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[DjPush]

Ok.. From the information that I have gathered in your posts it doesn't seem to matter what kind of setup you have for this game because you all have about the same results regardless of whether or not your CPU is AMD or Intel . My new rig gets 30-50 FPS in heavy combat and environment (depending on the map) so I guess that is normal. Seeing how DX11 hasn't been implemented and in other games I get frame rates between 60 and 150 I doubt its my CPU bottle necking my GPU.

Fan boys need to bring some facts before they start gobbing about how awful AMD is. Sure they aren't as powerful but I'm pretty satisfied with the FX8320 (at stock speeds) and the GTX770 makes the other games look pretty freakin amazing! I just think this game isn't optimized yet for today's cards and drivers. thanks for the info guys! See you on the battlefield!!

[R E A V E R]

80 to 100 during match
50 to 70 heavy activity
Playing 1980x1024 on ultra detail.

Chassis: P375 SM
Video: Crossfire 8970m ATI
Mem: 16 gig ram
CPU: Intel Haswell i7



and its a LAPTOP and its ATI Radeon

Edited by Hammur, 11 January 2014 - 08:53 PM.

[Durant Carlyle]

DjPush, on 11 January 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Fan boys need to bring some facts before they start gobbing about how awful AMD is. Sure they aren't as powerful but I'm pretty satisfied with the FX8320 (at stock speeds) and the GTX770 makes the other games look pretty freakin amazing! I just think this game isn't optimized yet for today's cards and drivers. thanks for the info guys! See you on the battlefield!!

AMD isn't awful. They are, however, most definitely weaker. They have been for several generations now. It takes either more cores or a much higher overclock from AMD to equal the performance from Intel. Both Intel and AMD are concentrating more on built-in GPU performance than on actual CPU horsepower, even in the processors that will be coming in the next year or two.

Read on:
The Tech Report
Hexus
HotHardware
Bit-Tech
The Guru of 3D
Tom's Hardware
AnandTech
...and I'm sure there are more.

Fanboys, eh? The facts have been shown. AMD has been weighed. They have been measured. And they have been found wanting.

Perhaps in another generation or two they can again equal or exceed Intel's performance at the same clock speeds. They have done it before...

Edited by Durant Carlyle, 11 January 2014 - 09:29 AM.

[DjPush]

Thanks for the material! I will be reading up on this. I have no doubts that intel is better, Im just saying AMD will work just fine for gaming and shouldn't be so discouraged. Not to mention you can overclock the hell out of them. I have also read that CPU cores are now using multi thread technology to make cores even faster. However, game developers are not yet utilizing this technology in game design. From what I am seeing in this thread and the variety of CPU's paired with their GPU's there isn't a whole lot of difference in performance. I've come to the conclusion that the way the game is programmed right now is the reason I'm not getting the desired frame rates and my choice in equipment was not a poor decision.

[ApolloKaras]

DjPush, on 11 January 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

Thanks for the material! I will be reading up on this. I have no doubts that intel is better, Im just saying AMD will work just fine for gaming and shouldn't be so discouraged. Not to mention you can overclock the hell out of them. I have also read that CPU cores are now using multi thread technology to make cores even faster. However, game developers are not yet utilizing this technology in game design. From what I am seeing in this thread and the variety of CPU's paired with their GPU's there isn't a whole lot of difference in performance. I've come to the conclusion that the way the game is programmed right now is the reason I'm not getting the desired frame rates and my choice in equipment was not a poor decision.

You'll see a small difference in real world experience, outside of watching/drooling over benchmarks you won't see much difference if you were to switch over into a Core i7 sandy/ivy/haswell etc. You should be satisfied don't let the fan boys tell you otherwise lol.

[Sen]

You know, it's funny, someone on page 1 mentioned how CPU bound this game is, and how it takes a heavily overclocked i5 or i7 to increase FPS. . . and yet if you watch task manager you'll often see it uses less than 40% on every core it's using.

For the record, 4770k @ 4.4Ghz
Evga GTX780 Ti SC

80-140 FPS, gets down into the mid 60s when I either forget to turn on fan profiles or have twitch stream running.

I've seen it drop down to 58ish once or twice.

