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[UnLimiTeD]

Clans might be tempting, but only if they are balanced.
There's nothing more shale than an easy victory; If they manage to get good numbers and encourage honor-rules, I might look into it; I certainly like some of their tech (the exclusive one, not just the plain better versions of stock equipment), but it's no need.

However, it's unlikely, I absolutely don't buy their philosophy; Anyone sticking to an arbitrary and woefully unreasoned and inadequate "honor"-system is highly suspicious in my view;
Just look at people killing close relatives because they 'disgraced the family honor'; Compare it to those that to those that do it for money and power, say, paid by the mafia.
See who is better off afterwards.

While i can see the point in not killing a helpless enemy, who knows, the favor might be returned to me one day, what is honorable about one on one duels if you command double the firepower and the use of cover and tactics is forbidden?

PS: But in a decade, I might join the Blakists^^ ... just kiddin.

Edited by UnLimiTeD, 22 June 2012 - 05:34 AM.

[Roger Wildcat]

Nope, nope, nope, nope.

[Fl3tcher]

I have this feeling clan mechs are going to be available to anyone through the store (or however we buy new mechs) just unlock, buy and away into battle. I think the main difference will be expence and the ability to use omnimounts to mount any equipment of your choosing instead of being limited to weapon specific hardpoints.

IS did use captured Omni Mech afterall remember.

[Nih]

Seems to be a lot of Clan hate here, with the general consensus that leaving the Inner Sphere is a traitorous act.

Something I find interesting, giving the fact that the origin and existence of the Clans is far more noble and selfless existence then the constant civil war and strife of the inner sphere that forced away the bulk of the Star Republic military leadership in the first place.

That and the use of the "freebirth" moniker as applied to non-clans. As a caste type label, I don't think people of the Inner Sphere even fall within the proper usage. Not that the Clans (for the most part) particularly hated freeborn.

Anyway, this was my rant for "Depends". I like being part of the IS, but I have absolutely nothing against the Clans, on the contrary, I find their moral positioning superior.

[Mifun]

Nih, on 22 June 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Something I find interesting, giving the fact that the origin and existence of the Clans is far more noble and selfless existence then the constant civil war and strife of the inner sphere that forced away the bulk of the Star Republic military leadership in the first place.

Nope.

[Nih]

Mifun, on 22 June 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Nope.

K.

[feetjai]

I will not abandon my house and become a clan. There is no honor in that. You always stick with your family.

What I could do is salvage clan tech and use it. That's ok.

Edited by feetjai, 22 June 2012 - 08:36 AM.

[DreadDjinn]

BlazeKaiser, on 21 June 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Why not go half-half and be Wolf's Dragoons? they have the best of both worlds.

Would Wolf-in-Exile also work for those purposes?

[eldelbarrio2]

I will definately be a clanner. My gaming unit is known as Clan Jade Falcon, But until the clans appear, we will be under the mask of the Red Corsairs!

[A Fistful of CBills]

If the payout shows itself worth it, I will make the switch. The Ebon Jaguar platform calls my name in sweet, dulcet tones, though, if such a plat could be used serving the IS, and if the payout is preferrable, I would happily grab the hardware and stick with the IS.

[A Fistful of CBills]

Nih, on 22 June 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Seems to be a lot of Clan hate here, with the general consensus that leaving the Inner Sphere is a traitorous act.

Something I find interesting, giving the fact that the origin and existence of the Clans is far more noble and selfless existence then the constant civil war and strife of the inner sphere that forced away the bulk of the Star Republic military leadership in the first place.

That and the use of the "freebirth" moniker as applied to non-clans. As a caste type label, I don't think people of the Inner Sphere even fall within the proper usage. Not that the Clans (for the most part) particularly hated freeborn.

Anyway, this was my rant for "Depends". I like being part of the IS, but I have absolutely nothing against the Clans, on the contrary, I find their moral positioning superior.

Hatred as an emotion runs without reason. It may play ally to a cause but will generally sour what cause it attaches itself to. Do not expect rebuttals from those so dedicated to the houses or a specific clan to be particularly rich in reason.

