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[Komagn]

mwhighlander, on 01 February 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

@ Bishop

I'm still in very very hot water from that time I did all the map preview videos. However I can say that many many people in this thread are going to be quite happy on Tuesday.


Maybe one day, Urbs... one day

LOL.

[Bishop Steiner]

Cody Furlong, on 01 February 2014 - 08:40 PM, said:

My first thought would be the Blade, being controversial as it has all it's weapons mounted in one arm, a first for the light mechs currently in game. My second option would be the Phoenix Hawk Light version, controversial simply because we already have a medium version. My final guess is the Venom, a mech biased of the spider design.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blade
in another 35 years or so..........
http://www.sarna.net.../Phoenix_Hawk_L
55 years to go, and based off a Harmony Gold Unseen, so ain't gonna happen.
Venom has only one variant currently, and it is a separate chassis from the Spider.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 01 February 2014 - 08:43 PM.

[Hawk819]

I'll lay some odds it's a Clan `Mech. It'd be just like Russ and the gang to spring a surprise on us without saying a word about it. the podcast is one thing but here, totally different. Look at Grid Iron, they sprung that `Mech on us without so much as a peep.

[Sephlock]

Maybe it'll be a light Nad Cat, accompanied by the announcement of a Diamond ilkhan clan pack, consisting of the light Mad cat, this, the Timber Wolf, and this.

[Devil Fox]

hawk819, on 01 February 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:

I'll lay some odds it's a Clan `Mech. It'd be just like Russ and the gang to spring a surprise on us without saying a word about it. the podcast is one thing but here, totally different. Look at Grid Iron, they sprung that `Mech on us without so much as a peep.

But we all knew it was going to be a Hunchback hero because it was the last of the original 4 mechs that required a re-mesh and overall. The Hero mech in the end was very disappointing with the hardpoint loadout, and typically I've only seen it become a 4G with a CB bonus.

mwhighlander, on 01 February 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

@ Bishop

I'm still in very very hot water from that time I did all the map preview videos. However I can say that many many people in this thread are going to be quite happy on Tuesday.


Maybe one day, Urbs... one day

You tease... I'm already trying to get an idea of what it will be, so I can decide whether it's worth the MC or not...

[ImperialKnight]

Confirmed by staff on various NGNG sources

- 35 tonner
- jump capable
- controversial (???)
- humanoid
- Not the Panther

If we want to bring time line in, something produced before 3051.

The chasis that fits most of the above are

- Firebee
- Firestarter
- Ostscout
- Spector

I don't know what controversial means. But the Ostscout is/was an unseen/reseen mech.

Firestarter would pack 6 energy and 2 ballistic hardpoints. The Firebee would have 4 missile and 1 energy hardpoint. Spector would be ECM capable. All of which would be sweeeeeet

[Hawk819]

Yea, but stop and think. The Ostscout and others like it, are apart of the "hands-off-we-own-the-rights-unHarmony-banned-Dai" group

[Devil Fox]

knightsljx, on 02 February 2014 - 01:35 AM, said:

Confirmed by staff on various NGNG sources

- 35 tonner
- jump capable
- controversial (???)
- humanoid
- Not the Panther

If we want to bring time line in, something produced before 3051.

The chasis that fits most of the above are

- Firebee
- Firestarter
- Ostscout
- Spector

I don't know what controversial means. But the Ostscout is/was an unseen/reseen mech.

Firestarter would pack 6 energy and 2 ballistic hardpoints. The Firebee would have 4 missile and 1 energy hardpoint. Spector would be ECM capable. All of which would be sweeeeeet

Sorry I've read and listened to all sources... nowhere was a 35-ton mech mentioned by PGI, it was brought up by other hosts, and nor was there any talk about it being jump-jet capable. The initial podcast 94 has it was a "light mech, humanoid, controversial, and a specialist". Podcast #100 then confirmed it was a light mech, a hero mech and a completely new chassis that was not the Panther.

The information that has been used is mostly incorrect, no tonnage limit was given. The mechs that are open to real use are only the Firestarter and Javelin in my eyes, and the Firestarter is the only real light mech specialist I can think of. Their the only 2 mechs that have enough variants that are varied enough, ain't Comstar only or extinct/mothballed machines in the house armies, or uses permenantly lost lostech.

Edited by Apostal, 02 February 2014 - 02:02 AM.

[Amsro]

The Firestarter is an interesting mech to be sure with an ECM variant + JJ. Controversial?

FS9 - H 2703
6E 2B

FS9 - A 2550
8E
FS9 - K 2550
5E
FS9 - M 2893
6E 2B
FS9 - S 3049
7E
FS9 - S1 3049
7E, ECM

B, C, P, M2, M3, M4are too new. (3064, 3070, 3064, 3101, 3104, 3109)

At least 3 distinct variants, some old ones and some VERY new variants. The Firestarter meets all criteria, even the fabled 35 ton limit!

