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[Shadowglade]

So, I notice this a lot. In Skirmish mode, why do people threaten to report people for refusing to die and continuing to fight (and win) even if they are the last one standing on their team?

It seems kinda foolish to threaten to report someone for griefing just because they are kicking your butt in a match and you don't like it and they refuse to come out and stand still for you to kill.

What is the point? Isn't the whole point of the mode is to fight until everyone is dead? So why get so upset when someone is continuing to fight and do a good job of it?



Example: Was just in a match on my spider and a number of the enemy mechs left were cored and I was running around taking shots at them. Ran into a full (nearly so) Cataphrat and ran circles around them and cored them and got threatened with a griefing report for fighting.

And I have to say, I was rather pleased with my own team, for a change no one did Team Treason in the match on me, to my team: Thank You.



Edit Reason: I'm a horrible speller apparently in desperate need of sleep.

Edited by Shadowglade, 17 January 2014 - 05:49 PM.

[MandyB]

Because they are whiny and don't like to lose?

[Roadbeer]

This is news to me, if you were fighting, there should have been no gripe.

If you were powered down and hiding waiting for time to run out to save your KDR, or just grief, that's reportable.

[cSand]

^^^ What MandyB said ^^^


So let em report you. It's not like you're running off and hiding in a corner (which is super lame thing to do) Just take satisfaction that you're pwned them bad enough to make em cry

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

People love to preserve their worthless KDR by hiding and wasting everyone's time.

Other people are far too salty and suffer from severe cases of but t hurt.

Mixing both people together causes all sorts of entertainment!

Edited by mwhighlander, 17 January 2014 - 05:58 PM.

[Zerberus]

Because skirmish is where the egos go to reign freely and not worry about things like tactics and teamplay, so by default it`s also where the crybabies go because they think they can have everything their way.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Roadbeer, on 17 January 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

This is news to me, if you were fighting, there should have been no gripe.

If you were powered down and hiding waiting for time to run out to save your KDR, or just grief, that's reportable.

It actually is not reportable as long as they initially engaged in combat. it does not fall under non-participation either.

Egomane - has cleared this issue up by saying "So if you run and hide without ever engaging, that is non-participation. If you fight to the best of your abilites and hide when there is no way for you to win anymore, that is perfectly fine." in this thread.

[Wintersdark]

Keep in mind "threatening to report someone" for something that's not a reportable offense is so ridiculous it doesn't even bear thinking about. It's a completely empty threat - even if they did report you, nothing would happen. Even if you where hiding and _not_ trying to fight anymore, nothing would happen (as stupid as that is). So, just take such threats and put them where you put the rest of the bs spouted by people in matches.

As long as you did engage earlier in the match, you've fulfilled your obligations as written right now.

And, if you're actively fighting? Good on you.

Quite honestly, I hope more people do run and hide, and force other surviving players to just stand around doing nothing (because they can't disconnect without forfeiting rewards). That'll speed along the process of stopping that behavior.

[Jay Kerensky]

Zerberus, on 17 January 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

Because skirmish is where the egos go to reign freely and not worry about things like tactics and teamplay, so by default it`s also where the crybabies go because they think they can have everything their way.

You Obvioulsy have no idea about Skirmish. This is the mode where tactics and teamplay are essential as there is no get out of jail free card by base capping or just playing the race and survive game of conquest. But then cappers will cap 'cos they can't battle worth sh*t anyway. Glad we finally have a mode where the argument - "it's a valid tactic" can't end a game after 2 minutes when a bunch of light morons step on the cap.

I've also see a match where a surviving Spider on our team successfully killed four partially cored mechs (some worse than others) to win the game. He did an awesome job and won the match. No one gave him anything but respect - on both sides.

[Zerberus]

Jay Kerensky, on 17 January 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

You Obvioulsy have no idea about Skirmish. This is the mode where tactics and teamplay are essential as there is no get out of jail free card by base capping or just playing the race and survive game of conquest. But then cappers will cap 'cos they can't battle worth sh*t anyway. Glad we finally have a mode where the argument - "it's a valid tactic" can't end a game after 2 minutes when a bunch of light morons step on the cap.

I've also see a match where a surviving Spider on our team successfully killed four partially cored mechs (some worse than others) to win the game. He did an awesome job and won the match. No one gave him anything but respect - on both sides.

You obviously don`t have a clue what I think or how I play, are are also apparently challenged by reading comprehension.

1. I have over 500 skirmish matches, and a positive w/l ratio in them
2. I said absolutely nothing about the mode itself, but merely commented on the type of player it attracts in greater number than the other modes.

But your hard-on for skirmish has apparently deprived your mind of so much oxygen that anyone that doesn`t have a raging hard on for the mode is someone bashing the mode, even if that`s not what they`re talking about but merely tangential to the statement.

