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[Craig Steele]

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

This is one might be a good example of teh lulz stacked. If that one was closely matched averaged Elo between the teams I really want to know how low those randoms are on my team to drag the average down so that all those mediums and the 2 trials on the other team get matched to LORDS assault mechs.

Looks like a game everyone would have throughly enjoyed, 24 people with fond memories right there.

[Sandpit]

In other words, as with most of the "factual stuff" on the forums. It's a guess. Granted you can make an educated guess but it's still not something you can base sweeping changes to the game on.

and multiply by 5 or 10? That's a HUGE difference there....

[Nick Makiaveli]

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 07:39 PM, said:

Ask IGP employees over drinks and they will tell you.




Only irrelevant players wouldn't agree that pretty much all LORDs are in the high Elo ranges.

Regardless of whether we know their actual numbers, most decent players know who are the high Elo players.

So since I don't know the LORDS, I guess I am irrelevant, so I suppose nothing I say is important.

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

This is one might be a good example of teh lulz stacked. If that one was closely matched averaged Elo between the teams I really want to know how low those randoms are on my team to drag the average down so that all those mediums and the 2 trials on the other team get matched to LORDS assault mechs.

I thought tonnage wasn't applicable to the MM, therefore it had nothing to do with it.

That said, if the MM is having a hard time making a match, it expands the limits.

Lastly, one single example is the epitome of anecdotal evidence.

But what the **** do I know, I'm irrelevant.

[Ghogiel]

Nick Makiaveli, on 27 January 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

So since I don't know the LORDS, I guess I am irrelevant, so I suppose nothing I say is important.




I thought tonnage wasn't applicable to the MM, therefore it had nothing to do with it.

That said, if the MM is having a hard time making a match, it expands the limits.

Lastly, one single example is the epitome of anecdotal evidence.

But what the **** do I know, I'm irrelevant.

Most players have no idea who the good players in the game are so don't feel bad.

[Deathlike]

Nick Makiaveli, on 27 January 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

So since I don't know the LORDS, I guess I am irrelevant, so I suppose nothing I say is important.

Well, you're fortunate in some ways. Don't worry... once you meet them, you've "reached" a new level of play.

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I thought tonnage wasn't applicable to the MM, therefore it had nothing to do with it.

Tonnage is applicable, but it's literally the first thing to be ignored down the road. ELO matters first and foremost.

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Lastly, one single example is the epitome of anecdotal evidence.

There's more where that came from.

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But what the **** do I know, I'm irrelevant.

It could be better than being on an island!

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

Most players have no idea who the good players in the game are so don't feel bad.

Sure, that's why we have certain players that hate on the premades for no logical reason. Meta mechs? Not a problem. Premade? DIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Craig Steele]

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

Most players have no idea who the good players in the game are so don't feel bad.

I would argue this point on principle.

Most players do know who the good players are, they see their name right after "You have been destroyed by ....."

[Ghogiel]

Deathlike, on 27 January 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

Sure, that's why we have certain players that hate on the premades for no logical reason. Meta mechs? Not a problem. Premade? DIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!

Not all premades are equal.

The W/L and KDRs of these players are probably a lot better than most imagine. 4 good players + 8 scrubs are rolling 2-3 moderately successful 4 mans and/or a mix of good and bad solo players since days of yore.


people talk of 10 losses in a row, now imagine going like 50/3 on a good night. Yeah that's what is happening.

[Craig Steele]

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

Not all premades are equal.

The W/L and KDRs of these players are probably a lot better than most imagine. 4 good players + 8 scrubs are rolling 2-3 moderately successful 4 mans and/or a mix of good and bad solo players since days of yore.


people talk of 10 losses in a row, now imagine going like 50/3 on a good night. Yeah that's what is happening.

you win 50, lose 3? I don't get your argument?

Unless all your wins are stomps and not entertaining?

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Anyone who thinks the matchmaker in this game has ever worked correctly is delusional.

[Roland]

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

Not all premades are equal.

The W/L and KDRs of these players are probably a lot better than most imagine. 4 good players + 8 scrubs are rolling 2-3 moderately successful 4 mans and/or a mix of good and bad solo players since days of yore.


people talk of 10 losses in a row, now imagine going like 50/3 on a good night. Yeah that's what is happening.

What's ridiculous is that in that screenshot, you had TWO of your lances sync-dropped, right?
And both running all assault mechs?

Or you weren't even together and it just happened to dump you on the same team.

But then that just highlights the ultimate terribleness of the matchmaker.. because you could have easily just swapped ONE of those lances to the other team... and BAM.. balanced game. Or at least a game that wasn't so bad.

I believe that the matchmaker currently has some major flaw with how it "fills up" the teams. It doesn't seem like it actually grabs a bunch of folks and then splits them evenly.. probably due to issues with trying to fill slots.

Instead, it seems like it probably grabbed both your lance and Kaffe's, and then was like, "Who else is playing right now at this elo?..... noone. Hmm. Ok, let's grab this derp lance. Ok, now let's just throw whatever is closest onto the other team.. ok, balanced!"

[Ghogiel]

Roland, on 27 January 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

What's ridiculous is that in that screenshot, you had TWO of your lances sync-dropped, right?
And both running all assault mechs?