The castes show themselves in different ways for the clans and for the IS, just under different outfits and disguises. At the end of the day, money speaks louder than the other voices because of the human fixation on greed and wealth, clan and IS alike fold to that same mistress, the almighty C-Bill. As much as I detest the idea of money, it is the means by which change or at least the illusion of it makes itself known. Money is also the means by which the old establishment may cling to its ideals in an ever-changing world. Clan or IS make no real difference in the end, all of them are slaves to a never-ending battle for resources, where their ideals are corrupted by hatred.

Brotherhood or contract you may find others who have your back in the fray of battle. Likewise, brotherhood or contract you will find those who will gladly stab you in the back. My rant for depends, I suppose, is that I will focus on the money which strings clan and IS alike like puppets and cut out the middle man. I am where the money is.

[Ikillzyou]

Oh yeah, if the Diashi becomes available to me I would switch to Clan in a heartbeat.

[roguetrdr]

Depends on who offers my lance the highest contract at the time

[Jukebox1986]

Kado, on 22 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Hatred as an emotion runs without reason. It may play ally to a cause but will generally sour what cause it attaches itself to. Do not expect rebuttals from those so dedicated to the houses or a specific clan to be particularly rich in reason.

The castes show themselves in different ways for the clans and for the IS, just under different outfits and disguises. At the end of the day, money speaks louder than the other voices because of the human fixation on greed and wealth, clan and IS alike fold to that same mistress, the almighty C-Bill. As much as I detest the idea of money, it is the means by which change or at least the illusion of it makes itself known. Money is also the means by which the old establishment may cling to its ideals in an ever-changing world. Clan or IS make no real difference in the end, all of them are slaves to a never-ending battle for resources, where their ideals are corrupted by hatred.

Brotherhood or contract you may find others who have your back in the fray of battle. Likewise, brotherhood or contract you will find those who will gladly stab you in the back. My rant for depends, I suppose, is that I will focus on the money which strings clan and IS alike like puppets and cut out the middle man. I am where the money is.

/sign
This is absolutely my thinking!

[PropagandaWar]

If they don't nerf them I will stay house. If they nerf them and my house sucks I may go Clan.

[A Fistful of CBills]

Janus Wealth, on 22 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

/sign
This is absolutely my thinking!

Better to just admit up front we are here for the money than to hide behind ideals that will end up twisted anyway. Though accepting the truth that something so dispicable a concept of money runs it all is a hard pill to swallow and painful to those of high morals, it surely puts things into perspective. I hate money but it will always control me as it controls us all.

[CCC Dober]

There is not a currency as such among the Clans AFAIK. In fact, Clan warriors find the concept insulting to get 'paid' like soldiers or mercenaries. It's a bit controversial since they are glorifying and despising their origins at the same time.
Honor, prestige, requisition, food, shelter, duty, tech or isorla could act as substitutes for such a concept if you are bent on finding similarities. It's a different culture with different rules to say the least. To judge them by Inner Sphere standards would not do them justice at all. Much less does it further understanding. Money is not the end all be all, least of all where Clans are concerned. Know thine enemy.

[PropagandaWar]

A side note while I like Clan Tech I like the challenge more. Hence the desire not to see them nerfed.

[Worchyld]

Ultimately you are Clan or you are not, this is what makes the whole BT universe so great.
As for my self I am a Summoner pilot, If I have to soar with the Jade Falcons to pilot one then thats where i will be

[Jukebox1986]

Kado, on 22 June 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Better to just admit up front we are here for the money than to hide behind ideals that will end up twisted anyway. Though accepting the truth that something so dispicable a concept of money runs it all is a hard pill to swallow and painful to those of high morals, it surely puts things into perspective. I hate money but it will always control me as it controls us all.

Hating Money? And you are really a mercenary?
It could be a fever, man! Better check that tomorrow, we need to be healty when we charge into battle.
Not to think of a good, fellow mercenary beeing killed by some pityful Clanner or House-pilot.
It would be a true shame...