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[Diego Angelus]

BOTA49, on 25 December 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

A bit over the top, but they could have done something much, much more interesting, fun, and original for a Clan introduction other than "Here are the mechs and their prices."

Yeah pathetic I know. We imagined many different scenarios for many different features from simple UI to impossible to make CW and we get worst scenario ever imagined for clans.

WARNING! ranting ahead use caution.

All I ever wanted from this game is it to get basic functionality and fair prices to start with and for a whole year it didn't moved at all in that department it just got worst. We don't even have a fing reconnect button (yeah ui 2,0 waiting since closed beta started) and we still get served {Scrap} with all those hero mechs and stupid packs that take spirit from game. Is it that hard to make those basic stuff I mean they launched game what are they waiting for? If game was in beta state It would be fine to wait for anything but that is not the case all I see is money grab in game that should still be in development stage. Why is it so hard for them to explain us situation and their reasoning behind all those decisions silence only proves worst scenarios and we are left to hope its not true. I hoped that after phoenix we won't see another money grab like that but imagine my luck **** just got ten times heavier.

[xhrit]

mint frog, on 25 December 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Now before you reply. I understand you're backed into a corner and the natural tendency for a brown knight such as yourself is to lash out and change the subject rather than to admit defeat.

So, nowhere in those links did he actually say the goal of CW was immersion, but you would rather lash out and change the subject rather than to admit defeat.
k.

[RG Notch]

xhrit, on 25 December 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

So, nowhere in those links did he actually say the goal of CW was immersion, but you would rather lash out and change the subject rather than to admit defeat.
k.

LOL I called it, never said the exact word he was looking for so he wins again by making his own rules up! I'd ask you what the goal of CW is but I don't give **** what you say because you've proven you aren't worth a moment's consideration. Be happy with being "right" that the magic word was never said. You "win" I guess. But he never said CW wasn't meant to be immersive did he? So I guess you actually lose. Since he didn't say that CW wasn't meant to be immersive you, by the rules you stated are wrong.

[RedDragon]

Guys. Go to your profile -> Forum Profile -> Edit my Profile -> Ignore Preferences -> Add new user to list
It's really not that hard and if you can't scroll over the posts of someone who is immune to logic without feeling forced to reply to them, it's the way to go for keeping the forum clean and your sleep calm. You can write what you want, he will always fail to see your point and argue just for the sake of arguing, so let it be, Nothing to see here, move along and discuss with people who are actually interested in a rewarding discussion.

I for myself wholeheartedly agree with the OP. It may be a bit too much to ask from PGI, but at least we could have had something. That's in fact the biggest complain I have with the way they introduce the Clans. Not the money, that is debatable, same goes with the Gold Mechs. But just throwing us some Clan mechs and call it "the invasion" is the most sucky thing they could have done. Not to mention it invalidates their whole concept for CW. Will we have border skirmishes as planned during the invasion? That's absurd. Or will we move forward in the time line after the truce of Tukayyid so they can go ahead with their plans for CW? Be as it may, it was a poor decision to launch Clans now.
We could have played CW for some good months with IS tech only and then there could have been a big event (or an event at all) with the Clans, changing CW to an invasion style of play.
But as it is, we have nothing serious yet and just add a new variable the Devs have no clue about how to introduce.

[xhrit]

RedDragon, on 25 December 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

We could have played CW for some good months with IS tech only and then there could have been a big event (or an event at all) with the Clans, changing CW to an invasion style of play.

This is exactly why it was not done like that. They would have had to make CW between IS houses, then throw it away to add clans. It is the same reason why they do not want to make clan weapons more powerful, because it would invalidate a large chunk of work.

RG Notch, on 25 December 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

LOL I called it, never said the exact word he was looking for so he wins again by making his own rules up! I'd ask you what the goal of CW is but I don't give **** what you say because you've proven you aren't worth a moment's consideration. Be happy with being "right" that the magic word was never said. You "win" I guess. But he never said CW wasn't meant to be immersive did he? So I guess you actually lose. Since he didn't say that CW wasn't meant to be immersive you, by the rules you stated are wrong.

I am not interested in what he did not say, but rather what he did say. You can base your opinions on things people did not say, but I would not exactly call that logical.

[RG Notch]

xhrit, on 25 December 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

This is exactly why it was not done like that. They would have had to make CW between IS houses, then throw it away to add clans. It is the same reason why they do not want to make clan weapons more powerful, because it would invalidate a large chunk of work.


