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[Gambino87]

Todd Lightbringer, on 13 February 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

First and foremost, to those of you comparing this to real life scenarios you need to stop. It is damn near impossible to openly communicate in MW:O through its current state. In order to do so, you have to stop what you're doing, and type. While doing so, you're potentially getting shot in your ass from every direction.

As for the "good game" comparison to real life sports, you're comparing two teams who have had plenty of time to practice with one another and can openly communicate throughout the game playing one another. Once again you cannot do a direct comparison due to A. communication, and B. prior practice with one another. Even if you start a game with random individuals, you can easily openly communicate with one another out on the court/field.

Since I'm a HUGE Defense of the Ancients 2 (Dota 2) player, I'll use that game as a direct comparison in premade vs pug and communication comparison. During the games beta, premades could be dropped against pugs without restriction. While there are SEVERAL variables involved in competitive Dota (such as counter picking heroes, overpowered heroes in certain circumstances) they always had this lovely thing called in-game chat. This in-game chat allowed for... GASP... wait for it.... OPEN COMMUNICATION!!!!!! This open communication allowed a random group of players to potentially beat an organized team.

At the end of the day not everyone is going to bother putting together a team, or joining one in general. Some people just want to hop onto the game play a quickie and call it a day. The fact that there is a lack of open communication within the game CRIPPLES random new players in a TEAM game when they are against an ORGANIZED team. You can attempt a weak argument and say maybe they should join a team speak server and play with others, but what about those new players that want to hop into the game for the first time and get completely obliterated? They they go into another match, with an XL Stalker (which is a piece of evil maniacal shit that should have never been placed into trial) and get stomped over, and over again? What sort of attitude do you think this game is going to breed? How do you expect this game to become successful if it can't bring in new players to hopefully spend money?

World of Talks is already complaining that a majority of their player base isn't spending a dime on their game. http://www.gamespot....0/1100-6417697/
What do you think will happen to their game if this trend continues? MW:O may eventually suffer the same fate.

You get 10x the c-bills for like the first 10 matches. You'll be out of that stalker death trap before you know it and kicking whatever badass war machine tickles your fancy in no time. Everyone who plays now had to endure it and it probably made you/us a better player because of it.

[Joseph Mallan]

Thanatos676, on 13 February 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

Truly sorry to hear this about your son man.

Thanks.
He is a wonderful boy, who will likely grow up to do marvelous things.

[MerryIguana]

This thread had such an interesting title too. Que sera, sera...

[Triordinant]

Thanatos676, on 13 February 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:

So you start a flame war, then give up? That is textbook trolling..

At least he was well-mannered and respectful.

[Imperius]

Mods are moving like turtles today. This still isn't moved?

Edit I see you MiSs

Edited by Imperius, 13 February 2014 - 07:48 AM.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

Online bullying is a real thing and many posts in this thread are good example of the different levels of sensitivity people have. I would go so far as to say it's only bullying if you let it bother you, which you can simply walk away from and possibly laugh at. You will never get anywhere trying to stop it yourself, especially on the internet. By creating this thread you've only fueled the fire as far as the many obvious trolls are concerned. I however agree, the developers of this game should have implemented much more intuitive grouping & social features to bring us together... wait for it... <keywords> in the game. If you loose, leave and play a different chassis. If you're being bothered by what others are saying, do not read it. Sometimes I try to stand up to the trolls...... it will never ever work unless they weren't hiding behind a screen somewhere in I could care lessville. And I admit at times I can be sensitive and have a hard time excepting teasing I had four older brothers so yeah.... a good example of this is Paul trolling Alex in the Vlog. They (the less sensitive) normally don't mean it in a very serious sense.

All that said, I have personally been requesting the lobby feature (should have been a day one deal) for years now in hopes to bring people like ourselves together. PGI will give it to us whenever they see fit and no amount of threads will change that.

It's not like you have 3 older brothers holding you down whilst the other hocks a loogie down your throat.

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 13 February 2014 - 08:05 AM.

[Artgathan]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

True that... is it right to allow the practice, the venue for such demoralizing behavior? That may be too harsh, I appologize. But, based on the concepts I am trying to hash out (yes, I am not 100% convicted yet, just exploring the idea), there is an interesting layer of this that stems from the gaming community to the gaming companies interpretation of need, to create a venue that fosters a certain behavior.

