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[LauLiao]

Xeno Phalcon, on 10 February 2014 - 01:43 PM, said:

Need more passive aggressive insults in this thread.

Love the irony of this statement alone but then...

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Now what if those rules lax and the ref hardly does his job? You get hockey.

you drop this.

Also, lax isn't a verb. (How's that for passive agressive for ya?)

Edited by LauLiao, 10 February 2014 - 02:35 PM.

[White Bear 84]

A GG is a game that was well played and fun - A GOOD GAME. Sometimes you get GG's from losing team members who accept that the other team is way better than their team, sometimes from noobs that are just happy they had a chance to kill a Highlander.. ..sometimes you get GG from an epic down the last two mechs nail biter..

Either way, GG should not be taken personally, otherwise you are allowing other players to troll. Personally I dont really care, its two letters, whatever, move along with your life. I feel a significant portion of people complain about GG purely because they are bitter they have lost, well sonny jim, {scrap} happens...

Edited by White Bear 84, 10 February 2014 - 02:56 PM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Kjudoon, on 10 February 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Interesting match results.
I see the one team had at least 2 nearly full lances of premades (6-8 teamspeaked players) with probable metas comptetative practice going on. Possibly, but not likely, a sync drop.

The former is possible,the later unlikely at best but can't say for certain either way as I was not a part of it if there was premades involved. From my point of view it looked like the enemy team was scattered across the map, I don't recall seeing more than three within spitting distance of each other at any given time.

On the flipside, even in MWO losing can be fun in the right situation

[DONTOR]

I try my best to write GG after EVERY game, I dont care f i stomped you 12-0 or if you stomped me 0 -12. The point is that it was a good game because we all should have learned a ilttle more from it, defeat or crushing victory. What did we do wrong there? What can I learn from this victory? If the base was capped why didnt we have defense? Things like that.

[L Y N X]

Xeno Phalcon, on 10 February 2014 - 01:43 PM, said:

Need more passive aggressive insults in this thread. Its not nearly the same as real sports and anyone trying to compare the two is in denial and is too busy trying to degrade others to get a clue.

In most sports, real sports not wannabe E-sports, there is respect and a appreciation for having someone to play with as well as having a fist full of rules and in most cases a referee to ensure everyone is playing nice.

Now what if those rules lax and the ref hardly does his job? You get hockey. Two guys beating the crap out of each other on the ice and looking for their missing teeth afterward while a ref sometimes pretends to break them apart but usually not because thats what the fans want, they don't want people apologizing to each other when one guy checks another into the wall no they want sticks breaking gloves comming off and punches being thrown....very sportsmanlike.

In MWO there are very few rules of fair play, five guys catch one guy wandering off on his own? One guy gets a kill the other four get a easy assist. If i go out and ask a guy for a duel what are the odds the rest of his team OR my team will respect it? Nope some monkey is going to get in the way. Some rolls in MWO are simply one team having better luck than the other, but when people are disconnecting, rushing off on a suicide blitz or just being dumb on purpose as a whole it most certainly is not a good game. Can you imagine if football or basketball was played with the same approach by its players as that taken by the majority of MWO players? Welp other team won the ball we are screwed, I'll just go sit on the bench for the rest of the game.

Dude... Duels are not a part of the rules. And if you had a brain AND used it then you would come to the realization that there are more rules in MWO than all the sports in the world put together. The thing is, you do not see the rules or the referee, the ref is the server, the rules are embodied in the program and this is not an analogy. This is how it really is. This is a competitive pastime, no different than chess or checkers or poker or blackjack, there are plays and hands dealt and decisions made, there are risks taken(in game) that affect the outcome. This is electronic competition at its finest. It is a variant of the table top brought to simulated life. So for you to sit at your keyboard and make a pathetic attempt to invalidate an analogy of MWO to sports or other competitive games, that is just ridiculous. If you understood what good sportsmanship was/is then this thread would be useless, but it is still likely useless since even after the answer is given you will ignore it and frantically grasp at your world view as wrong as it is. I really feel sorry for you.

[Villz]

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

"gg" (good game) is something that basic sportsmanship should recommend. From a child I was taught (in baseball especially) that, no matter the outcome of a game, you treat the other team with respect and offer them a "good game" afterward.

I say gg after nearly every match (the exceptions being those rare instances where a game is just so utterly borked by team killing, disconnects, or other extreme situations that no true enjoyment could be gotten out of playing well). I say it if I win, and I say it if I lose. It is simple good manners and civility.

[LauLiao]

I think it's a little telling if someone just ASSUMES that someone saying "gg" is automatically being sarcastic or insulting. Maybe that person honestly felt it was a good game. Maybe while you were getting the floor wiped with you, that person was locked in an exciting, kill-or-be-killed duel on the other side of the map. Maybe even though it felt like you were getting stomped, the other team felt like they got lucky or that it was a hard won victory. To just assume the opponent is insincere is about the most unsportsmanlike reaction I can think of.