I am not interested in what he did not say, but rather what he did say. You can base your opinions on things people did not say, but I would not exactly call that logical.

You can use the word logical but you clearly don't understand what it means. It's illogical to argue that CW wasn't intended to be immersive because he doesn't say the word. It's actually pedantic as pointed out before. That's what makes it fun pointing out the flaws in your "arguments". The first rule in getting out of a hole is to stop digging. But you clearly aren't interested in getting out and just keep on digging. So as virtually everyone else knows this, I'm perfectly happy to provide a shovel.
So dig away and use your "logic", it's the gift that keeps on giving.

[xhrit]

RG Notch, on 25 December 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

You can use the word logical but you clearly don't understand what it means. It's illogical to argue that CW wasn't intended to be immersive because he doesn't say the word.

So now you are arguing it is perfectly logical to to falsely attribute words to another?

Ok.

Edited by xhrit, 25 December 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[MechFrog1]

xhrit, on 25 December 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

So, nowhere in those links did he actually say the goal of CW was immersion, but you would rather lash out and change the subject rather than to admit defeat.
k.

Congratulations, you just wrote out the dumbest thing ever on the mwomercs forums. If a goal of CW wasn't immersion, all of those links I posted with developer quotes would have been much different. Screencapped your post to spread around the Internet. It's going to be quite funny for a very long time.

Thanks for the Christmas present.

Listen to this: Video starting at about the 5minute mark where Russ describes CW as the "Big Daddy" feature that everyone in the community is looking forward to. Again, it's the fan base's fault for building it up, right?

Then there's this fun little description of MWO that emphasizes the immersion of the game.

Before you chirp up with a, "Hey that's not official PGI position!" It's copy pasted text from PGI's website description of the game. http://piranhagames.com/#GAMES Where the exact word, "Immersion" is found.

Again, this is clearly the players reading too much into it and not the developers promoting the idea that MWO and the "big daddy" feature will be an immersive experience.

And if all that doesn't convince you that PGI has argued that CW will be an immersive experience, feel free to sit through the action-packed release party description of CW.


Don't say I didn't give you a chance to leave with a shred of dignity.

Just to summarize. You claim that PGI has never intended the community to expect CW to be an immersive experience, and any claim otherwise is just wishful thinking. The evidence shows, without a doubt that they have described their game as an immersive experience, and one of the most crucial pillars of that game will be CW.

Do you really want to continue bashing PGI with your idiocy? If so, you have a massive pair of brass ones to accuse me of attacking them.

Edited by mint frog, 25 December 2013 - 09:24 PM.

[xhrit]

mint frog, on 25 December 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Congratulations, you just wrote out the dumbest thing ever on the mwomercs forums. If a goal of CW wasn't immersion, all of those links I posted with developer quotes would have been much different. Screencapped your post to spread around the Internet. It's going to be quite funny for a very long time.

Thanks for the Christmas present.

You know you are grasping at straws when you wheel out the straw man of false attribution.

You: "PGI said the goal of CW was immersion"
Me: "No they never said that."
You: "Well PGI never said the goal of CW was not immersion, that must mean the goal of CW is immersion."

Logic fail.

[RG Notch]

xhrit, on 25 December 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

So now you are arguing it is perfectly logical to to falsely attribute words to another?

Ok.

Dig deeper, that warmth is the Earth's core. Like I said the gift that keeps on giving. Please enlighten use more with your pedantry. It's not my fault you want to "win" this debate by sticking to nonsensical points. PGI is never quoted anywhere as saying CW was not supposed to be immersive, thus you are completely and utterly without support for your position if one follows your "logic", the fact it makes no sense shows how your "logic" fails. You're the one arguing that CW wasn't meant to be immersive. Since PGI never said the exact words that CW wasn't meant to be immersive you have nothing to back your argument.
I can do this all day, unless you find a quote from PGI with the exact wording you used, you have to be wrong or you have to admit defeat. So like I said, stop digging. A bigger man would acknowledge the mistake, but I don't think that's you, so the best I would expect is to just go away. But I imagine you won't do that either and oh well, best start shoring up the sides of your hole.

[MechFrog1]

xhrit, on 25 December 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

You know you are grasping at straws when you wheel out the straw man of false attribution.