Except that the venue doesn't allow for such demoralizing behaviour. We have a Code of Conduct and Terms of Service that explicitly forbid abusive behaviour in game.

[Fut]

R Razor, on 13 February 2014 - 06:07 AM, said:

It's that whole "everybody gets a medal whether they win or lose" mentality that has society in the condition it's in now.

Unfortunately, it seems that each new generation is raised with less and less constitution, They no longer have the ability to deal with things like "not always winning" or "people not being overly nice to them". Everything must be spoon fed to them. The world owes them because they're such a special individual.

It's complete garbage.
The mere fact that people saying "Good Game" at the end of a match is being construed into an insult or taunt makes me weep at night.

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 06:32 AM, said:

New Players must learn to become team players; this is hard to do under the current mechanics of the game.

New players must learn a game and adapt to how it's played by existing players? What a complete and utter shock.
Somebody call CNN!

It's not hard for new players to become team players, the game has a pre-game chat where they can interact with their team, they can communicate with their team during the match, and even for a brief moment afterward.

Also, despite all of the bullshit in the forums, there are many very helpful people here. All willing to explain the intricacies of MWO to these new players.

The only reason it'd be difficult for a new player to become a team player, is if they're naturally a self-centered glory hound.

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 06:32 AM, said:

The Cyber Bully = Premades as it is being coinded in this thread, is but a psychological affect of the effect this mechanic has when premades decide to utilize their team tactics, communications, etc., against pugs and new players.

Just because you've said it, it doesn't mean that the term has been coined.
Also, "team tactics" and "communications" are not the tools of a Cyber Bully - they are, in fact, how the game is intended to be played. 100%.

Edited by Fut, 13 February 2014 - 08:08 AM.

[AdamBaines]

I thought this thread had promise until I read the whole bullying bit. Then I knew it was gong to derail quickly.

Does bullying happen online? Of course. Does it happen in MWO? Of course. Are stomps a form of bullying in MWO. I feel confident in saying generally speaking, no. Do some people get off on stomps? Yes I'm sure there are some. Do stomps lead to new player attrition? Yes. Where people feel bullied here is probably when it comes to the personal attack variety, and if they are targeted over and over by the same people. That really cant happen right now. I can choose who I play with, but not against. The match maker dictates that.

Interesting concept of a thread but derailed early by the OP (troll or no troll).

When i read some of the posts in this thread, it makes me sad.........

[Grey Black]

I would like to add an angle to your argumentation (as I believe it to be wrong). You are always noting that it's "premades vs pugs". First of all, in my experience sync dropping, it is not as viable as one would be led to believe. On our Sunday practices, if we all try for a sync (usually between ~24 people), we are lucky if half of the team is in the same match, much less on the same side.

The Matchmaker, however, is a finicky mistress. Perhaps that could be leading to your stomps?

As to the "GG" thing, I can't fault anyone for it. I've recently been saying "Good show, sirs!" as I can find GG to be a bit tiresome, and would rather respect the other team with actual language rather than acronyms (although I'm not averse to saying pre-match, "gl hf dd ds ka lol omg wtf bbq ru eb diaf hh o7 \m/ fml ffs". tm Grey Black). If our society has truly gotten so thin-skinned that we take the acclamation of "Good game" as an INSULT? Perhaps we need to stop rewarding trophies for participation and focus on achieving greatness, rather than rewarding mediocrity.

[Damocles69]

GG CLOSE

[Xoxim SC]

Gambino87, on 13 February 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

You get 10x the c-bills for like the first 10 matches. You'll be out of that stalker death trap before you know it and kicking whatever badass war machine tickles your fancy in no time. Everyone who plays now had to endure it and it probably made you/us a better player because of it.

I personally refused to endure it. The first thing I did was purchase MC and buy a hero mech. There was no way in hell I was going to play a game, that is based on customization of mechs, with pre-customized mechs that don't fit any particular play style that I'm familiar with from playing other (non-mech) games.

[Sandpit]

Interesting subject. Lots of sociological things could be said about it but this is game play balance and not a Into to Soc. class so I digress.

I agree with Joe and a few of the others though. Thicker skin.

