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[Suko]

PGI, please hear this...

Thank You.

I won't say that often, but I really do appreciate you realizing your errors and correcting them. However, you haven't earned my money yet. I'll be waiting a few months to see what kind of progress you make before I invest more into your game. I hope that, for both of us, the next few months are positive ones. I'm still peeved about CW being so delayed, but I appreciate your willingness to give use the purchasing options we've all been asking for.

That said, I don't know who is in charge of your marketing team, but you might want to have a VERY long talk with them. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, but I think we all can agree, we'd like it to be the last.

Edited by ShadowVFX, 20 December 2013 - 08:53 PM.

[Alexandrix]

Silverlance, on 20 December 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

Yah. I'm on board with this question as well. Bought the Warhawk Pack, but want a gold mech. Not gonna spend damn near 800 space bucks on two seperate things. Give me an upgrade option to a Gold Mech for the remaining balance since I already bought the complete collection!

Also, SERIOUSLY?!@()&#$_$^ WHAT THE **** PGI?! No Mad Dog???? What the hell??? The ADDER over the MAD DOG?!?! Have you completely lost your damn minds??????
Lastly. Your Warhawk concept looks like dog {Scrap}. Horribly done. Everything else was far beyond what I hoped.

That is all.

Don't worry you'll be able to throw money at them for a mad dog in their next cash grab,coming soon.

[Nimura Nekogami]

Alexandrix, on 20 December 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Don't worry you'll be able to throw money at them for a mad dog in their next cash grab,coming soon.

Clan Reinforcement Pack "soon".

Probably with the announcment that UI 2.0 need to be deleyed 90 days from fabruary 4th.

[vega irl]

You guys have some cheek asking this amount of money. I have been a follower for many years and you are making the public hate this game. Dragging out every aspect of the mwo till you kill the game.. Stop feeding the expensive DRUG habits and do some bloody work pgi. Come on

[Magnarr]

I waited for 350 pages of feedback to pass now before entering my own. There was so much negative energy to be poured through that hole, it just had to wait.

It's okay to admit a mistake. Everyone already knows now it was a huge one; fan-base, surely the company, everyone. What's done is done.

So, how to recover. Not going to give advice on how to. It just has to be acknowledged and moved past.

[Metalsand]

Magnarr, on 21 December 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

I waited for 350 pages of feedback to pass now before entering my own. There was so much negative energy to be poured through that hole, it just had to wait.

It's okay to admit a mistake. Everyone already knows now it was a huge one; fan-base, surely the company, everyone. What's done is done.

So, how to recover. Not going to give advice on how to. It just has to be acknowledged and moved past.

Which is their main problem, because a lot of their people barely acknowledge it. lol

[CptMat]

PGI helped me max my credit card, Battletech is like nerd meth.

[Nimura Nekogami]

Magnarr, on 21 December 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

I waited for 350 pages of feedback to pass now before entering my own. There was so much negative energy to be poured through that hole, it just had to wait.

It's okay to admit a mistake. Everyone already knows now it was a huge one; fan-base, surely the company, everyone. What's done is done.

So, how to recover. Not going to give advice on how to. It just has to be acknowledged and moved past.

Theyve said they have done great things. There is no aknowlegement as far as i cant tell.

Cant remember reading:
"Sorry folks we f-it up. All you guys supported us the hole time. We achived little with the fund you offered us and we at PGI are deeply ashemed to offer the the package without having all the things we mentioned in over a year. We lowerd the prices on clan packege at least to the pheonix value. We are deeply sorry to ask for your money so soon again. Best regards PGI and thank you."

This is what i would expect if i tell my loyal customers i didnt work on anything i promissed.

I get no satisfaction giving them money if the dont value it or me as customer.
(side note: i also dont want the guys from PGI to cry into sleep every night )

I want honesty and a bloody excuse. (nothing near an excuse seen)
That would be the first step in the right direction. Is this something so mean that im some sort of person who wants this game to fail ? I dont think so.

