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[Trauglodyte]

There are really only two Shawk builds. You're either running an XL with nothing but Streaks or you're running a standard with the biggest AC that you can fit. That is it for competitive builds (ie, 12 man matches for bragging rights and leagues - I don't run leagues so I won't speak on that subject). What works elsewhere, whether you're competitive or not, is largely irrelevant to what was requested. That is all that MWH is saying.

Now, if you want to discuss other Shawk builds, nobody is saying that what you run is awful. He is just saying that people aren't reading the purpose of this thread and are getting off topic. May not be saying it as nicely as possible but he's just trying to remind people to stay on topic.

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Trauglodyte, on 24 December 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

There are really only two Shawk builds. You're either running an XL with nothing but Streaks or you're running a standard with the biggest AC that you can fit. That is it for competitive builds (ie, 12 man matches for bragging rights and leagues - I don't run leagues so I won't speak on that subject). What works elsewhere, whether you're competitive or not, is largely irrelevant to what was requested. That is all that MWH is saying.

Now, if you want to discuss other Shawk builds, nobody is saying that what you run is awful. He is just saying that people aren't reading the purpose of this thread and are getting off topic. May not be saying it as nicely as possible but he's just trying to remind people to stay on topic.

Indeed. Thank you

[TehSBGX]

AC 20 / double ML with a standard 280 build is pretty sweet on the 2D2. It's like a flying hunchie 4G.

[cat97628]

so I have seen a ton of folks say that this is better than that or I am competitive running this but have yet to see anyone say I do this much damage, this much XP, and get this many C-Bills per match running this build. Competitive means nothing to me without solid numbers.

My favorite build in based around an XL350 with spead tweak I can do 113kph and can circle straffe the hell out of the heavies and assualt or chase down a spider if needed. I run 1 ERR PCC and a pair of SRM 6's I normally will do around 500 to 600 points of damage nearly 200k worth in C-Bills and about 1500 XP per match. I run with a premium account so your result will vary.

Edited by cat97628, 24 December 2013 - 09:22 PM.

[Corbon Zackery]

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Long range with the ER Large Laser streaks and AC 20 at short range.
SHADOW HAWK SHD-2H 56 31 25 1.24 41 34 1.21 15,836 66,730







Winner every time 1.24avg. and 41 kills 1.21avg. Bigger meaner better armed hunchback

In this case bigger is better.

Side note: Due to a manufacturing error no AMS is available for this build or I would probably dump a streak launcher and add it.

No I'm not putting ammo in the head or the legs unprotected were it will blow up the leg and transfer to the LT or RT and then the CT that you need to move or the head were the pilot sits.

You also need to lean to aim since you only have 14 shots with the AC 20.

Yep!

Edited by Corbon Zackery, 25 December 2013 - 08:53 AM.

[Escef]

Corbon Zackery, on 24 December 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

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No jump jets, even with tweak it's as slow as most stock heavies, under ammo'd, no BAP for the Streaks... You seriously get results out of this heap?

[Mcgral18]

cat97628, on 24 December 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

so I have seen a ton of folks say that this is better than that or I am competitive running this but have yet to see anyone say I do this much damage, this much XP, and get this many C-Bills per match running this build. Competitive means nothing to me without solid numbers.

My favorite build in based around an XL350 with spead tweak I can do 113kph and can circle straffe the hell out of the heavies and assualt or chase down a spider if needed. I run 1 ERR PCC and a pair of SRM 6's I normally will do around 500 to 600 points of damage nearly 200k worth in C-Bills and about 1500 XP per match. I run with a premium account so your result will vary.

The thing is, you don't want just any damage, you want focused damage on a specific component, which SRMs will not give you.

You need to bring the pinpoint weapons to make a big impact, and also know how to use them.

The meta builds you see in pugs don't really represent the ones you will see in 12 mans, since they generally know HOW to use them and aim properly.

Edited by Mcgral18, 24 December 2013 - 10:30 PM.

[Diego Angelus]

Mcgral18, on 24 December 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

The thing is, you don't want just any damage, you want focused damage on a specific component, which SRMs will not give you.

You need to bring the pinpoint weapons to make a big impact, and also know how to use them.

The meta builds you see in pugs don't really represent the ones you will see in 12 mans, since they generally know HOW to use them and aim properly.

Srms can hit specific location my 4SP with 2xSrm6+artemis can rip off arms side torsos with ease of course its little harder because range has to be ideal (and hit registration is a mess) to make those shoots but it can do its job. That Xl350 shawk build is bad it doesn't have ssrms to use that speed to chase lights. I would go for 4xssrm 2ML and add ac2 or ac5 and max armor. What damage you do in pugs doesn't mean anything even locusts can do good so why bother with those numbers.

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Wouldn't a shd-2d2 with 2 ppc and a ac/10 be fairly competitive? I mean I felt the cheese flow through my veins when I ran it and it wrekt the enemies pretty hard.

[Corbon Zackery]

Yep! I don't know why people are putting beagle active probes on there ShadowHawks maybe if I had a lot of LRM tubes. Doing that TAG laser thing with streaks does nothing.