[WonderSparks]

I personally like to type "gg" with a little smiley face at the end of it in an attempt to seem a little less "Haw haw I win u lose" if you get what I mean.
Although frankly it really depends on the people reading it as far as how it is interpreted goes. When it is said to my team, assuming the score was not something like 12-1, I take it with a smile (not that anyone can see my face in-game), but it's obvious when the intent behind its writing is just to annoy people (the 12-1 score I mentioned before, for instance). That's what I think, anyways; don't bet your paycheck on me being 100% accurate!

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Even a wildly disparate score isn't truly indicative. What if all 12 of the winning 12-0 team were very nearly dead, many with weapons blown off and limbs missing? That would still have been a very hard-fought game, but the final score would not reflect that.

[Kjudoon]

Xeno Phalcon, on 10 February 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

The former is possible,the later unlikely at best but can't say for certain either way as I was not a part of it if there was premades involved. From my point of view it looked like the enemy team was scattered across the map, I don't recall seeing more than three within spitting distance of each other at any given time.

On the flipside, even in MWO losing can be fun in the right situation

THAT could be worthy of a GG. 3-4 full premade lances, (I recognize 2 of them as beating up on me in 12mans once or twice) most likely. Not meta crazy so more casual for fun but good pilots all around or of at least equally bad skill.

[CycKath]

Nowadays I just settle for Good Job in team chat rather than GG in main

[Xeno Phalcon]

CycKath, on 10 February 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

Nowadays I just settle for Good Job in team chat rather than GG in main

Yeah those are nice and generally are given out appropriately in my experience.

[PhoenixFire55]

7ynx, on 10 February 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

Dude... Duels are not a part of the rules.

Fun isn't part of the rules either ...

[Fut]

Ngamok, on 10 February 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

Which is why I have taken to typing out: TFTM or Thanks For The Match. Because win or lose it thanks everyone for the match and no one gets upset at two letters that are the same.

Although I think people are taking things a little too far in the cry-baby department (seriously, people complaining because they think that somebody is saying "Good Game" to them in a sarcastic or mean tone... What's this world coming to?), I have modified my post-game comments to reflect.
Perhaps I'll have a change of heart, once again, but for now at least:

I'll post "Good Game" or "That was a fun match" in the Main Chat if the game is close, or if we lose.
I'll post "Good Game Guys" in the Team Chat if we won, and the opponents didn't do so well.

Really though, the over-sensitivity of some people around here is astonishing.

[jper4]

Parappaman, on 03 February 2014 - 05:17 AM, said:

My netiquette.

If it's a close match, either when we win or lose:

Parappaman<All> gg

If we stomp the other side:

Parappaman<Team> gj team

If my team gets stomped, all I do is lower my head and go cry in a corner with my wrecked mech's company.

pretty much what i do- though sometimes i'm am cheered up by the person my my team when we got stomped that spends most of the match (cause they usually died early in it) to complain about how horrible everyone is (and imply the question of how someone as great as he is could have possibly ended up with such inferior teammates since everyone else has been decreed to be horrible unlike himself). cause you know he is forced to stay watching said horrible players because of our hacking skills which prevent him from hitting the "quit match" button to spare him the pain of watching such horridness further (and the even far WORSE horror of possibly having to play a match in a DIFFERENT! mech while the current one is locked into the current match if they were to quit the match.)

[sokitumi]

Some people just like to see their names in chat it seems. Same goes for the GL HF crowd... to me, it just looks stupid and childish.

However, I'll glady say GS or GF in the rare situations it is warranted.

[Kjudoon]

Usually, I like to see my name in chat saying:

Welcome to Father Guido Sarducci's Home for Wayward LRMs. Please lock your targets and give them a forever home.

Then occasionally in a pug, I get a lock. Happiness, functionality and awesomeness achieved.

[RickySpanish]

I usually say gg wp in team chat, or clothes in global if the other team sucked and deserved to die

[Kyone Akashi]

Interesting there is a thread on this already - I occasionally found myself questioning whether I "got it right" when trying to understand this little tradition and so had almost opened a similar thread on several occasions.

From my observation and personal opinion, "GG" is used incorrectly at least half the time. A "good game" doesn't just mean that your side has won. A "good game" should be one that was enjoyable to everyone, or almost everyone on both teams. Thus, the closer a game was in terms of results, the more it was a "good game" rather than a one-sided stomp. Simple sportsmanship.

It feels provocative and irritating to hear "GG" from the enemy if they just wiped the floor with my team, and it feels awkward and inappropriate if someone on my team does the same if the situation is reversed. Often, but not always, a stomped team deserves their loss (in PUG this tends to be due to a lack of tactics and teamwork), but there is no need to rub it into their faces like this.

Close games, however, especially those that end on a 12:10, are the ones that truly show both sides gave it their best. Those are the games where I may comment with something like "well fought, everyone" - regardless of whether I lose or win.

tl;dr: A game being "good" or "fun" is nothing personal, but involves every participant's opinion. If it obviously (depending on the one-sidedness of the match) was only you who had fun, there is no need to inform everyone else about how you feel about yourself, is there?

Edited by Kyone Akashi, 11 February 2014 - 09:50 AM.