[anonymous161]

Until they lower the prices more to the regular levels that we have now and I think thats even too expensive for the amount of progress, and an apology, maybe throw in something extra cool for christmas I will ignore their mistake but for now...

*pulls down pants wiggles it at pgi while giving the middle finger salute*

YE CAN KISS ME ARSE!

[Molossian Dog]

It is hilarious that going back to Pheonix Package prices -which themselves were already ridiculous- is all the powered out hardcore fans are wishing for now.

But don´t fool yourselves. PGI knew how they would look like when they made this Clan "deal". Fact is, they don´t give a damn.

The sad truth is, they also knew there would be enough {people} still buying their sh !t.

Don´t blame them. Blame the ones that actually pay these absurd sums. If only to rub it into the faces of their fellow players. (Actually I think this is the main reason, regardless what they say about "supporting" the brand)

Every fleecing has two parties. Those that fleece and those that let themselves get fleeced. If not for the latter´s stupidity there would be none of the former.

Which is sad.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 21 December 2013 - 07:06 AM.

[SaltyDog2020]

This is first year economics guys. They are assuming that demand is very inelastic. Given their fixed costs (you can consider their labour basically a fixed cost since ramping up the sale of mech units does not require more labour), they have minimal marginal costs to increasing the sales of mechs... so everything is on the revenue side.

Given this, they are assuming that demand will not react very much to price. Therefore they can increase the price by say 2x, but quantity sold will only decrease by maybe 1.8x (for example) and so they are maximizing revenue (and therefore profits since costs don't change much).

Of course if they are wrong and demand is actually very elastic, then they are going to hurt their profits. But i'm sure they made this pricing decision based on past historical precedent which suggests that while everyone on the forums here complains, the fact is most of you are actually paying for these things hand over fist.

Edited by SaltyDog2020, 21 December 2013 - 07:08 AM.

[capt bishop]

$55 just for the Mech we want. NOPE!! Still way WAYYYY over priced.

Make it 30 bucks. $10 per variant seems reasonable. Why should I get that for $55 I can almost get a new released game that probably has more value.This game is now just a laughing stock of the gaming world.

[Lupus Aurelius]

When you look at the first 2 packages, Uller and Blackhawk, not counting the "badges and titles", they are basically al-la-carte. No premium time, no extra modules, not extra add ons. And priced at $30 and $60.

Now to buy a single al-la-carte costs $55. So, we are receiving less for almost double the price of the Uller package. I have no idea who at PGI thought this up, but the idea of free to play is microtransactions, little purchases that have no immediate impact on the player's wallet. To charge $55 for 3 mechs, undefined for that matter, with one having the cbill and xp boost, is ludicrous, and hardly a microtransaction.

Pricing should have been comparable to the Uller package, $30 per mech, with no decrease in price as you added al-la-carte options. This would encourage more purchases, you would have people happy to spend $60 for 6 mech bays, 6 mechs, 2 cbill/xp boost mechs, but instead, it costs $105 to do that, and there are no "extras"

IMHO, this is clearly an attempt to make it look like PGI listened to player input, but not actually providing what that input was.

Uller package, 3 mechs/1 cbill-xp bonus, $30
Al-la-carte, 3 mechs/1 cbill-xp bonus, $55.

Seriously, PGI, really, you should have kept the prices in line with the rest of the offer, instead of inflating already inflated prices.

P.S. - Still not buying anything until:
--Clan tech is defined
--Configurations and loadouts defined
--Until PGI delivers on it's promises and starts showing integrity

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 21 December 2013 - 09:39 AM.

[Devari]

The a-la-carte pricing is ridiculous and shows how delusional they are about a game they have flatly refused to develop as promised despite MASSIVE amounts of cash literally thrown at them by players. You do not expect a playerbase who has already THROWN money at the game through two and a half "fundraising" packages (founders, phoenix and sabre) to continue blindly paying you $55 for an unspecified digital item in an unfinished game.

They figured they could milk the cash cow indefinitely, without giving us anything other than vague "promises"of a finished game that will be two years late, IF it is ever completed at all. Which at this point I really doubt is going to happen.

