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[A banana in the tailpipe]

What else does 40 damage a pop? (with a little bit of luck from the crit gods) Dual LBX10s

"But lockwood..... the pellets are too spread out to make a difference."

Not when you cram them into a HBK with low 30> ping so convergence is pinpoint. Then add the new map where they can't hear it going BOOM into the equation, and I've been accused of hacking more times last week then the past year of playing.

If I can down a Phract in 3 salvos, Atlas in 5... before they even realize what's going on well, you get the picture. Tonnage limits... lol. I've literally "one shotted" shadowhawks and cicadas with well placed shots.

On the subject of cheese builds, I feel ashamed for using them but I've had enough tarts, spiders, and LRM5 streamers I can handle. It's time to fight fire with fire.

Beware any HBK you see. They could be a BOOMBACK ready to end your match in a heartbeat. This is a warning to PGI that once again.... allowing players to cram any weapon into any slot on a mech is a BAD THING, and even the HBK (among several other mechs) should only be allowed to configure certain hard points in a semi-realistic manner.

[OneEyed Jack]

Yeah... I'll not be fearing any 50 tonner packing 22 tons of weapons, that then need ammo, in a 50-tonner with a Std engine. If you manage to get me at close range, I deserve it for giving you the chance to waddle up.

[Turist0AT]

smurfy link?

[A banana in the tailpipe]

OneEyed Jack, on 29 December 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

Yeah... I'll not be fearing any 50 tonner packing 22 tons of weapons, that then need ammo, in a 50-tonner with a Std engine. If you manage to get me at close range, I deserve it for giving you the chance to waddle up.

The fact players don't fear me is what gets them "two shotted", or "one shotted" if I land a cockpit blow and the crit gods lend me some favor. I have to play smart, use cover, and players definitely deserve it. It's not really an issue getting into range depending on the map.

The purpose of this thread is what while I see so many others crying about AC/20s, there's plenty of other threats out there that mimic the same result they should be aware of. Also, there's the critical issue of being able to boat components all into single parts of a mech's chassis. The icing on the cake... if I want to spray your face with double impact buck that gryo you bought to stop it isn't going to be worth jack. We've already tested it among our group and you get major cockpit shake at 300+, crippling shake -150 even with gyros to the point he player is practically helpless.

Turist0AT, on 29 December 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

smurfy link?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c38557ecc3e9804

Keep in mind it's a mech for advanced play for someone who desires the appropriate reward for the risk involved. Once your hunch is gone that's it so learn to twist like chubby checkers baby. That said... you will turn people into confetti before they know what happened. Faster than boom jagers because your rate of fire is double and heat is non existent. I almost always run out of ammo before a match ends unless I'm the one who makes the first mistake. Even with the hunch gone you can still zombie around and rack up some decent damage.

Edited by lockwoodx, 29 December 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[Khobai]

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What else does 40 damage a pop? (with a little bit of luck from the crit gods) Dual LBX10s

Dual LBX10s CANT do 40 damage.

An LB10X does 10 base damage and has a x2 crit damage multiplier. Even if all 10 pellets get a x3 crit the most you can ever do is 10 * 2 * 3 = 60 component damage. 15% of component damage is added as a bonus to internal damage. So the most you can possibly do is 10 + (0.15 * 60) = 19 internal damage (or 38 with dual LB10Xs)

Youre better off with an AC/20 anyway. AC/20 is way better at critting components.

Edited by Khobai, 29 December 2013 - 07:48 AM.

[OznerpaG]

optimized - still too slow, but it's faster

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=1&l=8eb5f9de512886a94c4954547e659fe0924185ad

[Henry Morgan]

Turist0AT, on 29 December 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

smurfy link?

Edit: nvm, OP posted the link and answered my questions

Edited by Henry Morgan, 29 December 2013 - 07:39 AM.

[Henry Morgan]

JagdFlanker, on 29 December 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

optimized - still too slow, but it's faster

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=1&l=8eb5f9de512886a94c4954547e659fe0924185ad

Not sure I'd want to run that with such a weak right side. Right arm shield is pretty much gone with only 1 armor there. And only 2 armor on the Right Rear torso, which is where the only real weapons are. Speed is nicer to add some survivability, but that right side looks like an easy kill.

[Raso]

lockwoodx, on 29 December 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

The fact players don't fear me is what gets them "two shotted", or "one shotted" if I land a cockpit blow and the crit gods lend me some favor.

This. This is what gives mediums an edge. People are so quick to write them off that they'll often focus on something ot someone else. But 4 medium lasers is 4 mediums lasers and and AC20 is an AC20 weather it's stuffed in a Hunchback or a Jagermech.

You want to be almost totally invisible to the naked eye? Pilot any medium and stand next to a Highlander, Stalker or Atlas. Nine times out of ten you may as well not eve be there...

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Use your arms as blockers son. Stick and move! More speed isn't needed honestly because nobody considered a HBK a threat. The 4 rear armor on the hunch side is because like the exhaust port on the death start only someone using the force is going to hit you, and usually they aim for the big honking hunch anyways.

As for 2lbx10s not doing 40 damage? Tell that to the fools who crumple faster than a prom date who drank the punch. Your rate of fire and lower heat MORE than make up for it, not to mention superior range, cockpit shake, and intimidation power.

Try it for yourself. Pilot it like a turtle who sits in his shell until the player isn't looking then extends a giant cannon. You'll be surprised by the results and how effective DualLBX forced through 1 barrel can be. I get great mileage running mine off tears.

Edited by lockwoodx, 29 December 2013 - 08:26 AM.

