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[Dirus Nigh]

I've been a large advocate for in game voice sense I started in CB.

I have also made the analogy of third party voice to hacking. I was not clear that I was trying to make a point in my last post about voice chat. So I'm scrapping that comparison. It just comes across as a hard line accusation.

In essence of player need a 3rd party program to get the proper quality of play out of your game, then the developers made a huge mistake. A team oriented game like MWO, BF, COD, LoL, WoT, and many more require clear and easy voice communications.

Not all games have bad voice coms. Battlefield 2 and 2142 had great voice com systems. They also had a way to mute problematic players. It is the standard on which I judge other games buy.

The goal for any game that requers groups of people to cooperate should be to make TS3 unnecessary. It would be a benifet to have for every one. Merc units would be able to talk to general pugs and make themselves known. It will allow them to gain members easier. It will help take down the barrier between casual players and competitive players. Out side of Steel Jaguars, and the Wolf Spiders, because of JagerIIX and Centurion, I have no idea what other merc units are doing. They are completely segregated from the rest of the community.

If PGI wanted to do voice coms right, they should listen to both the casual, and competitive players to see what they want from vioce chat. Then design a system that would work for both.

Edited by Dirus Nigh, 20 December 2013 - 05:51 AM.

[Damocles69]

Yes there will be trolls. It is human nature to be god awful to each other. However, voice comms in a game like this are 100% need.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 19 December 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

yea ok

those "elitist" premades have been calling for in-game voip since CB.

We have also been encouraging PUGs to use the sponsored TS3 servers since then also. I PUG a lot. I accept the Silence and have since day one (before joining Murphy's).

[Sandpit]

JohnnyWayne, on 20 December 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

No. I've been told these by these idiots I'm talking about, that they don't want ingame voip BECAUSE there is ts. Don't tell me what other people said to me, you weren't even there.

I never said YOU are. I said exactly this people are. And I say, as long as there is no real ingame voip, I don't consider this game as fair matching when randoms and premades are grouped together.

P.S.: I don't give a **** about ToS. The effect you achive is the same and that is what bugs me.It is just a accepted exploit of a broken matchup system.

I've seen it. I've seen the posts you're talking about. Show me an example. Citation needed.

Join TS. Don't join TS. Those are your options.

Show me someone that has said "We don't want in-game VOIP"

If you manage to find one I guarantee you they're in a very small minority.

You posted being a dbag and judging from this very thread, you're wrong. Stop talking about "evil premades". Join TS if you want comms. Don't join TS if you don't want comms. It's that simple. We don't ahve in-game voip so there are your options. I'd rather have CW first personally but in-gam voip is top 3-5 features this game needs.

lol "I dont' care about ToS"
Well, unfortunately for you, PGI does. You have the exact same opportunity to jump on TS as every other player in this game. You choose not to use it then, then talk about how thsoe of us that do are some sort of "evil cheaters". Get over yourself sir.

I gave up trying to be reasonable with the "look! it's a premade! let's get em!" crowd months ago.

[JohnnyWayne]

Sandpit, on 20 December 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

I've seen it. I've seen the posts you're talking about. Show me an example. Citation needed.

Ingame statements of the silent majority n stuff. No srsly I had a lot of discussions ingame about it. As Dirus Night said, the argumentation of exploiting is kind of fanatic and thats what I chose to get the discussion running.

I even got teamkilled ingame for pointing it out and im still contacting the support everytime I see that guy ingame.

I won't stop "talking about "evil premades"". Premades are the thing that is hindering my progress in ELO ranks, because I can't kill them alone with a bunch of idiots in my back that don't see whats happening around them. Matchmaker that balances elo by arthmetical average is a joke and throwing in randoms with pugs is even worsening it.

The only exception I make to this is playing with friends that I brought to MWO. And even these are leaving because of premades (I usually don't have more than 3 players in a group, btw).

In the last time I haven even considered joining a community hub, just to execute my revenge against every premade I met >:-(.

Just to make it clear: I care about right or wrong and I won't let other make my opinion on what is and what not. Gaining an advantage about someone just to kick his arse is wrong.

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In the end, this game needs ingame voip. And we all agree on that. That's nice. What we need now is, that PGI realises that. They pointed out that this matter has low priority due to the use of 3rd party voip services by players*. Not only that even if they did something, no one could tell how much effort they'd put into it.

Personally I think a proper voip / comm patch for MWO would include:

• Muteable players (and that easy and quick to access and not just for a single match)
  
• A commo rose
  
• Structured communication (Lancemember can talk into lances, lanceleaders / Commander into company)
  
• An option to munity against higher ups via player decisions

Someone got more ideas?


*Well, if you like it or not even IF you want ingame voip, people that use external ones are slowing it down I have no source at hand though. Was in some ATD I think.

[Sandpit]

JohnnyWayne, on 20 December 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Ingame statements of the silent majority n stuff.

I won't stop "talking about "evil premades"". Premades are the thing that is hindering my progress in ELO ranks,

So you can't provide any citation. Except maybe one dbag. Ok....

It's not the "evil premades" hindering your progression in ELO ranks........ The sooner you understand that one in particular the sooner you might be able to climb those ladders.

The sad thing is, if you'd drop the whole "evil premade" QQ and looking for a scapegoat and boogeyman you'd see that most of the support you're getting in this thread is from those "evil premades" you're trying so hard to vilify.