In another thread I compared this to a printer company that tries to keep selling you ink for two years before they even deliver the printer you purchased from them.

I'm not buying $240 worth of "ink cartridges" from them when I've given them $230 and still don't have a printer. And the best they can tell me is "give us another year".

They are not spending your money on what they said they were spending it on. Because they figured that getting 20 people to sell us more mechs and skins and only 18 people to work on the actual game is simply the most profitable way to keep getting cash from us without delivering a product. Not only that, but they only recently got a LICENCE for the game beyond 2015. Think about that. They did not even have the LEGAL rights to produce what they told us they would produce while they were taking our money, and they KNEW IT all along, which is why they spent the founders/phoenix/saber money on other things. Now they want more money to do what they SHOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE with the money we gave them.

If this were done in ANY other type of business it would be considered fraud. Plain and simple. I honestly don't know why they think people will put up with being literally cheated out of money that they were TOLD would go into the development of a game with specific features, only to learn this was NOT done at all.

Your money is gone. And we do not have a game. Giving the company any more money at this point would simply be ASKING them to please flush it down the toilet for you. Which you can probably do more efficiently yourself, by literally walking to the nearest toilet.

N.O.P.E.

Edited by Devari, 21 December 2013 - 10:54 AM.

[Nimura Nekogami]

Devari, on 21 December 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

The a-la-carte pricing is ridiculous and shows how delusional they are about a game they have flatly refused to develop as promised despite MASSIVE amounts of cash literally thrown at them by players. You do not expect a playerbase who has already THROWN money at the game through two and a half "fundraising" packages (founders, phoenix and sabre) to continue blindly paying you $55 for an unspecified digital item in an unfinished game.

They figured they could milk the cash cow indefinitely, without giving us anything other than vague "promises"of a finished game that will be two years late, IF it is ever completed at all. Which at this point I really doubt is going to happen.

In another thread I compared this to a printer company that tries to keep selling you ink for two years before they even deliver the printer your purchased from them.

I'm not buying $240 worth of "ink cartridges" from them when I've given them $230 and still don't have a printer. And the best they can tell me is "give us another year".

They are not spending your money on what they said they were spending it on. Because they figured that getting 20 people to sell us more mechs and skins and only 18 people to work on the actual game is simply the most profitable way to keep getting cash from us without delivering a product. Not only that, but they only recently got a LICENCE for the game beyond 2015. Think about that. They did not even have the LEGAL rights to produce what they told us they would produce while they were taking our money, and they KNEW IT all along, which is why they spent the founders/phoenix/saber money on other things. Now they want more money to do what they SHOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE with the money we gave them.

If this were done in ANY other type of business it would be considered fraud. Plain and simple. I honestly don't know why they think people will put up with being literally cheated out of money that they were TOLD would go into the development of a game with specific features, only to learn this was NOT done at all.

Your money is gone. And we do not have a game. Giving the company any more money at this point would simply be ASKING them to please flush it down the toilet for you. Which you can probably do more efficiently yourself, by literally walking to the nearest toilet.

N.O.P.E.

Funny thing some people refuse to see these things. Im interested what is nessesary that all see what heppend?

Im honest and say. I wanted MechWarrior 5. This was the closest thing to get this. But thinking of the 3PV it could become an Mech Assoult in the development next year.

Would anybody be fine with this too?

At the moment PGI is flooding thought without concept in the forums and asking for feedback. I could clearly remeber that PGI said that the forum is just an minority and the opinions of those dont reflect the playerbase. So feedback to say afterwards we dont giva a f*** ?

My mates dont look in the forums often. (only when i link them stuff <.<)
They could be called the real playerbase. The dicided after the clan pack also to stay with N.O.P.E..

[Imperius]

Again quit complaining about the prices! You don't have to buy {Scrap}. You just have to wait longer for the mech! So put up or shut up! God!