You: "PGI said the goal of CW was immersion"
Me: "No they never said that."
You: "Well PGI never said the goal of CW was not immersion, that must mean the goal of CW is immersion."

Logic fail.

Here's my actual quote, since you just did what you claim I did. LOL

mint frog, on 24 December 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

By PGI's measure, as they have stated that CW is intended to make the game more immersive. You claim that we should lower our standards or risk being disappointed. I'm sorry that you feel like you can just say whatever you want and then contradict yourself a few posts later, but don't assume that we're all too stupid to notice.

Again, if the game is intended to be an immersive experience, and the "big daddy" feature of that game is CW, how can anyone with a functioning brain argue that they aren't intending CW to add immersion to the game?

Seriously, this is just getting pathetic.

Here are your options at this point, in decending order of dignity.

1. Apologize to PGI for attacking them and then apologize to all of us who had to read your idiocy.
2. Leave without posting anything
3. Stay and make things worse for yourself until you eventually get banned for trolling.

Edited by mint frog, 25 December 2013 - 09:34 PM.

[Nekki Basara]

Man, them goalposts are a blur.

[xhrit]

mint frog, on 25 December 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Before you chirp up with a, "Hey that's not official PGI position!" It's copy pasted text from PGI's website description of the game. http://piranhagames.com/#GAMES Where the exact word, "Immersion" is found.

By placing the player in first person view of the cockpit.
Otherwise known as "Mech warfare", which is one of four distinct design pillars.

Clearly the other three design pillars have different goals - role warfare, designed to allow all mech classes to be useful, information warfare, designed to make scouting and locking targets important, and community warefare, designed for...

Mech warfare, was designed for and I quote, "everything to do with the combat of being in the cockpit, battling other mechs ... and how we can advance that and fully immerse the player like they have never been immersed before."

RG Notch, on 25 December 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

PGI is never quoted anywhere as saying CW was not supposed to be immersive

Is the mech bay immersive?

Is the chat window in the first person view?

Is your friends list designed to provide immersion?

Clearly you think so.

[MechFrog1]

So you've gone with option 3. How very predictable and disappointing.

[Silent]

Reported xhrit for being drunk.

[GODzillaGSPB]

BOTA49, on 25 December 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

A bit over the top, but they could have done something much, much more interesting, fun, and original for a Clan introduction other than "Here are the mechs and their prices."

"Here are the mechs and their prizes, clantech wont be much better (if at all) for balancing reasons". That's the full deal. ^^

It's like: "Here are the new Star Wars movies, but we scraped Jedis and space magic, it was over the top and imbalanced." xD

Edited by GODzillaGSPB, 26 December 2013 - 08:13 AM.

[xhrit]

GODzillaGSPB, on 26 December 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

"Here are the mechs and their prizes, clantech wont be much better (if at all) for balancing reasons". That's the full deal. ^^

It's like: "Here are the new Star Wars movies, but we scraped Jedis and space magic, it was over the top and imbalanced." xD

It's more like: "Here is the new Star Wars MMO, and at first the game was good, but then we allowed everyone to be Jedis and use space magic. Now everyone is over the top and our game is imbalanced." - Sony Online Entertainment, Star Wars Galaxies

mint frog, on 26 December 2013 - 03:09 AM, said:

So you've gone with option 3. How very predictable and disappointing.

So you avoided my question and changed the subject? How very predictable and disappointing. I am just glad that PGI designed the forums to be so immersive. I can almost feel the hate flowing through your keyboard.

Edited by xhrit, 26 December 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[Calon]

I always thought/wanted PGI do to something like this. But I had hoped they would secretly recruit top players who showed allegiance to the clans and have them crash 12v12 IS matches. A few stars against a drac v dav fight. The IS have a chance at winning but only if they join forces. Specific clans against specific factions. The frr might only be able to fight ghost bear whereas the other factions can still fight against each other.

But CW would need to be going. Clan tech ( invasion pack) could have been released. But in secret until the invasion started. Then let everyone who wants to join the clans but it.

Also you are either inner sphere or clan. You can create a second account (or are given 1 alt) and move your IS stuff over to it though.

Still possible, just won't be a nice surprise.

[MechFrog1]

Keep digging. It's hilarious.

[Felbombling]

The only problem I see with the original post would be the PGI staff getting 'Failed to find match' messages all week long.