Its kinda like a big spider with weapons. ! Maybe the S1 will be the Hero variant, with the H, A and M. The K is lacking unless it can carry an insane engine for mega speed!

Edited by Amsro, 02 February 2014 - 04:10 AM.

[Sephlock]

Apostal, on 02 February 2014 - 02:00 AM, said:

or uses permenantly lost lostech.

Wait what? Which ones fit into that category?

[Jenkss]

I don't think the S1 would be the Hero, only varient of the chassis allowed to carry ECM as the hero? Cries of pay to win will ring loud all over the forums.

A Mirage or randomly named Firestarter would make a more sensible hero I would think.

S1 (because they always have a hugely priced CB/MC version worth a million or more than the others), H and A for the 3 regular varients I think.

[Butane9000]

If anyone wants to know mechs available based on timeline I suggest going to the Master Unit List. You can also sort out what is and is not available by comparing it with Sarna.

Here's all available lights based on timeline and availability that aren't in the game (unseen excluded, * using debatable data).
---------------------------------------
20 Tons
Mercury (MCY-97, MCY-98 & MCY-99)
Thorn (THE-F, THE-N, THE-S & THE-T)
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25 Tons
Mongoose (MON-66, MON-67, MON-68 & MON-69)
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30 Tons
Firefly (FFL-4A, FFL-4B & FFL-4C)
Hermes (HER-1A, HER-1B, HER-1S, HER-3S, HER-3S1 & HER-3S2)
Hussar (HSR-200-D, HSR-300-D & HSR-350-D)
Javelin (JVN-10F, JVN-10N & JVN-10P)
Urbanmech (UM-R50, UM-R60, UM-R60L & UM-R63)
-----------------------------------------
35 Tons
Firestarter (FS9-A, FS9-H, FS9-K, FS9-M, FS9-S & FS9-S1)
Wolfhound (WLF-1, WLF-1A & WLF-1B)

As seen above the largest pools above to choose from at the 20 and 30 tonners which is why I personally gravitate towards the Javelin and Hermes. Anything outside of the ones above either aren't available yet, don't have enough variants or the units we're introduced via TRO's for 3070 or later or Clan TROs.

If you wan't a similar breakdown above it will be in the Ultimate Mech Discussion Thread.

Edit: After writing for an hour nearly finishing the forums decided to wipe my progress. So I will not be updating and releasing a possible list of mechs for the different weight classes in the Ultimate Mech Discussion Thread.

2nd Edit: Removed the Flea due it already being announced for MWO.

Edited by Butane9000, 02 February 2014 - 08:55 AM.

[Amsro]

Jenkss, on 02 February 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

I don't think the S1 would be the Hero, only varient of the chassis allowed to carry ECM as the hero? Cries of pay to win will ring loud all over the forums.

A Mirage or randomly named Firestarter would make a more sensible hero I would think.

S1 (because they always have a hugely priced CB/MC version worth a million or more than the others), H and A for the 3 regular varients I think.

While I agree to the sentiment, the cries of Pay To Win will also rise up. Plus where is the controversy in that?! Even if the "Hero" variant has ECM that doesn't mean the S1 variant won't still exist, giving the chassis 2 ECM variants.

Either way the Firestarter looks like a great chassis!

[Jenkss]

Amsro, on 02 February 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

While I agree to the sentiment, the cries of Pay To Win will also rise up. Plus where is the controversy in that?! Even if the "Hero" variant has ECM that doesn't mean the S1 variant won't still exist, giving the chassis 2 ECM variants.

Either way the Firestarter looks like a great chassis!

You're not wrong there.

Either way, I just wish they communicated with us a little more. You see some devs. who do it and the difference it makes is massive. What's the harm in just giving us a hint at what it is. A screenshot or something. So it's not a massive surprise on the day, I'd rather know what's coming and look forward to it. Rather than hope it's something good but assume otherwise.

I am very glad it's a light though, I love my lights and was so keen on the Locust. But it's just not competitive, you have to rely way too much on your team doing well and unfortunately I see way too many assaults who die with <50 damage.

So I guess what I'm hoping for most of all is a competitive jumping light to go along with my Spiders*



*(I know the Jenner is apparently both of those things, but even though I've been around since beta.. I just cannot bring myself to like the Jenner. I've never done well in it and it just feels like a whale to me)

[Amsro]

Jenkss, on 02 February 2014 - 07:27 AM, said:

You're not wrong there.

