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[Angelos Sanguinum]

I have beta-tested this crаp and never going to give a single cent to PGI. Piranhas have horrible appetite. I pity those poor people who play this game and let them milk their money.

Edited by Angelos Sanguinum, 14 December 2013 - 08:19 PM.

[Banshee Bullet]

I'm not worried about op clan mechs, the designer post today relieved that fear. IS mechs with clan weapons, that's what people will use. Without being able to modify engine size, armor distribution, structure, heatsink type or base heatsink location... clan mechs themselves will be vastly inferior to customized IS battlemechs. And since clan weapons will be better than IS weapons (we have proof now, just look at the lrm 20 changes) even after their initial nerf... The best mechs will be IS battlemechs with clan weapons.

[Mindwyrm]

Banshee Bullet, on 14 December 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

I'm not worried about op clan mechs, the designer post today relieved that fear. IS mechs with clan weapons, that's what people will use. Without being able to modify engine size, armor distribution, structure, heatsink type or base heatsink location... clan mechs themselves will be vastly inferior to customized IS battlemechs. And since clan weapons will be better than IS weapons (we have proof now, just look at the lrm 20 changes) even after their initial nerf... The best mechs will be IS battlemechs with clan weapons.

That only applies IF they follow through with it.

[Overkill C7]

Mystere, on 14 December 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

No publisher was willing to support the single-player game. That is why they chose the free-to-play route in the first place.

Oh no doubt. I understand why they went this route with it and I think it was a good business decision for them. However, I still long for the "good 'ol days" of buy'n a game with a stand alone single player campaign and getting everything up front with my purchase. Times change and it's all good. I just hope PGI does listen to their players since I see a lot of Legendary and Overlord icons pop'n up with concerned comments about their latest offer. We'll see I guess.

[Kusanagi Hazen]

Banshee Bullet, on 14 December 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

The best mechs will be IS battlemechs with clan weapons.

What makes you think they will allow mixed tech?

[GalaxyBluestar]

GalaxyBluestar, on 14 December 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

and what remains cannot be customized at all. These include:

• The engine type and rating
  
• The number and placement of a minimum number of heatsinks
  
• The amount and distribution of armor
  
• The armor type and the location of any critical slots occupied by Ferro-Fibrous
  
• The internal structure type and the location of any critical slots occupied by Endo Steel
  
• Enhancements such as MASC
  
• The occasional weapon or other piece of equipment (e.g. jump jets) that is included as part of the base configuration

thank you for totally screwing over clanners, not only are you nerfing their weapons, and nerfing omni modules by limiting them to varients available but they'll hardly be customisable AT ALL you know customisation. THE ENITRE SELL POINT OF THIS GIMCIKY TRAVISTY OF A BATTLETECH GAME!



you just burned you cash grab deal to ashes... have a nice day.

GG cloths

[Mystere]

That's $275 for one lousy ship.
Sure, you can "ride" it with your friends, if you had any.

On the other hand, the top-tier Clan pack gives you 24 mechs, whether or not you like them all of course.

Jack Gallows, on 14 December 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

I clicked on the Warhawk but all I got when I loaded the game was...

[GreatKazou]

You know PGI could make a lot more money and solve the pricing issue by just chopping off a 0 on every pack. They would easily sell 10+ packs at $24 for every 1 they would have sold at $240. You don't even have to go that low on prices....but seriously, think about it.

Smarten up, PGI.

[xXBagheeraXx]

Man...Id pick up that madcat and direwolf package, but thats a bit too expensive PGI....Good try tho.

[Gremlich Johns]

While I understand the concern about how much the packages cost (average cost per mech is on par with the Phoenix package), the argument should be instead about what the game lacks and features that should have already been implemented by now - how many times have they been postponed?

UI 2.0
CW

just to name 2 very important bits.

This isn't about money for me - it's about a game that is so under developed that PGI cannot even give us the basic specs for the Clan mechs -- information players REALLY need to make an accurate assessment on whether to part with funds or not. To buy them just to have them, frankly, is ill-advised.

Then Paul drops a post about potential Clan tech implementation the day after the Clan Pack announcement that SHOULD have been posted at least last week. A post that's ostensibly "This is what we're thinking about".

I understand that not everybody at PGI is focused on game coding, but guys, get an influx of funding for developers/coders that does not require the blatant and obvious fleecing of your player base -- you're just biting the hand that feeds you.

[SUSTINET]

CMetz, on 14 December 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

Sometimes this community really cracks me up. Is like a bunch of you showed up for free steak night at a restaurant, purchased every side item on the menu, and then complained for 3 months that the steak was a T-bone instead of a porterhouse and the side items cost too much. If you feel that you would not be happy playing with any of those clan mech packages under the current state of the game then simply don't buy them. In reality you all got everything that you paid for. If the clan collections cost too much money for you then tough dookie. That's how the world works. If you don't want to buy them by choice, then don't. Guess what- in the real world there are things that everyone would love to have but they can't afford. These sales are for people who have the money and don't mind parting with it. As for in-game features... if you don't like what's available, go somewhere else. I suspect CW and UI2.0 will be here sooner rather than later, but in the meantime we won't miss you if you decide to go be insufferable somewhere else. Want community warfare? Go play MegaMek on one of the many servers that are available. That is about as involved as CW can get. The sense of entitlement around here is ridiculous. Know what you're actually entitled to? What you bought (mechs, medallions, premium time, mc, etc).