[Lupus Aurelius]

Imperius, on 21 December 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

Again quit complaining about the prices! You don't have to buy {Scrap}. You just have to wait longer for the mech! So put up or shut up! God!

Hmmmmm, dev alt? Or just another brown knight?

It's called feedback, just because it is negative does not make it bad feedback.

[Devari]

The problem isn't just "value" for the money. I mean, even if you want to address that, the "value" of what they're trying to sell us is laughable, their prices are literally triple what other MMOs charge for this type of content. The problem is, they are not WoW or SWTOR, etc. They shouldn't even DREAM of continuing to sell content for an unfinished game at those prices. Even major MMOs do not try to charge that much, and this game is still unfinished. We don't even have a working beta for community warfare, which is the ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME. It's like someone building a car in their garage, and thinking they can sell it at prices people charge for a Porsche, just because they can delude themselves into claiming it has that "value" on paper.

The real problem is that they wasted the money we gave them and didn't deliver the game they promised. So they need more money, and think they can charge us MORE without giving us ANYTHING of substance.

Over $50 for a mech without ANY details? N.O.P.E.

Another year for community warfare? N.O.P.E.

Continuing to support a game I've spent hundreds of dollars on and still can't play in a basic working form? N.O.P.E.

Sorry, but if PGI had ANY credibility, it is gone. Just like all the money they took from our founders, phoenix and saber packages. The money is gone, they didn't do the work we paid them to do, and they are asking for MORE money.

N.O.P.E.

Edited by Devari, 21 December 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[Imperius]

Lupus Aurelius, on 21 December 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Hmmmmm, dev alt? Or just another brown knight?

It's called feedback, just because it is negative does not make it bad feedback.

Nope to both just hate cheap people like so many on this forum. You don't "need" or "require" the pack or mechs offered to play so don't buy it and shut up and wait until it come out for free and you buy it with C-Bills...

Devari, on 21 December 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

The problem isn't just &quot;value&quot; for the money. I mean, even if you want to address that, the &quot;value&quot; of what they're trying to sell us is laughable, their prices are literally triple what other MMOs charge for this type of content. The problem is, they are not WoW or SWTOR, etc. They shouldn't even DREAM of continuing to sell content for an unfinished game at those prices. Even major MMOs do not try to charge that much, and this game is still unfinished. We don't even have a working beta for community warfare, which is the ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME. It's like someone building a car in their garage, and thinking they can sell it at prices people charge for a Porsche, just because they can delude themselves into claiming it has that &quot;value&quot; on paper.

The real problem is that they wasted the money we gave them and didn't deliver the game they promised. So they need more money, and think they can charge us MORE without giving us ANYTHING of substance.

Over $50 for a mech without ANY details? N.O.P.E.

Another year for community warfare? N.O.P.E.

Continuing to support a game I've spent hundreds of dollars on and still can't play in a basic working form? N.O.P.E.

Sorry, but if PGI had ANY credibility, it is gone. Just like all the money they took from our founders, phoenix and saber packages. The money is gone, they didn't do the work we paid them to do, and they are asking for MORE money.

N.O.P.E.

You get three mechs one with a 30% boost and other stuff not yet announced! Again you do t have to pay. Eventually you'll get it for free.

Edited by Imperius, 21 December 2013 - 11:56 AM.

[Devari]

Nice try, but N.O.P.E. The other two mechs are just variants of the same chassis, that you NEED to simply unlock the mech tree for the first mech.

That is NOT three times the value because it just goes towards the use of a single mech. Sorry. Not remotely worth $50. N.O.P.E.

And we will not get anything for FREE because we have already PAID for a game they have NOT PRODUCED. N.O.P.E.

And they still want more money, after the first TWO AND A HALF huge batches of money we gave them has already somehow disappeared, without us getting the game they promised. N.O.P.E.

Sorry, but even TRYING to defend PGI on this one is just so full of fail, I don't even think anyone could even create an appropriate internet meme to express my shock at how ridiculous the situation is.

N.O.P.E.

Edited by Devari, 21 December 2013 - 12:08 PM.