[JohnnyWayne]

No but I have a witness how hard I have been flamed and these statements were among them.^^

The thing that is hindering me is the organisation of the other teams and the lack of mines. Besides of my own stupidity from time to time of course, but that is nothing I rant about in the forums for obvious reasons. ^^
You may think differently but it is what I have experienced when I did 4 man drops with friends (2 times or so). We totally annihlated anything it was laughable and almost boring. One person commanding targets locations and information of 4 players together. If you can manage that you will just ROLL over anything out there, except other high elo premades (different topic).

I appreciate your support and I always have encouraged premades to fight in the forums with me for ingame voip. The result is what I said. Back then I didn't even argue about exploits. People just didn't want to lose their advantage with said arguments. It was not a single ******, no. It was just the strongest example.

Listen, I accept that you see things differently, it's ok. Just be aware that besaid persons are also out there. If you are not among them just don't feel insulted.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 20 December 2013 - 10:10 AM.

[Jon Gotham]

JohnnyWayne, on 19 December 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

IN b4 ******** elitist Premades that fear this will take their advantage.

I was going to say something nice about your op...but now? Please grow up. We are not elitist but merely people who decided to not play alone, spend 30 mins sorting out ts and saying "hello guys" for that first time.
What is elitist about that? I'd call that social?

But on topic....
As long as we can turn it off utterly if we want and not be bothered in anyway, shape or form by it AND anyone who whines that no one listens to them or is not using it gets immediately silenced then absolutely good idea!

[JohnnyWayne]

Please read the last few posts before you post on something that has been discussed for 1.5 pages. Do you as a premade player fear to lose your advantage? No? So you want integrated voip? Then everything is fine.

I never said all premade players, I said these who fear for their advantages over others.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 20 December 2013 - 12:11 PM.

[xMEPHISTOx]

JohnnyWayne, on 20 December 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Please read the last few posts before you post on something that has been discussed for 1.5 pages. Do you as a premade player fear to lose your advantage? No? So you want integrated voip? Then everything is fine.

I never said all premade players, I said these who fear for their advantages over others.

You could have avoided all the heated argument and trolling if did not include

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PostJohnnyWayne, on 19 December 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:
IN b4 ******** elitist Premades that fear this will take their advantage.

in your statement. That is just inviting trollism and angry responses to your original post as you singled out a great many people. Diplomacy and wording goes a long way on gaming forums.

[JohnnyWayne]

Diplomacy? Its called strategy.

If people read the op they just think "great another one" and leave. If they read through the first posts and someone set up a statement like this, they will stay if they feel adressed.^^

It probable held also away certain premade players (the ones I adressed).

This is a pvp community and therefore you must act as a member of it. I read a topic where the "high elo ggclose" players replied... God, what I did is nothing.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 20 December 2013 - 03:22 PM.

[Bagheera]

This thread is so July 2012.

[Sandpit]

JohnnyWayne, on 20 December 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

No but I have a witness how hard I have been flamed and these statements were among them.^^

The thing that is hindering me is the organisation of the other teams and the lack of mines. Besides of my own stupidity from time to time of course, but that is nothing I rant about in the forums for obvious reasons. ^^
You may think differently but it is what I have experienced when I did 4 man drops with friends (2 times or so). We totally annihlated anything it was laughable and almost boring. One person commanding targets locations and information of 4 players together. If you can manage that you will just ROLL over anything out there, except other high elo premades (different topic).

I appreciate your support and I always have encouraged premades to fight in the forums with me for ingame voip. The result is what I said. Back then I didn't even argue about exploits. People just didn't want to lose their advantage with said arguments. It was not a single ******, no. It was just the strongest example.

Listen, I accept that you see things differently, it's ok. Just be aware that besaid persons are also out there. If you are not among them just don't feel insulted.

There's trolls I'm sure

My point is you coming in here with the "evil premades ruined my game and they're cheaters" is no different than a troll griefing you for asking for VOIP in game. That's my point.

[Ariana Rifkin]

How about it is push to talk. Maybe one of those Useless stupid binds like "Shift = Toggle Arm Lock". As an easy way to mute unruly, obnoxious, and troublesome players you hold tab and a cursor appears. Each of your teammates has a button to mute/unmute next to their name. Have a separate section of the menu for setting Transmit/Receive levels and a method for testing them in the options menu. Also can have options in the Keyboard settings to set a key to speak to lance mates only and a key to speak to the entire team (like Shift for lance, ctrl for team). Of course, for all the people who claim to have had issues with VoiP before, there will be an option to turn it off in the settings. VoiPs will bring a new competitive edge to pugs, no doubt about it. There will be trolls, children, and straight up jerks, but in my experience when a few puggers start communicating seriously, magic happens and the baddies are a small price to pay for that. With a good system set up, this could really improve the game ten fold. I don't think it's necessary to make this the #1 priority, but it is a good step in making the game(You just lost)/teams function at it's their max potential

[Roadbeer]

[LauLiao]

JohnnyWayne, on 19 December 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

I have pointed it out many times and noone could awnser this: Whats the difference between aimbot and voip?

Because voip allows you to do something, aimbot does it for you. Voip allows you to communicate, however, if you are a lousy communicator, or have poor situational awareness, your communications won't really offer any advantage.

You can make the arguement "Well anyone can learn to communicate" in which case I'd make the argument that "everyone can learn to aim too".

Bottom line is that Aimbot automates your play, voip expands it.