Most of us can easily afford that, if it was WORTH IT. The point is that it's not, and they have consistently failed to fulfill their promises to the community and roll out features in a timely manner. They seem to have become more concerned with figuring out just HOW MUCH money they can get us to drop before we cry uncle. And that point has pretty much been reached with the announcement of these packages. I can drop thousands of dollars on trinkets and electronics where I feel the value is justified, but to anyone with half a brain and any concept of money, this whole thing just seems to be an increasingly bad investment to those of us who have already dumped hundreds upon hundreds of dollars into this company's pockets.

[Wounded Slug]

CMetz, on 14 December 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

Sometimes this community really cracks me up. Is like a bunch of you showed up for free steak night at a restaurant, purchased every side item on the menu, and then complained for 3 months that the steak was a T-bone instead of a porterhouse and the side items cost too much. If you feel that you would not be happy playing with any of those clan mech packages under the current state of the game then simply don't buy them. In reality you all got everything that you paid for. If the clan collections cost too much money for you then tough dookie. That's how the world works. If you don't want to buy them by choice, then don't. Guess what- in the real world there are things that everyone would love to have but they can't afford. These sales are for people who have the money and don't mind parting with it. As for in-game features... if you don't like what's available, go somewhere else. I suspect CW and UI2.0 will be here sooner rather than later, but in the meantime we won't miss you if you decide to go be insufferable somewhere else. Want community warfare? Go play MegaMek on one of the many servers that are available. That is about as involved as CW can get. The sense of entitlement around here is ridiculous. Know what you're actually entitled to? What you bought (mechs, medallions, premium time, mc, etc).

There's that word again, entitlement. If anything PGI are the entitled ones. They aren't entitled to a ******* thing, including positive feedback about an obvious cashgrab and if they want money, they need to put out something people want to pay for, instead of just broken promises.

[RumbleT0T]

well.... if they wanna pull the plug... then so be it.

[FelixBlucher]

Ever get that feeling that someone is kicking a dead horse? I get that money will make more happen, but seriously, wait a few months between massive sales. Or at least come out with one of the major features between the massive sales. Then the community feels like they are getting something for their money, and are not just cash cows to be milked.
I get that programming is tricky, and that making a quality product takes time, but it still should be possible to come out with one feature after a sale. UI2.0 would be nice to have mainstreamed after the Phoenix sale. If I see that, and part 1 of Community Warfare, then we can talk about more money.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have several of these mechs. There are several iconic designs that I would love to have, simply because they are old favorites. But, the mixture of the lack of major new features, and the horrendous prices make me think twice about sending another cent your way.
I also do not like your pricing scheme, since you have the different mechs at different levels. I liked the Founders pricing scheme. I want to pay for the amount of mechs and extra features that interest me. Then be able to pick the ones I want. Of course, I will admit, the current pricing scheme makes sense, even if it is fiendish.

I really want to defend you guys, and say that you are better than The War Z, but these kinds of stunts are making it hard to do that.

[GalaxyBluestar]

CtrlAltWheee, on 14 December 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Agree. If people want a $500 mech, God bless them. Companies are within their rights to offer things that are expensive that not everyone wants.

bad timing and no integrity to back themselves up.

they have so little game to offer but wear a smily face for some concept art with a $500 tag next to it, except PGI have a proven track record of NOT being able to build the game, others like SC etc have a lot more proof going for them that they're building the game as they originally pitched. that's why this is an outrage.

this deal has all the makings of cut an run big time!

[Hexenhammer]

[xXBagheeraXx]

Wait a sec wait a sec...I just read the "balancing features" incoming on the clan weapons....

Nope nope nope nope

if any of that bullcrap is implemented, you wont get another dime from me PGI...

Yeah clan weapons make innersphere weapons obsolete....They are BETTER...that has always been the case Inersphere ran cooler and fired faster but clan weapons reached out further weight less and hit harder...that has always been the case if any of that nerfhammer bullcrap is implemented im done with this clusterfk....


Cant change the engine size and armor? or the internals?

PGI, plz go...

Edited by xXBagheeraXx, 14 December 2013 - 08:43 PM.

[DocBach]

Roadbeer, on 14 December 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

I'm with you to a point, but I do understand their pricing structure. You can get into an assault cheaper w/o having to buy the top tier.

It would have been awesome if one of the packs was the uller, black hawk, mad cat and daishi like the city tech 2 boxed set came with.

[Jack Gallows]

Mystere, on 14 December 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

That's $275 for one lousy ship.
Sure, you can "ride" it with your friends, if you had any.

On the other hand, the top-tier Clan pack gives you 24 mechs, whether or not you like them all of course.

Actually, what I got was: (in addition to a developer that delivers what they say the are on time and working)

Lifetime Insurance

Deluxe Silver Collector's Box

Spaceship-shaped USB Drive

CD of Game Soundtrack

Glossy Fold-up Star Map

5 Spaceship Blueprints

3 Inch Model of Spaceship

Hardback Making-of Star Citizen

Beta Access

Alpha Access

Squadron 42 Digital Download

Star Citizen Digital Download

Starting Money:10,000 UEC

Digital Star Citizen Manual


Thing is, I'd have put that much money in even without getting these items. I'm thinking of doing again in just the same amount of money to show my support. All this is just a bonus, I didn't actually have to buy a single thing except the game itself which is 60 dollars.

Don't have to spend money on Hero 'mechs or MC to buy more 'mech bays or to convert Global XP, etc, etc, etc.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 14 December 2013 - 08:46 PM.

[storm0545]

well damn dev team and pgi you might as well outsource to EA at this point and let them run this game for you. Granted it will die shortly after but hey its a mercy blow to this game compared to you guys running it into the ground.