[Rex Budman]

Smokeyjedi, on 11 January 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

M5A97EVO (custom vrm cooling)
FX8350 8threads@ 4.96ghz @1.486V
8gb DDR3 @1587mhz 8-7-8-24 @1.56V (rated CL7 1333)
zotac amp gtx760 2gb @ 1246core 1727(X4)mhz gddr5

start 90-110fps differs on maps
mid match 50-60fps
in brawl 40-60fps
1680X1050@67hz refresh.

You should be getting much more performance than that...

[Smokeyjedi]

Rex Budman, on 11 January 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

You should be getting much more performance than that...

http://mwomercs.com/...ds/page__st__20 LOL, not really. its pretty much maxed out for this board/cooler......FSB becomes unstable past 238mhz limiting me to 238X21 or 4998mhz with 8threads. I can boot 2 cores 4 threads past 5.2ghz but that is just silly compared to 8threads @ 4.7ghz+ I have tried everything from core parking to thread affinity.

[Thorqemada]

Most People that have high FPS also have lowered some Settings and do not Play on complete "Very High".
Shadows, Postprocessing is lowered, configs may have been tweaked, also they have probably disabled any energy saving settings and run in Maximum Performance Mode.

On my FX8350 + R9 280X (no OC, energy saving on) i get 45 to 95 FPS on untweaked very high @ 1920x1200 with some lows down to 35 FPS in heavy combat situations - Vsync will cap you at 60 FPS.

Edited by Thorqemada, 11 January 2014 - 10:49 PM.

[DjPush]

I dont get the whole CPU dependant thing. AMD system monitor only shows 5 of 8 cores actually running durring the game on my FX8320(performance setting 3.8Ghz) and a total of 30% usage of the CPU during the game. I average about 50 to 60 fps on max settings. I have a GTX770 graphics and the two seem to kill every game but this one.

Edited by DjPush, 12 January 2014 - 06:52 PM.

[Catamount]

DjPush, on 12 January 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

I dont get the whole CPU dependant thing. AMD system monitor only shows 5 of 8 cores actually running durring the game on my FX8320(performance setting 3.8Ghz) and a total of 30% usage of the CPU during the game. I average about 50 to 60 fps on max settings. I have a GTX770 graphics and the two seem to kill every game but this one.

CPU load and the ability for a CPU to execute a program at a given speed are two completely different things. Often, not all CPU resources are able to be utilized for execution in multithreaded situations, and the potential for that to happen increases more and more as you increase the chip thread count more and more.

If you used that FX8320 on Skyrim, you might find only one core active, and 15-20% usage, at best, yet still be CPU-bottlenecked at times. If you ran a copy of Superpi through a larger test you would absolutely be limited to a single core, yet absolutely be CPU-bottlenecked. It's just the nature of software in multithreaded situations.

Edited by Catamount, 12 January 2014 - 07:46 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

DjPush, on 12 January 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

I dont get the whole CPU dependant thing. AMD system monitor only shows 5 of 8 cores actually running durring the game on my FX8320(performance setting 3.8Ghz) and a total of 30% usage of the CPU during the game. I average about 50 to 60 fps on max settings. I have a GTX770 graphics and the two seem to kill every game but this one.

There is a program called Priffinity2 I have used in the past (when 8350 was @ 4.5ghz) to allocated all 8 threads to MWO, I havent had this program since i built my rig into a new bitfenix ghost case added a 750W 80+ cert PSU added custom VRM cooling,fan controller and GTX 760 LOLOLOLOL i guess i know what im going to do tonight, maxing this 8core out on MWO...........to the bleeding edge i go, will post some results........http://www.bbses.inf...nitty/index.htm

Edited by Smokeyjedi, 12 January 2014 - 08:03 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Need MOAR time, I clearly noticed a difference tonight running 8 threads @ 4736mhz or 237X20, (my new 24/7 OC)........so juicy and stable...... ill run this test @4.0ghz(stock) and 237X21 for 4977mhz on 8 threads and test affinity selection thoroughly for tangible gains for some non overclocked AMD fx 8*** users.....

[DjPush]

I sent in a support ticket asking if there was a way to get better frame rates. PGI says that this game is not optimized for high end gaming systems. They assured me that they are working on it. They said that 30-40 fps is well within operating standards for the game's design.