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[Imperius]

Thanatos676, on 13 February 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

please send this down to K-town....this thread has no point that is legitimate.

Agreed



Edit: just reported!

Here was the message: Troll topic man it's getting hot! Ship this nuke to K-Town ASAP

Edited by Imperius, 13 February 2014 - 07:15 AM.

[Gambino87]

Kekkone, on 13 February 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

1) Nope. Playing with friends is fun. Winning with friends is fun.
2) Nope. I don't coordinate mechs with whomever i'm playing with systematically. I'm either exping a new mech, grinding c-bills with whatever mech i feel like, or running daily doubles. That's how a lot of people, who like to make the experience social play i presume. NEVER have i thought to myself or expressed the will to "stomp them PUGs"!
3) Depends on the person. If one is used to PVP-games then the answer is no. If Princess wants to win every single time then PVP is not for Princess.
4) Everyone can play how they want for all i care. Everyone is not my concern.
5) If you're trying to imply P2W, then all i can say is MWO is on an ok track concerning P2W (as in there is little or none).
6) Does not compute.

To touch on this. The only time I've ever felt compelled to 'stomp the pugs' is if some friend of mine and I found a certain combination that just feels unbeatable, and we'd play it maybe a dozen time just to see if it is actually unbeatable. Not just in this game but in games like Magic the Gathering, League of Legends, etc. I think we can all agree that if you see people calling people names and straight up harassing that's wrong. But a separate issue. At the same time, throwing a match is unethical too. But is still not associated to bullying.

I have a sneaky suspicion though that 9 times out of 10 when someone is perceived as to throwing a match, they're really not. Usually it's trying out a unique or exotic build, they're inexperienced (or inexperienced playing on someone's account with high elo), or drunk/high as crap and messin' around. Besides, disconnections are a whole hell of a lot bigger problem than people throwing games.

[Joseph Mallan]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

Some searches will reveal over 32 million hits depending on what your looking for. It's real, parents all over the world are looking into it.

This may all seem like a joke; but mark my words...this is a real thing on a lot of peoples minds outside of the virtual world we live in.

As a parent, I instill my children with the self esteem necessary to laugh at bullies or take the steps required to put a stop to them. Thank you for pointing that out.

[N Danger]

Retention in the game is not due to the community being unfriendly but it is due to the lack of features in the game.

No one that I play with launches a game to troll newbs. We might actually try to recruit them. And most of us say GG win or lose.

Just because someone is better at playing than someone else does not mean that the better player is trolling or bullying.

[Thanatos676]

Just send this down to K-town so we can unleash the atomic weapons on this thread..

[Joseph Mallan]

Gambino87, on 13 February 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

Put 'em on boys.

Already wearing one!

[Imperius]

Thanatos676, on 13 February 2014 - 07:15 AM, said:

Just send this down to K-town so we can unleash the atomic weapons on this thread..

Funny you said that I just said the same thing in my report to the mods.

Troll topic man it's getting hot! Ship this nuke to K-Town ASAP

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 07:16 AM, said:

Already wearing one!

I thought that was standard issue

[Gambino87]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 07:16 AM, said:

Already wearing one!

About spit my brunch all over my monitor lol Put 'em on! The mothership is coming!

[Triordinant]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

It was a simple thing to know I was not going to be god's gift to MWO and that, for a time, I would get my clock cleaned. If an old fart like me can grasp that, then I would have to assume that those with access to greater information than I had growing up, should also know that truth.

Unfortunately, the perception (deserved or not) of being preyed upon by premades is prevalent and easy to latch onto. How often this actually happens is irrelevant. The perception of being beaten unfairly is what's stopping some from piercing the psychological wall. Others will quit regardless, but I'd rather retain some of the newbies than almost none.

[Joseph Mallan]

Gambino87, on 13 February 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

About spit my brunch all over my monitor lol Put 'em on! The mothership is coming!

Now I cut out the middle man and use cromium instead of aluminium.

Triordinant, on 13 February 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

Unfortunately, the perception (deserved or not) of being preyed upon by premades is prevalent and easy to latch onto. How often this actually happens is irrelevant. The perception of being beaten unfairly is what's stopping some from piercing the psychological wall. Others will quit regardless, but I'd rather retain some of the newbies than almost none.

Then change your perception. Just cause you THINK you are being bullied does not in fact mean you have been. In a team game the better team wins. If you are not winning you are just not on the better team. There are things you can do to change that.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 13 February 2014 - 07:23 AM.

[Shae Starfyre]

Alright, thanks for the input, especially SI The Joker, and those others who at least entertained the idea and other aspects around it.

And the laugh's, great pics!

Have a good day, and I hope that nothing ever comes of this; but if PGI/IGP consider the future possibilities of online policing of certain plateforms potentially fostering certain behavior, maybe we can usher in a new era of e-sports and fair play that will bring in more players, and create a truly amazing community.

[Joseph Mallan]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

Alright, thanks for the input, especially SI The Joker, and those others who at least entertained the idea and other aspects around it.

And the laugh's, great pics!

Have a good day, and I hope that nothing ever comes of this; but if PGI/IGP consider the future possibilities of online policing of certain plateforms potentially fostering certain behavior, maybe we can usher in a new era of e-sports and fair play that will bring in more players, and create a truly amazing community.

Oh we have a truly amazing community... When we were aksed we gave well over $100,000 to cancer research for our fallen child. I was going to post somthing snarky about how amazing doesn't mean great... but after refrencing Sara... I can't do it properly.

[Gambino87]

Triordinant, on 13 February 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

Unfortunately, the perception (deserved or not) of being preyed upon by premades is prevalent and easy to latch onto. How often this actually happens is irrelevant. The perception of being beaten unfairly is what's stopping some from piercing the psychological wall. Others will quit regardless, but I'd rather retain some of the newbies than almost none.