Artemis is the way to go with streaks since it gives you a faster lock. Being next to assaults is not that bad of a issues since they present a bigger profile and suck up most of the damage while you give them a extra ac 20 and light mech protection in combat the lack of AMS means that you need to stay in the group for AMS protection anyway so speeds not a real issue. ER large laser why not its the only laser hard point might as well give it the best laser it can get.

Doubling up on cannons on a light or medium is a waste of tonnage 16 tons for 2 AC 5. Just put a 10 on it.

14 shots is fine for a match ammo explodes.

Edited by Corbon Zackery, 25 December 2013 - 09:06 AM.

[Escef]

Corbon Zackery, on 25 December 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

Yep! I don't know why people are putting beagle active probes on there ShadowHawks maybe if I had a lot of LRM tubes.

Because BAP cuts through ECM and lets you lock-on with your streaks. No one runs ECM in the games you're in? Damn near every drop I'm in there's at least 1 ECM Atlas or Spider. Often multiples of both.

Corbon Zackery, on 25 December 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

Doubling up on cannons on a light or medium is a waste of tonnage 16 tons for 2 AC 5. Just put a 10 on it.

Range, projectile speed, an AC crit only halfing your AC based firepower, Rate of Fire, and ability to swap to chain fire and maximize camera shake for the target. Lots of reasons to favor twin 5s over the 10.

Corbon Zackery, on 25 December 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

14 shots is fine for a match ammo explodes.

If you put it somewhere safe for a change you wouldn't have to worry about it, and could save the tonnage you waste on CASE and put it towards a bigger engine, another heat sink, more ammo, etc. Seriously, are you so slow and frequently stationary often enough that getting head shot is a normal occurrence?

Edited by Escef, 26 December 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[lsp]

Er ppc, ac20, std 250 2d, zombies like a cent(figure of speech), and kicks butt all over the universe. STill has jj, so you can really use cover to your advantage, even while brawling.
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Edited by lsp, 28 December 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[Gyrok]

mwhighlander, on 19 December 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Ok, first off -- ignore everything that people have posted above.
Except for Effectz and Feb, why?

NO ONE ELSE HERE has run in league matches where this shlt matters and have hands on experience

(Disclaimer: If I missed anyone, its because I just scanned through for people in "higher" brackets league units. Get a damn unit signature!)

From my personal experience in RHoD, Marik, Remnant Invataional, and breif sub-in with Proxis, etc.; here is what people generally run..


Shadow Hawk
AC20/PPC (STD250-260)
AC20/LL or 2xmLas (STD260-280)
2xUAC5 (STD250-260) [I've actually only seen a select few units run this a limited number of times]
4xSSRM2 + Whatever (XL 360)


Those are generally ALL that you're going to see. Some units do run 2xPPC/Ac5 variants with XL's, but ONLY in heavier drops where the game will boil down to a sniper battle. XL Shawks in Comp Drops are horrible in brawls due to those sides torsos.


Edit: Thanks Febrosian R Gilingham for more clearification below on armor/ammo placement.

Best of luck to your unit Fate 6

Umm...I have run *MANY* competitive matches in 12 mans in Clan Leagues...and dropped many times against many different units in normal 12 man matches as well.

Don't assume anything about your peers...you know what they say about people who assume right?

[JayVrb]

Mcgral18, on 24 December 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

The thing is, you don't want just any damage, you want focused damage on a specific component, which SRMs will not give you.

You need to bring the pinpoint weapons to make a big impact, and also know how to use them.

So you're saying that SRMs are also scrap in Leagues/Tournaments?

[Mcgral18]

Vrbas, on 29 December 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

So you're saying that SRMs are also scrap in Leagues/Tournaments?

With the current state of SRMs, absolutely. You'll see SSRMs on anti light builds, but almost no SRMs. The 2.0 damage also comes into effect, I imagine.

[JayVrb]

Mcgral18, on 29 December 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

With the current state of SRMs, absolutely. You'll see SSRMs on anti light builds, but almost no SRMs. The 2.0 damage also comes into effect, I imagine.

I seem to have great damage being recorded for my 3xSRM4/3xSRM6 builds... granted I save the SRMs for Heavy and Assault mechs usually.

[Gaan Cathal]

Vrbas, on 29 December 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

I seem to have great damage being recorded for my 3xSRM4/3xSRM6 builds... granted I save the SRMs for Heavy and Assault mechs usually.

Asides from the unreliable hit detection on SRMs, it's worth pointing out here that not all damage is equal. If it was, the LB-X would, y'know, good. To take an extreme example, the Altas DDC with 2xLB-X10 and 3xSRM6 - these builds (in PUGs) put out big, big damage numbers over a match and thus seem very impressive. In actuality they contribute less to a kill than a 30+ pinpoint damage build piloted by someone who can aim. You just don't get enough shots close enough to guarantee significant single-compartment damage. I'd much rather someone dropped the 56-damage alpha with a higher ROF for a 30 damage dual-(ER)PPC mech, presuming they can aim well enough to consistently hit the same compartment.

If they did 2.5 damage/missile and had decent hit detection (or maybe one of the above) massed SRMs might be worth it for close-range alpha-blat against large mechs, certainly for a long time it was worth it for me to run one with a ton ammo in my Raven exclusively for rear-armour shots against assaults.That was several meta-s ago though, when the Raven was decent and rear-armour shot opportunities were fairly regular, and even then it was strictly an opportunity weapon.

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