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#41 Sandra McCrow

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:30 AM

Well in case anybody's having trouble with any of the griffin chassis - there is a lazy build that works well on all of them - alrm30+tag+2MLs on a xl300. It still has a bit of speed and if you do not let them catch you al alone - is capable of dishing out a pretty damage. Kill flow with it is inconsistent, but on a number of maps you can find sweet spots to rain hell. I am also considering of going down to aLRM20+ERPPC... well... considering... for 3M it would work well.

#42 Armored Yokai

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:30 AM

I love them
i now dubbed the shadowhawk the "Weakhawk" because of them.

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:49 AM

View PostBromineberry, on 22 December 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

I really, really hoped for a 55-ton Hunchback SP, i.e. good torso twist, non XL-friendly, more or less symetrical loadout....but the hardpoints are so, so, soooo bad in my eyes, that none of the mechs is worth looking at.

WVR-7K, It's a jumping SP all day long.

#44 N a p e s

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 09:15 AM

Haven't played the wolverine much but I'm totally in love with the Griffin. All the variants have been really fun and I especially appreciate how nimble these things feel.

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:04 AM

View PostBromineberry, on 22 December 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

good torso twist, (...) more or less symetrical loadout....but the hardpoints are so, so, soooo bad in my eyes, that none of the mechs is worth looking at.


the WVR-7K would like a word with you. honestly, you were hoping for a 4SP lookalike, but can't appreciate a mech with similar hardpoints, same torso twist ability, higher possible speed *and* jumpjets? you make no sense.

#46 Arnold J Rimmer

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 05:01 AM

View PostCementblade, on 22 December 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

i now dubbed the shadowhawk the "Weakhawk" because of them.

Say that to a Shadowhawk pilot's face! :unsure:

They're good, yes. I've been having a blast with them. But the SHD just... is.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 05:59 AM

I love both mechs. Griffin probably has better hardpoints.
But i have nearly elite all them now with bery little stress.

Wolverine 7k is a bit dodge tho.

#48 Victor Morson

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 06:15 AM

Both are wildly inferior to the Shadow Hawk. There is zero reason to take them over a nice Shawk right now, at least for most cases.

I think you could do an OK SRM/LRM boat out of one Griffin that might outperform the Shadow Hawk one slightly, but that's it.

Edited by Victor Morson, 30 December 2013 - 06:15 AM.


#49 Arnold J Rimmer

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 06:37 AM

I decided to get my Griffins out of the way first; having looked at the hardpoints, I figured they'd be the harsher grind.

Now, I'm not sure if it's just because I'm a better brawler than support pilot, but the GRF-1S I have set up as an SRM brawler is my most effective variant... by a clear margin. Honestly wouldn't have seen that coming.

And, to echo Victor Morson above - every time I see a Shawk bearing down on me in my Griffin, I flinch. The other way round, I laugh.

#50 sabujo

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 06:50 AM

At the beginning I was highly disappointed with both models, especially regarding the main weapon hardpoints being to easy to tear apart. That was until I realised that I should explore more options that didn't used that damned right arm (mostly the Griffin, due to it's large arm profile). The Griffin as a missle boat is fantastic, especially the Hero version. My build has LRM15+2xLRM5,1xML, 1xTAG, Artemis, BAP, XL280. It's a C-Bill printing machine! All the Counter ECM, spotting and overall damage, gives you a true bump in C-Bill earnings. With premium time, I find to be easy to earn 200k to 270k, and sometimes reaching 300k per match.

Also, the Griffin torso twist range is simply pornographic. I can't remember when was the last time I got confused in battle regarding where my legs were pointing. After the elite x2 in place, we can lock missles on a target chasing us.

The Shadowhawk is a superior all-round mech and a better ballistic platform due to the placement of it's hardpoints. But the Griffin seems to excel when we bring missles in.

Also, having expendable arms is quite good. Most people target there first in hope to disarm their opponent. That ensures survivability, especially when running XL engines.

Those are my two cents.

Edited by sabujo, 30 December 2013 - 06:54 AM.


#51 Elyam

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 08:01 AM

More than happy to take on SHawks in the GRF. Which is better is based on pilot fight preferences: higher constant DPS or higher agility. Once the AC-favoring meta is balanced out a bit, this relationship should still remain the same for these two mechs.

