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[FupDup]

Mister Blastman, on 07 January 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

I love when my picture is put to good use! Well done, sir!

Were you the one who made the original steering wheel underhive image? All I know is that Roland is the one who added the yellow LBX text to it.

[Mister Blastman]

Bagheera, on 07 January 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Someone needs to incorporate the fishing rod controller into that someday.

Not a bad idea... Hmm... I should do that.

[Lightfoot]

Fewer loadout options equals fewer reasons to play MWO.

What makes MechWarrior great is all the diverse, yet effective loadout options. Battletech's balancing makes them all viable. PGI seems to be removing them one by one. AC20 is not badly nerfed, but you won't hit moving targets at 400 meters anymore.

Anyway, PGI, you need more workable loadout variety in MWO. Your sauce is mighty thin right now and balance is no better, just limited.

[Rubidiy]

PGI thinks that nerfing evreything is a good way to balance things as they want them to be. Once again they are nerfing everything in favour of chosen weapon type just because they want to. They never saw a multiplayer being massively abandoned because developers kept nerfing and nerfing every other weapon untill using any of it was no fun.

[krash27]

Bagheera, on 07 January 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't take credit.

I laughed so hard, this is awesome stuff guys, keep them coming!

[FupDup]

Lightfoot, on 07 January 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Fewer loadout options equals fewer reasons to play MWO.

What makes MechWarrior great is all the diverse, yet effective loadout options. Battletech's balancing makes them all viable. PGI seems to be removing them one by one. AC20 is not badly nerfed, but you won't hit moving targets at 400 meters anymore.

Anyway, PGI, you need more workable loadout variety in MWO. Your sauce is mighty thin right now and balance is no better, just limited.

Diversity is indeed a great thing, and we need a lot more of it in MWO, but I don't think that Battletech's balancing achieved that. In TT, your choices for most fights were the PPC, Medium Laser, and Gauss Rifle. Some other weapons like the AC/20 has situational uses, but most of them were simply not worth it much of the time. BT was horribly skewed in favor of only a handful of weapons.

Edited by FupDup, 07 January 2014 - 10:57 AM.

[Jaguar Prime]

I'm still sitting here scratching my head about this change. The weapons that need adjustment aren't touch while those that are fine are adjusted.

Truthfully, The changes don't really affect me. I rarely touch my Highlander's or Misery. It's just the idea of fixing what isn't broken.

[Mister Blastman]

FupDup, on 07 January 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Were you the one who made the original steering wheel underhive image? All I know is that Roland is the one who added the yellow LBX text to it.

Yeah, I made it. Boy that was a fun morning searching through all the bus driver images out there. I still have all the templates I used so I can make it with any background I want among other things.

I give idea credit to Vassago, though. He's the one who coined the term Steering Wheel Underhive™ .

Edited by Mister Blastman, 07 January 2014 - 10:57 AM.

[jper4]

the LBX makes a cool sound when it's fired. i've learned that from spectating. that's all i've got.

[OneEyed Jack]

It's just absolutely baffling, that out of all the issues, this is their idea of balancing.....

But, on the other hand, it is interesting to watch people come up with justifications to defend it.

[RichAC]

I've been hearing alot of complaints about poptarts lately, so I'm not surprised. They are pretty OP especially in long range battles. But I saw them mostly dominating 12 mans. In pugs they did not feel as prevalent. Those ac/20 ac/10 ppc highlanders and shadowhawks in the 12 man drops are now nerfed. Back to ac/5s ppc's cataphracts?

I wonder how much this will affect the ac40 jagers? I've been complaining how they hit me across the map, and I've been seeing them so much this past week, that i just made one today! haha.

Edited by RichAC, 07 January 2014 - 11:04 AM.

[Wrenchfarm]

Ridiculous.

I remember back at the start of OB when the AC20's speed was around 600, it was horrible. Even up close you had to lead so much that accuracy seriously suffered. Forget about targeting specific components, you'll be just trying to get the shot to land.