Ironically, your behavior came astoundingly close to proving that statement true, so you may want to get a grip on yourself before you wind up ******* in your own cornflakes.

Edited by Zerberus, 17 January 2014 - 10:33 PM.

[Jay Kerensky]

Zerberus, on 17 January 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

You obviously don`t have a clue what I think or how I play, are are also apparently challenged by reading comprehension.

1. I have over 500 skirmish matches, and a positive w/l ratio in them
2. I said absolutely nothing about the mode itself, but merely commented on the type of player it attracts in greater number than the other modes.

But your hard-on for skirmish has apparently deprived your mind of so much oxygen that anyone that doesn`t have a raging hard on for the mode is someone bashing the mode, even if that`s not what they`re talking about but merely tangential to the statement.

Ironically, your behavior came astoundingly close to proving that statement true, so you may want to get a grip on yourself before you wind up ******* in your own cornflakes.

So from calling Skirmish

• the place where egos' reign freely
  
• (players) not having to worry about tactics or teamplay
  
• Where crybabies go....

I'm supposed to deduce how you think and play?

God forbid, I have taken this out of context and didn't factor in how you think and play.

Perhaps a brief biography may be in order so I can make more valued constructive critisim in the future, however, I probably won't be able to read much of it due to my problem with reading comprehension

And how the hell do you know I like that on my corflakes?

[Savvage]

i hate it more when its your own team doing it **** like "dude you suck for being alive" usually from people who ran head first into like ... i dunno game balancings 2 lances of assaults

[EvilCow]

The only change Skirmish requires (and would be useful for Assault and Conquest as well) is to mute dead players. They should be able to chat only among spectators.

Chat would be restored for everybody during the final score screen.

[Junkman7mgte]

EvilCow, on 18 January 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

The only change Skirmish requires (and would be useful for Assault and Conquest as well) is to mute dead players. They should be able to chat only among spectators.

Chat would be restored for everybody during the final score screen.

No, not only no, but hell no. You are asking for premades with voice coms, to get another advantage with that statement. While it's still not equal footing, everyone should have a - way - to communicate at all times.

[fluffypinkbunny]

How... how does a premade with voice coms get any sort of advantage, from stopping DEAD people from talking to live ones?

[Junkman7mgte]

fluffypinkbunny, on 18 January 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

How... how does a premade with voice coms get any sort of advantage, from stopping DEAD people from talking to live ones?

You are a special one eh ? I'm not on voice, yet, I'm in spectate mode. If I can't type in team chat, so I can help the guy I'm spectating get assistance from "our" team mates, I'm at a major disadvantage to the guy on voice coms, that can, and will, relay that same type of information, because .... you guessed it .... He can, while I can't. While alive, I can type well enough to not need voice, cut me off because I'm dead .... I'll move on to a game that you can't do that, unless you have a way to stop the guy on TS.

[Zerberus]

Jay Kerensky, on 17 January 2014 - 11:30 PM, said:

So from calling Skirmish

• the place where egos' reign freely
  
• (players) not having to worry about tactics or teamplay
  
• Where crybabies go....

I'm supposed to deduce how you think and play?



God forbid, I have taken this out of context and didn't factor in how you think and play.

Yes, that is exactly the point, you have absolutely none of the information needed to make a qualified statement such as

Jay Kerensky, on 17 January 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

You Obvioulsy have no idea about Skirmish.

Good to see that at least some people are capable of learning from their mistakes, even if they don`t realize it and prefer to post an arrogant non-rebuttal as a result.

Edited by Zerberus, 18 January 2014 - 02:42 PM.

[Roland]

If you are running around to fight, then there's nothing they can report you for anyway.

If you run off and hide, just to avoid engagement, then you could potentially face some penalties.

[Lukoi Banacek]

GRiPSViGiL, on 17 January 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

It actually is not reportable as long as they initially engaged in combat. it does not fall under non-participation either.

Egomane - has cleared this issue up by saying "So if you run and hide without ever engaging, that is non-participation. If you fight to the best of your abilites and hide when there is no way for you to win anymore, that is perfectly fine." in this thread.

Not that I disagree with the substance here but Egomane does not represent PGI outside being a forum moderator right? His words are not the gospel of the matter. If a PGI rep says the same I would consider it a truly clarified issue. Until then it is just one more interpretation of a somewhat contentious point.

[Roland]

Yeah, Egomane's not actually an authority. His opinion doesn't actually matter.

If you disengage and run off to shut down and hide, then you're basically just trolling... which puts you in violation of the TOS.

Just report those folks, and let PGI deal with them. PGI probably won't actually do anything though.