#52 NRP

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:06 AM

I'm having a better experience with the Griffins than the Wolverines.

While solid mechs, I don't think either is quite on par with the Shadowhawk. Not far off though, but the Sabers are pretty easy to disarm.

#53 JayVrb

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 01:04 PM

I built a Wolverine and got excited about it... then I realized I had the exact same, proven build on my Shadowhawk... and the Shadowhak doesn't fit the profile of a 55-ton Awesome.

The Griffin? Shoot, I'm having super-big happy-funtime with this nonconventional build.

Grifftard
XL275
2 Large Laser (1 ER)
2 SRM 4 (2 tons)
2 SSRM 2 (2 tons)
BAP
5 JJ
Near Max Armor

I know it's a jack of all trades, but I've been doing really well in it. Slowly close with the Large Lasers (or hang back), identify weaknesses and hammer with the SRMs, and swat the flies! Spreads damage well like a Shawk, and all around fun to pilot in my opinion.

#54 DrnkJawa

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 02:40 PM

Dont want to start a new thread but i noticed alot of GiRaFfes running around with medium lasers and LRM15s. Could anyone be nice enough to link their setups or explain to me whats their goal and purpose?

#55 Arnold J Rimmer

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 02:51 PM

View PostDrnkJawa, on 30 December 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Dont want to start a new thread but i noticed alot of GiRaFfes running around with medium lasers and LRM15s. Could anyone be nice enough to link their setups or explain to me whats their goal and purpose?

Fast LRM support, without having to manage the heat from a PPC. In the TT/lore, that's what the GRF was built for; sniping from the edges with missiles and long-range energy weapons. High speed and JJ's make it easy to translate that to MWO.

#56 DrnkJawa

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 02:57 PM

View PostArnold J Rimmer, on 30 December 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Fast LRM support, without having to manage the heat from a PPC. In the TT/lore, that's what the GRF was built for; sniping from the edges with missiles and long-range energy weapons. High speed and JJ's make it easy to translate that to MWO.

Well speaking from personal experience a properly fitted HBK 4J can hold its middle finger up like a chalice while making a GRF cry uncle, but then again running into another medium these days is a rare sight so i gues i can see the advantages of GRF lore and ingame wise

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:02 PM

View PostDrnkJawa, on 30 December 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Well speaking from personal experience a properly fitted HBK 4J can hold its middle finger up like a chalice while making a GRF cry uncle, but then again running into another medium these days is a rare sight so i gues i can see the advantages of GRF lore and ingame wise

Depends on relative loadouts, I guess. 1-on-1, all other things being equal, I'd usually expect a Griffin to overcome a Hunchback - it's faster, jump-capable, potentially better armed and armoured... As ever, it comes down more to pilot skill than chassis. My .02c-bills. :)

EDIT: and re rarely seeing other Mediums... it's all I run. Tend to see them fairly often. Jack-of-all-trades, represent! <_< Hope to see you on the field.

Edited by Arnold J Rimmer, 30 December 2013 - 03:05 PM.


#58 DrnkJawa

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:06 PM

View PostArnold J Rimmer, on 30 December 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

Depends on relative loadouts, I guess. 1-on-1, all other things being equal, I'd usually expect a Griffin to overcome a Hunchback - it's faster, jump-capable, potentially better armed and armoured... As ever, it comes down more to pilot skill than chassis. My .02c-bills. :)

EDIT: and re rarely seeing other Mediums... it's all I run. Tend to see them fairly often. Jack-of-all-trades, represent! <_< Hope to see you on the field.

I gues, not that many skilled medium pilots left anymore...well ones not using cookiecutter setups anyways

#59 Arnold J Rimmer

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostDrnkJawa, on 30 December 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

I gues, not that many skilled medium pilots left anymore...well ones not using cookiecutter setups anyways

True. I'd hesitantly call myself one, though... if only through lack of competition :)

#60 DrnkJawa

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:12 PM

View PostArnold J Rimmer, on 30 December 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

True. I'd hesitantly call myself one, though... if only through lack of competition :)

Dont worry, if PGI delivers on its promiss of weight limits for MM then we will be jokers turned kings





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