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[Primetimex]

OK, so champion mechs, so called mechs already outfitted with optimised configurations. Sounds good right? Wrong.

Just buying a Champ Mech for MCs only makes PGI richer, it does not make a player any better in any sense of the word.

As quoted by Melifluer in the "Feature Suggestions" thread for UI 2.0:
"I DONT LIKE OR WANT CHAMPION MECHS. i will never buy one ever nor do i even care to see them.

also this does just look like a way to shove (scrap) in my face to buy, again its so patently offensive that this game is just some cash grab for you guys and not a good game that people PAID to have."

In most matches I've had where there are Champion Mechs, it results in 80-90% losses most of the time. One in a Champion HIghlander even got wasted within 2 seconds of the game starting.

PGI, just do us a favour, get rid of the MW license, get someone else to take over and do it justice.

Just buying MCs and buying so called champ mechs don't teach new players anything. If at all it dumbs down the game - you don't learn what the chassis role is, the nuances, its weapon configs, equipment configs, engine configs etc, what works well and what doesn't and how does it all fit in on how you can best play the game without sucking hard.

Just sick and tired seeing © mechs in the game, essentially there as "handicap" so that if you have 4 ©s, it's almost like hard mode - handicap minus 4 mechs in the match and if they're in assault ©s, well it's even
worse.

So do us all a favour, go thru the grind, learn the basics, build your mech from zip like the rest of us, and most of all, ignore the weekly/daily sales and don't feed the machine.

Edited by Primetimex, 04 February 2014 - 07:52 PM.

[Sandpit]

Aren't you just a ball of sunshine

sense tingling

I'll give you a more "robust" response when this thread gets where it belongs

[Primetimex]

Sandpit, on 04 February 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Aren't you just a ball of sunshine

sense tingling

I'll give you a more "robust" response when this thread gets where it belongs

Are you in one of those Champion mechs too? I'm sick and tired of getting stomped 12-1 just because so called "Champs" got wasted ASAP without doing even close to 100 damage (in an assault no less).

[Mcgral18]

So, you want new players to use stock mechs, with stock armor allocation, using single heatsinks on top of not knowing how to play?

Why do you want to slaughter them like that? Do you also want them to get 75% profits with no C-bill bonus? This is a concept I approve of from PGI, it makes the new player experience much nicer than it used to be.

Edited by Mcgral18, 04 February 2014 - 07:59 PM.

[Asmudius Heng]

Those are just newbies runing trial mechs dude simmer down

it sucks when you get a lot of newbies on your side and the other has a bunch of premade but thats the fault of PGIs matchmaker not of champion mechs.

IF you dont like them do not buy them ... they are much better than putting newbies in TT stock mechs though, they at least have half a chance in a champion mech.

Edited by Asmudius Heng, 04 February 2014 - 07:57 PM.

[FupDup]

If you think the "optimized" Champion mechs make you lose, you should have been around to see the Tabletop stock trial mechs. They were the most unviable pieces of walking trash incarnate that any Mechwarrior game had ever seen. They were overheating deathtraps that were almost always too slow, poorly armored, and/or poorly armed. The current Champs have flaws, but they at least let a noob stand a snowball's chance in hell. The TT stocks...simply could not kill anything that was remotely competent.

Edited by FupDup, 05 February 2014 - 08:16 AM.

[Primetimex]

Mcgral18, on 04 February 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

So, you want new players to use stock mechs, with stock armor allocation, using single heatsinks on top of not knowing how to play?

Why do you want to slaughter them like that? Do you also want them to get 75% profits with no C-bill bonus? This is a concept I approve of from PGI, it makes the new player experience much nice than it used to be.

Where did I say this in my thread above?? I didn't say I wanted to pugstomp - on the contrary, I want new players to get better ASAP and get them to speed, and buying Champs does not seem to be the best way to do it given how many times I have observed they get wasted - within first 1 minutes max of the match starting.

As I said, do the grind earn C-Bills, buy your mechs and you are free to outfit your mech however you choose. Plenty of guides on-line now to help you on your way.

We all started this way, and it doesn't help that PGI had dumbed down the game further and further.

Asmudius Heng, on 04 February 2014 - 07:57 PM, said:

IF you dont like them do not buy them ... they are much better than putting newbies in TT stock mechs though, they at least have half a chance in a champion mech.

Just way too many matches with either (C) (Trial or Champions) either way getting wasted within 1 minutes of starting the match. It doesn't even give them 10% chance lol.

[and zero]

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

Champion mechs are a terrible business strategy.

Here is what often occurs:

New and naive player starts playing MWO.
New player gets ***** repeatedly in game due to atrocious new player experience.
New player thinks: why must I get pillaged so, hmm "CHAMPION mech" maybe that will help me???? It sure sounds great!
New player does not know better, and gives PGI money they do not deserve.

Fast forward a few weeks or a month....

New player realizes they were ripped off-a champion mech is just a normal mech for real money with an absolutely worthless xp boost. They could have spent the money on premium time, a hero mech, mech bays, or overpriced paint, or even a better game.

New player feels ripped off by pgi.
New player does not want to spend more money.

This is why champion mechs are ******* stupid.

Edited by and zero, 04 February 2014 - 08:06 PM.

[Primetimex]

and zero, on 04 February 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

New player feels ripped off by pgi.
New player does not want to spend more money.

This is why champion mechs are ******* stupid.