Damocles69, on 13 February 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:

GG CLOSE

GP CLOSE (Good Post)

[Grey Black]

Todd Lightbringer, on 13 February 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

I personally refused to endure it. The first thing I did was purchase MC and buy a hero mech. There was no way in hell I was going to play a game, that is based on customization of mechs, with pre-customized mechs that don't fit any particular play style that I'm familiar with from playing other (non-mech) games.

Please say you bought a Pretty Baby. I would love you to say that.

But really? Hero mechs are almost as unoptimized as the regular mechs. The difference is they give you a 30% Cbill boost. Seriously, look at the hero mechs: Some of them are even strictly worse than the cbill variants. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that the Stalker death trap champion is better and more optimized than, say, the Pretty Baby or the Golden Boy.

[DaZur]

This is what happens when we allow the wussification of society...

Little Timmy is never exposed to adversity because society shields him from it so he doesn't "feel bad". Conversely Little Timmy grows-up enters to "real world" where no quarter is given and and he winds up on a shrinks couch popping Xanax like candy unable to understand why life is so difficult.

All could have been avoided if the Gym teacher was allowed to play dodge-ball and keep score...

[Fut]

DaZur, on 13 February 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

This is what happens when we allow the wussification of society...

Little Timmy is never exposed to adversity because society shields him from it so he doesn't "feel bad". Conversely Little Timmy grows-up enters to "real world" where no quarter is given and and he winds up on a shrinks couch popping Xanax like candy unable to understand why life is so difficult.

All could have been avoided if the Gym teacher was allowed to play dodge-ball and keep score...

Very well worded, and quite comical at the same time.
You definitely hit the nail on the head with this comment.

[Sandpit]

Sorry but I'm not ready to hand out participation ribbons. This whole Mommies of America railing against this kind of thing is ridiculous. You have all of the tools and opportunities as everyone else in this game. Stop trying to make others feel bad because they're better at something than you are. WTF happened to competition and actually ENJOYING the aspect of overcoming adversity. Instead it's now, oh no! They beat us! Let's install a mercy rule, stop saying GG, nerf everything down to where we're shooting rainbows and never do damage. Everyone will win at the end of the match and get the maximum reward. As a matter of fact, mechs and mech bays are now free as well. Can't have anyone running around in a mech that someone else might not be able to afford yet, that would be "unfair".

Man up and enjoy your cake

oh
and
GPCLOSE

[Ryan Steel]

Sandpit, on 13 February 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Sorry but I'm not ready to hand out participation ribbons. This whole Mommies of America railing against this kind of thing is ridiculous. You have all of the tools and opportunities as everyone else in this game. Stop trying to make others feel bad because they're better at something than you are. WTF happened to competition and actually ENJOYING the aspect of overcoming adversity. Instead it's now, oh no! They beat us! Let's install a mercy rule, stop saying GG, nerf everything down to where we're shooting rainbows and never do damage. Everyone will win at the end of the match and get the maximum reward. As a matter of fact, mechs and mech bays are now free as well. Can't have anyone running around in a mech that someone else might not be able to afford yet, that would be &quot;unfair&quot;.

Man up and enjoy your cake

oh
and
GPCLOSE

Must...not...like... Sandpit's post! Too...much...ggclose... cannot...disagree. Aw man I think I just passed one. Yup. Get the Hazmat team.

Edited by Ryan Steel, 13 February 2014 - 09:27 AM.

[Thanatos676]

Sandpit, on 13 February 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Sorry but I'm not ready to hand out participation ribbons. This whole Mommies of America railing against this kind of thing is ridiculous. You have all of the tools and opportunities as everyone else in this game. Stop trying to make others feel bad because they're better at something than you are. WTF happened to competition and actually ENJOYING the aspect of overcoming adversity. Instead it's now, oh no! They beat us! Let's install a mercy rule, stop saying GG, nerf everything down to where we're shooting rainbows and never do damage. Everyone will win at the end of the match and get the maximum reward. As a matter of fact, mechs and mech bays are now free as well. Can't have anyone running around in a mech that someone else might not be able to afford yet, that would be "unfair".

Man up and enjoy your cake

oh
and
GPCLOSE

This is why i wanted it in K-town..

[Sandpit]

Thanatos676, on 13 February 2014 - 10:02 AM, said:

This is why i wanted it in K-town..

me too lol