[OznerpaG]

Henry Morgan, on 29 December 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Not sure I'd want to run that with such a weak right side. Right arm shield is pretty much gone with only 1 armor there. And only 2 armor on the Right Rear torso, which is where the only real weapons are. Speed is nicer to add some survivability, but that right side looks like an easy kill.

i didn't touch the OP's armour allocation except to remove arm armour and add leg armour


not the same model, but i run this - i think this does a much better job at doing the same idea. 39 alpha, fast, and relatively hard to overheat

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...18f59fff2178e1e

[kesuga7]

lockwoodx, on 29 December 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

The fact players don't fear me is what gets them "two shotted", or "one shotted" if I land a cockpit blow and the crit gods lend me some favor. I have to play smart, use cover, and players definitely deserve it. It's not really an issue getting into range depending on the map.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c38557ecc3e9804

ohh man id definitely give that build a try ..
if i hadn't sold all my hunchbacks except the 4p for mechbay space

I used to run dual LB 10x on my orion when i still had it and that thing was surprisingly dam effective

The higher rate of fire and heat is better then a ac 20 but it certainly wont be as popular due to it not being able to one hit destroy/damage badly single componets as easily but the dual lb 10x builds deserve more wub wub

[Ghogiel]

When LBX aren't **** let me know.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Ghogiel, on 29 December 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

When LBX aren't **** let me know.

This is exactly the kind of attitude behind why I nicknamed my HBK "David".

The only ones who are going to denounce the OPness of DUALBX through 1 tube are elitists who can't run anything but bloated heavies/assaults, and they still tumble like dominos for the most part even in 1vs 1 situations.

I'm giving PGI fair warning that if they allow players to continue to abuse the mech bay by cramming excessive parts into unintended slots, you're going to have builds like mine absolutely wrecking people then go blaming it on FoTM builds on the forums or worse, leaving for greener pastures.

Edited by lockwoodx, 29 December 2013 - 08:51 AM.

[NRP]

The only Hunchback I pay attention to is one that carries an AC/20. Target Info Gathering module is your friend.

It's strange to me how so many people seem to love the LB 10-X. I've never had any success with them. I find the AC/10 to be better in just about every way. Did PGI do a stealth buff on the LB that I don't know about?

[A banana in the tailpipe]

NRP, on 29 December 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

The only Hunchback I pay attention to is one that carries an AC/20. Target Info Gathering module is your friend.

It's strange to me how so many people seem to love the LB 10-X. I've never had any success with them. I find the AC/10 to be better in just about every way. Did PGI do a stealth buff on the LB that I don't know about?

If you only use 1LBX10 then yes, it's quite ****. Even dual LBX on my jager is poor due to the spread. Forcing both shots through 1 tube is where the HBK shines. I've run it for a solid two weeks now with huge success and the mech should be honestly be adjusted so it can't fit both into one shoulder but hey... like I said there's enough cheese builds out there I've had enough and it's time to fight fire with fire until PGI learns a 6 month patch cycle isn't going to cut it.

Edited by lockwoodx, 29 December 2013 - 08:54 AM.

[NRP]

Well, if it's effective than I say "Good!".

Quite frankly, I'm tired of everyone referring to effective builds as "cheese" and then crying "Nerf!!!". This game needs more effective builds, not fewer.

[TercieI]

NRP, on 29 December 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Well, if it's effective than I say "Good!".

Quite frankly, I'm tired of everyone referring to effective builds as "cheese" and then crying "Nerf!!!". This game needs more effective builds, not fewer.

Indeed. This isn't one.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

NRP, on 29 December 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Well, if it's effective than I say "Good!".

Quite frankly, I'm tired of everyone referring to effective builds as "cheese" and then crying "Nerf!!!". This game needs more effective builds, not fewer.

I'm totally with ya there. "good builds" and "cheese builds" are subjective tho.

I use to run a well rounded jager, 1ac2 to keep heads down off the ridge line, 4 LRM5s for some range support, 2 MLs for medium punch with no heat, speed, or armor problems. A total "team player" mech built to support. I get laughed at because I'm in a heavy and not doing 500-700 a match. Instead I'd do around 300ish and consider that decent because I was focused on the win not kills. Not anymore baby.

The HBK is a GLASS CANNON. If you 1 vs 1 something, even an Atlas, you will leave it dead/crippled but you'll be done too. Let me repeat that... DEAD or CRIPPLED vs a mech twice the tonnage. I call it a cheese build because it rips through anything in a few shots, not to mention the cockpit shake leaves players helpless even with a gyro. It's a kill or be kill build designed to make the LBX "feel" like it has the PUNCH it should, but sadly I have to cheese people in order to do that. All I can say is try it for yourself, and you'll have a blast... literally! HA!

People will mistake you for using an AC40 and scream at you in chat. Just put another notch on your torso and consider it a job well done.

Edited by lockwoodx, 29 December 2013 - 09:12 AM.

[Lykaon]

kesuga7, on 29 December 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

ohh man id definitely give that build a try ..
if i hadn't sold all my hunchbacks except the 4p for mechbay space

I used to run dual LB 10x on my orion when i still had it and that thing was surprisingly dam effective

The higher rate of fire and heat is better then a ac 20 but it certainly wont be as popular due to it not being able to one hit destroy/damage badly single componets as easily but the dual lb 10x builds deserve more wub wub

I still have an Orion with 2 LB10X and 2 Lrg Lasers with 11 DHS and a 275 engine.

I am thinking using this Orion build may be a nice trainer for the Hunchback.It shares some characteristics (both guns on the RT) so some of the piloting techniques translate.