz never stop to suprise me :|



i'm a bit tired of this, time to go back to mech4free.

Edited by CloneWarrior85, 19 December 2013 - 02:56 PM.

[Naskoni]

IqfishLP, on 19 December 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Its amazing how much time you guys spend on flaming PGI.
If you would calculate that time in paid work hours, you actually gave PGI the money they wanted.

I'm not quite so sure PGI profits from the time I put into a couple of threads here. I might actually consider my efforts more akin to me receiving back my money's worth, but you're most certainly free to disagree.

[Chronojam]

IqfishLP, on 19 December 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Its amazing how much time you guys spend on flaming PGI.
If you would calculate that time in paid work hours, you actually gave PGI the money they wanted.

Hey pal, let's remember who the real bad guys are in this situation. The players didn't do this to themselves, and many were quite excited and optimistic about MWO and if this is their way of coping, don't take it from them.

[Hexenhammer]

My issue with the Clan Package was timing, lack of progress and the unknown.

1. We as players needed a breather from big dollar packages. Announcing the pack during the middle of the Phoenix release felt like a money grab.

2. We as players have been begging for things what we've been promised. UI2 and CW. Releasing UI2 would help restore faith in a game that appears to be comprised solely of sales and empty promises. The irony is that PGI says UI2 will allow them more flexibility in sales! Like including mech bays and not having to take the servers to start or end sales.

3. Linear purchasing tier. Knoving offered up a great pricing scheme which I cant't find the link for. If PGI had done the clan sale like the founders I think there would be less protests because people could have bought their favorite mech and not feel like they're being fleeced.

4. The unknown.
We've don't know how clan tech rules will play out in MWO. Example. Clan mechs have static armor values and that might make them too fragile in the current meta.

Balance: This a touchy subject. How will weapons be balanced. Right now Clan Tech looks like IS Tech v1.5.

Actual play style and Golden Mechs. I have no problems with golden mechs. 100, 250, 500, or 1000 it's buyer beware! You shell out $500 for a mech, get it and realize it doesn't fit your play style then what? Refund? By then it's to late and you are stuck with a gold brick.

So how could this have been handled.
Ui2 released
Clan Sale offered with various packages.
People that buy clan packages get to beta test clan tech!


So there we are; my 2 cents on what could have been done. It would show the players the game is progressing, give players time to breath between big sales, and give players a reason to buy into clan tech.

[DarkReaver1986]

Why should i spend 240 dollar for 24 mechs? In these packages one mech costs 10 dollar... thats too much.

In the phoenix package i spend only 110 dollar for 18 mechs... 6,11 dollar each machine

[Zatharus Mathew deTora]

Nightfire, on 19 December 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

Congratulations PGI! I didn't think you were actually capable of it but I am done!
I went in for the Founders program because I desperately wanted a new, good Mechwarrior game.
I was warned by many departing Founders (those that were left) that the Phoenix package was a cash grab but I bought it anyway. I was, in my mind, supporting the product for both of those purchases not buying the virtual mechs you offered.

Now ... now ... you've delivered none of it!
There is no Community Warfare!
There are no lobbies or viable way to control our drops!
Hell, there isn't even a way to drop with more than 4 of my friends in random matches! (Remember when this was the next phase of the Matchmaker, due just a "few weeks"^tm after the Elo matchmaker fix?)
The game is still buggy as hell with the primary premise, the promise between the game and the player, being completely unreliable! That being Hit Registration! You know, I shoot big stompy robots with big explody guns and big stompy robots blow up!

This may well be all coming "soon"^tm but you have finally taken too long! It doesn't matter anymore. You don't deserve my cash anymore, not with this level of performance.
The core game literally has not changed in any positive way since closed beta. There may be more mechs and more maps (and even those are released at the pace of treacle. Remember the promises we were given in Closed Beta?) but we have the same weapons, the same game modes, poor hit registration and a slew of broken promises.

It's over. I'm ending this toxic relationship before you suck more life out of that which I love. I really thought you had promise in closed beta. I wish I could say you had changed since then but the problem is, you haven't really save for the amount you keep draining from my wallet. You even chased off my friends (You know they told me you were just using me for my money? How right they were!) That stops now! Perhaps one day you will change but I'm gone, Elite Dangerous will be available soon and until then I think I'm going to flirt a bit with Battlefield 4 and Warframe. They both know I'm not serious about them but both have been more up front and treated me far better than you have.

Goodbye.

soon^tm, trademark of Activision-Blizzard

Nightfire sums it up for me a lot.
I will patch, when I think to.
I will check back when I think about it.
I will occasionally even let my unit mates try talking me into dropping.
However, this is unlikely, until the release of CW and UI 2.0.

Why? Because I'm tired of having a {Scrap} time(blasting stuff not withstanding, but I have another one for that~) with jack to show for it.
Bring in CW and UI 2.0? Okay, I'll give that a shot, I'll let you try to woo me with that.

[Ghostchips Condensate I and II]

Imperius, on 18 December 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Here ya go get your pop corn

The reactions in match, with the gold one. Good choice, bet that is the most common gold one too. Everyone i have met in game said it would unlock 23 vrs 1 mode. Guess you will find out. If you were on my team i would not likely shoot you though.

[Ghostchips Condensate I and II]

Bilbo, on 19 December 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

It appears they are changing the pricing scheme.
http://mwomercs.com/...h-russ-bullock/

If i can sell my stupid race car chassis i paid $400 for to someone as silly as i was to buy it (i actually assembled some of it so they get better value if they buy it now) then i can almost just about not quite afford to buy a gold mech & the free package in a few months, if i get no massive expenses & refrain from strangling my boss in the mean time. Oh yeah! Hope the gold actually means mirror finish armour for added laser resistance.

[Airborne Thunder]

I like how the changed the word "loyal" to "ambitious". Good call PGI. +1 cool point.


"Available only to the most ambitious of Kerensky's followers, the Khan Collections provide pilots participating in Operation Revival with the most exclusive and treasured of Clan Technologies."

[Anubis Wrath]

$240 for electronic, non tangible goods is a joke, I coughed up money for "extras" in this game twice over, its becoming Pay to Win more and more as time passes.