Why else was C-Bills earnings nerfed so severely? To promote more Mech MC sales of course - and the best way is like andzero says - is to push the newbies towards BUYING Champion Mechs which they think will give them an edge in the game, since with the current earnings rate (even with first 25 match bonus) you can barely scrape enough money to buy some toilet rolls.

[Deathlike]

I think the stock Stalker-3F missile boat is great for trolling people... except if it's an actual newbie... and will be consequently trolled by those already equipped with ECM.

I would've preferred a 3H or 5M missile build instead of the 3F (waste of Champion potential).

[Stormtempter]

You misunderstand Prime. Yes, people can purchase champions, but there are 4 champions available at all times - for free. These are trial mechs. They are mostly there for new people to use for their first 25 matches or so, while they earn their c-bills, get a feel for the various mech types and learn the game.

As others have said, these trial champions are a far better option for new players than stock junk mechs. They stand a better chance of contributing. Instead of whining about it, when you see champ mechs, try and help them out, as doing so will help the team and you as well.

[and zero]

Deathlike, on 04 February 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

I think the stock Stalker-3F missile boat is great for trolling people... except if it's an actual newbie... and will be consequently trolled by those already equipped with ECM.

I would've preferred a 3H or 5M missile build instead of the 3F (waste of Champion potential).

Champion potential?? HA I love you man

[Primetimex]

Primetimex, on 04 February 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

Why else was C-Bills earnings nerfed so severely? To promote more Mech MC sales of course - and the best way is like andzero says - is to push the newbies towards BUYING Champion Mechs which they think will give them an edge in the game, since with the current earnings rate (even with first 25 match bonus) you can barely scrape enough money to buy some toilet rolls.

Why is it even "Champion" anyway - if that's what qualifies as "Champion" then the rest of us who are running Mechs tweaked and upgraded to the hilt must the "Grandmaster" version!

Stormtempter, on 04 February 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

As others have said, these trial champions are a far better option for new players than stock junk mechs. They stand a better chance of contributing. Instead of whining about it, when you see champ mechs, try and help them out, as doing so will help the team and you as well.

Yeah, try to help them out .... try telling that to the many Atlai, and/or Mechs wandering off on their own thinking they have the BEST strategy and ranting when asked to do otherwise (rejoin group). Predictable result: (C) mech gets wasted (as usual).

I used to try help whenever I can but often I get smart talk back or abuse so I stopped and just let them do as they wish.

[and zero]

Primetimex, on 04 February 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

Why is it even "Champion" anyway - if that's what qualifies as "Champion" then the rest of us who are running Mechs tweaked and upgraded to the hilt must the "Grandmaster" version!

It is called champion to mislead poor naive new players into buying it

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Mcgral18, on 04 February 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

So, you want new players to use stock mechs, with stock armor allocation, using single heatsinks on top of not knowing how to play?

Why do you want to slaughter them like that? Do you also want them to get 75% profits with no C-bill bonus? This is a concept I approve of from PGI, it makes the new player experience much nicer than it used to be.

Know what I want? A custom pool of "Trial" mechs, that are specifically tailored to teach the basic structure of the game.

Add to this a trial only que for the first 25 matches with full c-bill gains as normal. And done... that fixes the entire new player experience. It puts everyone on the same level, with the same access to the same premade mechs. Yet offers choice and the ability to try out various different mechs. This "4 trial mechs that kinda switch when we feel like it" scrap has got to go.

[and zero]

Jade Kitsune, on 04 February 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

Know what I want? A custom pool of "Trial" mechs, that are specifically tailored to teach the basic structure of the game.

Add to this a trial only que for the first 25 matches with full c-bill gains as normal. And done... that fixes the entire new player experience. It puts everyone on the same level, with the same access to the same premade mechs. Yet offers choice and the ability to try out various different mechs. This "4 trial mechs that kinda switch when we feel like it" scrap has got to go.

This and private matches so new players could learn in a no pressure environment.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

and zero, on 04 February 2014 - 08:17 PM, said:

This and private matches so new players could learn in a no pressure environment.

Private matches are "comming".tm

That being said, I don't feel it would be crucial for the new player's to have private matches... but a seperate Trial mech only que would do WONDERS to aleviating the frustration of the NPE.

[and zero]

Jade Kitsune, on 04 February 2014 - 08:18 PM, said:

Private matches are "comming".tm

That being said, I don't feel it would be crucial for the new player's to have private matches... but a seperate Trial mech only que would do WONDERS to aleviating the frustration of the NPE.

Well it would help a lot. Then experienced players who they knew could also teach them easily.

[Primetimex]

Sorry if this has offended any new players, it is not my intention to diminish resources available to you in MWO to get up and running, On contrary, I wish there were more facilities for the NPE to get up to speed, even practice matches against computer-controlled opponents would be nice (a.la Hawken) so that you can get used to the various map layouts and plan strategies and practice in your mechs and their various loadouts.

It is extremely frustrating that as you get in position, 3-4 (C) mechs are already down and you know even as a vet and even in 4-man, you can't possibly carry the match.

[Stormtempter]

I feel your pain, but having them in champions is better than naught.

A gradual easing into the pool at the shallow end, expanded tutorials and other help would be fantastic, but as its been years since the game started and there is only one tutorial, I wouldn't hold my breath for expanded help in that.

We're stuck with PGI throwing them into the deep end with us saying 'SWIM SUCKER' and the rest of us helpless to keep them from drowning.