Was the AC20 really that bad? At least it required people to come into mid to close range to fight. Now there is NO reason not to plink away from half the map away with multiple AC5s and PPCs.

[Trauglodyte]

Welp, I'm ok with it if not just a little perplexed. Anything to diminish the number of 20s that were out there isn't a bad thing, especially when they were being used all wrong. I'll go back to my AC5 setup on my Victor so this doens't bother me. I guess that I just don't get it. Who out there actually thought that the AC10 was that terrifying? I mean, other than the random AC10/Md Lasers Jager/K2 builds, did you ever really see anyone building a mech around the sole use OF the AC10? At open beta, I tried my hardest to build my CDA-3M with an AC10 but that never worked right. I honestly can't think of a primary build set around it.

Edited by Trauglodyte, 07 January 2014 - 11:05 AM.

[FupDup]

Mister Blastman, on 07 January 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

Yeah, I made it. Boy that was a fun morning searching through all the bus driver images out there. I still have all the templates I used so I can make it with any background I want among other things.

I give idea credit to Vassago, though. He's the one who coined the term Steering Wheel Underhive™ .

I can't seem to find Vassago's old picture of "Mount Tryhard" will all of the Elo tiers on it. Damn.

[Joseph Mallan]

RichAC, on 07 January 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

I've been hearing alot of complaints about poptarts lately, so I'm not surprised. They were pretty OP even in long range battles. But I saw them mostly dominating 12 mans. In pugs they did not feel as prevalent at all. Those ac/20 ac/10 ppc highlanders and shadowhawks in the 12 man drops are now nerfed.

I wonder how much this will affect the ac40 jagers? I've been complaining how they hit me across the map, and I've been seeing them so much this past week, that i just made one today! haha.

A touch more lead on the target....

[MustrumRidcully]

FupDup, on 07 January 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Fishing rod underhive? Sounds legit.

Underhive is already taken, I don't think we can use it again. (I know, even if I might have been one of the first to use the term, I think it's wrong, because it lacks the bit of extra inspiration that "Underhive" brought to the Steering Wheel.)

Fishing Rod Elo Bracket? (because people like the term Elo bracket so much, maybe as bonus write Elo as ELO)
Fishing Rod Pond?
Fishing Rod League?

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 07 January 2014 - 11:07 AM.

[Goose]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 January 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

If they are Silent... How does PGI KNOW what they want?

NASA Brand® Telemetry: Just watch the Sum Total Elo Bell-curve change shape as new gambits come into vogue …

[Mister Blastman]

Tanar, on 07 January 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

the LBX makes a cool sound when it's fired. i've learned that from spectating. that's all i've got.

FupDup, on 07 January 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

I can't seem to find Vassago's old picture of "Mount Tryhard" will all of the Elo tiers on it. Damn.

Oh lord. That was classic.

[DeadlyFred]

MustrumRidcully, on 07 January 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

No, AC/20 heat was lowered and both weapons projectile speed have been increased before, past Closed Beta.


People talk mostly generally about ballistic as imbalanced, though. That might explain the AC/10, even if it wasn't deemed the most effective option for ballistics by anyone. Weird that they overlook the AC/5, though.

I suppose they can only ever change 2 lines per xml-file per update, or something.

Most of why Ballistics are imbalanced have to do with. A.) Effing screen shake. B.) Heat makes lasers much less potent by comparison. I'm not even going to harp on "front-loaded damage" or anything else. Getting knocked around like a sock in a dryer while under fire is ridiculous. I'm in a 20-100 ton warmachine with gyroscopic stabilization, this should not happen. Then yeah, the comparison to energy weapons. I like and prefer energy weapons and even I have started using more ballistics simple because I can actually use them reliably and not have to stock 20 DHS on every mech in order to not overheat every five seconds.

[Joseph Mallan]

Goose, on 07 January 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

NASA Brand® Telemetry: Just watch the Sum Total Elo Bell-curve change shape as new gambits come into vogue …

WHY does this bring dirty thought to mind???