Oh come one. The matches last no longer than 10 minutes usually. It's not like it's a 1-2 hour ordeal. People take their licking and move on to the next match, and who knows, maybe they learned something. Besides, ELO is supposed to buffer newbs from highly skilled players. Sure it isn't perfect but simply because you're in a premade doesn't mean that you're automatically some elite snob. Premades can lose matches too. Have had it happen tons of time.

In such a competitive style of game it'd be hard to believe you'd really think that losing matches would be the determining factor of if you continue to play or not. If a person is so weak willed as to just give up completely after losing a few (or even several matches) then there's nothing you can change about a game like this to make them like it. You'll have winning streaks and losing streaks when you fight pugs vs pugs anyways.

[Thanatos676]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

Alright, thanks for the input, especially SI The Joker, and those others who at least entertained the idea and other aspects around it.

And the laugh's, great pics!

Have a good day, and I hope that nothing ever comes of this; but if PGI/IGP consider the future possibilities of online policing of certain plateforms potentially fostering certain behavior, maybe we can usher in a new era of e-sports and fair play that will bring in more players, and create a truly amazing community.

So you start a flame war, then give up? That is textbook trolling..

Edited by Thanatos676, 13 February 2014 - 07:28 AM.

[Triordinant]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 07:22 AM, said:

Then change your perception. Just cause you THINK you are being bullied does not in fact mean you have been. In a team game the better team wins. If you are not winning you are just not on the better team. There are things you can do to change that.

You can't change their perception when they've already left. Retain them first, then after they've gotten better in the PUG-only, premade-free queue you can impart your Wisdom of the Ages on them to your heart's content.

[Imperius]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

Alright, thanks for the input, especially SI The Joker, and those others who at least entertained the idea and other aspects around it.

And the laugh's, great pics!

Have a good day, and I hope that nothing ever comes of this; but if PGI/IGP consider the future possibilities of online policing of certain plateforms potentially fostering certain behavior, maybe we can usher in a new era of e-sports and fair play that will bring in more players, and create a truly amazing community.

Looks like we filled the trolls stomach and now that it's full he's leaving before this makes it to K-Town.

[Xoxim SC]

First and foremost, to those of you comparing this to real life scenarios you need to stop. It is damn near impossible to openly communicate in MW:O through its current state. In order to do so, you have to stop what you're doing, and type. While doing so, you're potentially getting shot in your ass from every direction.

As for the "good game" comparison to real life sports, you're comparing two teams who have had plenty of time to practice with one another and can openly communicate throughout the game playing one another. Once again you cannot do a direct comparison due to A. communication, and B. prior practice with one another. Even if you start a game with random individuals, you can easily openly communicate with one another out on the court/field.

Since I'm a HUGE Defense of the Ancients 2 (Dota 2) player, I'll use that game as a direct comparison in premade vs pug and communication comparison. During the games beta, premades could be dropped against pugs without restriction. While there are SEVERAL variables involved in competitive Dota (such as counter picking heroes, overpowered heroes in certain circumstances) they always had this lovely thing called in-game chat. This in-game chat allowed for... GASP... wait for it.... OPEN COMMUNICATION!!!!!! This open communication allowed a random group of players to potentially beat an organized team.

At the end of the day not everyone is going to bother putting together a team, or joining one in general. Some people just want to hop onto the game play a quickie and call it a day. The fact that there is a lack of open communication within the game CRIPPLES random new players in a TEAM game when they are against an ORGANIZED team. You can attempt a weak argument and say maybe they should join a team speak server and play with others, but what about those new players that want to hop into the game for the first time and get completely obliterated? Then they go into another match, with an XL Stalker (which is a piece of evil maniacal shit that should have never been placed into trial) and get stomped over, and over again? What sort of attitude do you think this game is going to breed? How do you expect this game to become successful if it can't bring in new players to hopefully spend money?

World of Talks is already complaining that a majority of their player base isn't spending a dime on their game. http://www.gamespot....0/1100-6417697/
What do you think will happen to their game if this trend continues? MW:O may eventually suffer the same fate.

Edited by Todd Lightbringer, 13 February 2014 - 08:34 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Triordinant, on 13 February 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:

You can't change their perception when they've already left. Retain them first, then after they've gotten better in the PUG-only, premade-free queue you can impart your Wisdom of the Ages on them to your heart's content.

Sorry but quitters gonna quit. I try to teach my son resolve, but he is unreceptive. He is Autistic and part of that means he has to do perfect or he just quits. It's kinda heartbreaking, cause if he could find a way to accept some failure, he would find he gets more out of successes.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 13 February 2014 - 07:32 AM.

[Thanatos676]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 07:31 AM, said:

Sorry but quitters gonna quit. I try to teach my son resolve, but he is unreceptive. He is Autistic and part of that means he has to do perfect or he just quits. It's kinda heartbreaking, cause if he could find a way to accept some failure, he would find he gets more out of successes.

Truly sorry to hear this about your son man.

[Crann]

This thread is pathetic. Ive never played with more than 1 other person in my group. I have no problem with premades whatsoever. Sure they may be better organized and ultimately win more. But.. bullying? Wtf is that sh*t. Sounds like personal issues to me.

If you dont like it then get some friends and start your own premades, plain and simple. Although with a mentality like that you probably dont have any friends. I know i prob wouldnt.

Complaining about "bullying" and complaining about saying GG needs to stop. Or! get your mom to play so she can stroke your ego to counter it out. Either way, this isnt a community issue so lets just drop it.