Either way, I just wish they communicated with us a little more. You see some devs. who do it and the difference it makes is massive. What's the harm in just giving us a hint at what it is. A screenshot or something. So it's not a massive surprise on the day, I'd rather know what's coming and look forward to it. Rather than hope it's something good but assume otherwise.

I am very glad it's a light though, I love my lights and was so keen on the Locust. But it's just not competitive, you have to rely way too much on your team doing well and unfortunately I see way too many assaults who die with <50 damage.

So I guess what I'm hoping for most of all is a competitive jumping light to go along with my Spiders*



*(I know the Jenner is apparently both of those things, but even though I've been around since beta.. I just cannot bring myself to like the Jenner. I've never done well in it and it just feels like a whale to me)

Wrong where? ECM hero not controversial? Perhaps the Firestarter doesn't look like a good mech to you? Maybe even that people don't cry "Pay to Win".

Most Hero's are ok and none are OP, in fact a couple of the Hero mechs are "Pay to Lose".

The "Limited Edition" hunchback and the need to sell more of those this weekend is why the new Hero light is hush hush. If the news of a new Hero mech should make it to the front page they might lose HBK sales.

[Bishop Steiner]

Sephlock, on 02 February 2014 - 04:13 AM, said:

Wait what? Which ones fit into that category?

Spector. Chameleon Light Shield and Null Sig tech is considered permanently out of game, for some dumb reason. Funnily I don't think it's near as OP as a lot of the stuff they have kept.

[Victor Morson]

Veranova, on 28 January 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

Who else is excited?
What do you think it might be?

What we know so far from interviews with NGNG:
1. It's a NEW 'mech
2. 35 Tons
3. The 'mech is "Controversial"
4. The 'mech is "Humanoid"

My bets are on the Wolfhound or Firestarter.
The Panther is out as Russ debunked that in NGNG #100.

I've been voting Wolfhound, but Controversial made me change my mind.

I bet it's the freaking Ostscout. I'd prefer an Urbie but it's not humanoid so I doubt we'll see it.
ED: Nevermind. I thought the Ostscout was Reseen, and would fall in line with the Phoenix artwork. Guess not.

The Firestarter is just plain awesome as far as hardpoint layouts for MW:O. It's a mini-swayback in it's first alt config. It'd easily stand a chance at replacing the Jenner in a lot of fights. But again, I can't see why it'd be Controversial.

Edited by Victor Morson, 02 February 2014 - 08:05 AM.

[Jenkss]

Amsro, on 02 February 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:

Wrong where? ECM hero not controversial? Perhaps the Firestarter doesn't look like a good mech to you? Maybe even that people don't cry &quot;Pay to Win&quot;.

Most Hero's are ok and none are OP, in fact a couple of the Hero mechs are &quot;Pay to Lose&quot;.

The &quot;Limited Edition&quot; hunchback and the need to sell more of those this weekend is why the new Hero light is hush hush. If the news of a new Hero mech should make it to the front page they might lose HBK sales.

By saying "You're not wrong there" I was implying that I agreed with what you said in the previous post.

The Firestarter is looking like a great mech... on paper.

I hope its great in game, I may even have to go and get some more MC for the first time in a long long time.

Edited by Jenkss, 02 February 2014 - 08:07 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

knightsljx, on 02 February 2014 - 01:35 AM, said:

Confirmed by staff on various NGNG sources


- jump capable
- controversial (???)
- humanoid
- Not the Panther

If we want to bring time line in, something produced before 3051.

The chasis that fits most of the above are


- Firestarter



I

Firestarter would pack 6 energy and 2 ballistic hardpoints. The Firebee would have 4 missile and 1 energy hardpoint. Spector would be ECM capable. All of which would be sweeeeeet

FTFY

at no point on any media outlet have they confirmed it to be a 35 tonner. If you have one the rest of us do not, please post it.

Firebee is an age of war design armed with primitive tech, and thus, a no go.
Spector is essentially extinct and uses permanently extinct tech, the Chameleon Shield and Null SIg.
Ostscout is Harmony Gold Unseen, and Russ has stated those will NOT appear.

That leaves the:
Firestarter
Javelin
Urbanmech (only possible if they have fixed the engine and heat sink issues with the UI2.0 also being released Feb 4)
Wolfhound (even though the available variants are pathetically homogenous, CGL did retcon enough in timeline)
Thorn (barely meets the criteria)
Mongoose

with the
Hermes
Falcon as extreme long shots.

[Amsro]

Jenkss, on 02 February 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

By saying "You're not wrong there" I was implying that I agreed with what you said in the previous post.

The Firestarter is looking like a great mech... on paper.

I hope its great in game, I may even have to go and get some more MC for the first time in a long long time.

YIKES, I'll remember to read twice post once next time!