Or you weren't even together and it just happened to dump you on the same team.

But then that just highlights the ultimate terribleness of the matchmaker.. because you could have easily just swapped ONE of those lances to the other team... and BAM.. balanced game. Or at least a game that wasn't so bad.

I believe that the matchmaker currently has some major flaw with how it "fills up" the teams. It doesn't seem like it actually grabs a bunch of folks and then splits them evenly.. probably due to issues with trying to fill slots.

Instead, it seems like it probably grabbed both your lance and Kaffe's, and then was like, "Who else is playing right now at this elo?..... noone. Hmm. Ok, let's grab this derp lance. Ok, now let's just throw whatever is closest onto the other team.. ok, balanced!"

Unless Prof is, none of alpha lance is LORDS. Alpha and Bravo were 3mans with a random thrown in. Only syncing by accident. We played against LORDS 5 times that night and ended up on their team twice. The other time we ended up together they had some better players on the other team that time but it was a 12-0 roll anyway.

The matches against LORDS were intense and all came down to the last couple players. Eglar and Carnage were on my team earlier for 3 of them and they were on point that night.

Edited by Ghogiel, 27 January 2014 - 09:23 PM.

[Roland]

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Unless Prof is, none of alpha lance is LORDS. Alpha and Bravo were 3mans with a random thrown in. Only syncing by accident. We played against LORDS 5 times that night and ended up on their team twice. The other time we ended up together they had some better players on the other team that time but it was a 12-0 roll anyway.

The matches against LORDS were intense and all came down to the last couple players. Eglar and Carnage were on my team earlier for 3 of them and they were on point that night.

So it's really weird that the matchmaker would have chosen to put you both on a single team, especially in the game shown there... because simply by switching one of the lances to the other team, you'd have a far more even tonnage balance, all Elo considerations aside.

Part of the problem too is the mere existence of a champion Highlander.. basically, when you see one of those, you know your team is gonna be down an assault mech.

And then that points out the other issue.. which is that the champion highlander guy who failed to score 100 damage was probably a new player. So why was he in that game at all? Just like the two champion dragons. Those guys really had no business being in that game at all, and the matchmaker grabbing those folks to try and balance elos is just plain stupid. It just ends up making everything into a crapshoot, in that if you have good lances on either side, then it comes down partially to who gets the less derpy derps.

[BLOOD WOLF]

some people just suck

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 January 2014 - 09:34 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Roland, on 27 January 2014 - 09:33 PM, said:

So why was he in that game at all?

Filler. I don't think they were needed to bring the Elo of the other team down.


I think instead of getting the less derpy derps, it's a case of getting an SJR player as the kicker in your charlie lance that swings it. The bads are just gon b bad. And the matches are almost always determined between the good players and the mistakes they don't make.

Edited by Ghogiel, 27 January 2014 - 09:47 PM.

[KharnZor]

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

This is one might be a good example of teh lulz stacked. If that one was closely matched averaged Elo between the teams I really want to know how low those randoms are on my team to drag the average down so that all those mediums and the 2 trials on the other team get matched to LORDS assault mechs.

I like games like that. Even if i get smashed. You get punished for your stupidity and it shows where you are lacking as a pilot.

[Craig Steele]

KharnZor, on 27 January 2014 - 09:49 PM, said:

I like games like that. Even if i get smashed. You get punished for your stupidity and it shows where you are lacking as a pilot.

How the heck do you come to that conclusion from a screen shot?

The loosing team may have done nothing stupid, and still got flogged by superior tactics or gunnery.

Bit presumptious to assume the losers were bad or for that matter, to detract for the "brilliance" of the winners by implying anyone could have beaten them because the other team played "stupidly".

[DaZur]

I so much hate these flipping singular pics that folks use to bolster their argument... never mind the 25 other pics they could have taken to refute their premise...

A pic out of context that proves nothing save that fact that this one match was a total stomp...

[Ghogiel]

DaZur, on 27 January 2014 - 10:16 PM, said:

I so much hate these flipping singular pics that folks use to bolster their argument... never mind the 25 other pics they could have taken to refute their premise...

A pic out of context that proves nothing save that fact that this one match was a total stomp...

Even if alpha lance were trial mech noobs, Kaffe and Villz were likely just going to wade into that other team and kill them anyway.

[BLOOD WOLF]

im starting to question most of you well established player, some serious lack of skill and know how. somehow they know how to use the art of blame and excuse. For the new players, they need more practice

[Deathlike]

DaZur, on 27 January 2014 - 10:16 PM, said:

I so much hate these flipping singular pics that folks use to bolster their argument... never mind the 25 other pics they could have taken to refute their premise...

A pic out of context that proves nothing save that fact that this one match was a total stomp...

If posted all the matches I had for this night (which I didn't take for my losses), they were all virtually lopsided, save for a few games.

If I were a gambler making bets on MWO, I know who'd I'd bet on and guess the outcome correctly more often than not based on how I understand the MM.

There is money to be made here!

Edit:
If I were to guesstimate the probability of a stomp (doesn't matter which way), here are the projections (this isn't scientific!)

66-85% roflstomps
15-34% close games

That's what high ELO gets you.

Edited by Deathlike, 27 January 2014 - 10:47 PM.