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[Shae Starfyre]

SI The Joker, on 13 February 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

@OP:

Absolutely poor sportsmanship? Lots and lots and lots of it in this community.

Cyber-bullying, though? I can't get behind that. You have to understand that there are some truly petulant children out there and sadly they play this game (Be thankful this isn't the DOTA community). Their goal is simply to upset you and judging by the sounds, perhaps they have.

You're never going to fix poor sportsmanship. There will always be that (those) guys who will say "ggclose" after a roflstomp. Heck, sometimes I even see things like "ggclose... well done matchmaker!" So is that bullying as well?

The answer is no. New players need a better experience, of that there is no doubt. But calling folks out as cyber-bullies for displaying poor sportsmanship is not, in my opinion, correct either.

Fair enough, and point taken.

And hereis the but... how many other aspects of human life were 'Not' something until enough people clamered that it 'Was' something, and suddenly, there are laws against it?

Psychological Damage is a good example.

Kids will have to grow up eventually, and if, not to say they will, take this attitutude into the real world, they will find a reckoning.

Somewhere down the road, law makers, governers, senetors, might just find the root causes that being the platforms from which this attitude stems.

And laws will be had.

Aside from that, I am not calling them cyber-bullies, I am making the stretch that the psychological effect is similiar (not the same), similiar, in that all it takes, in some states, is to be vocal enough to cause a stink about the behavior of others over the internet.

Those who leave this game, we may never know the REAL reasons; but there are studies being done, have been done, that speak to this very concept.

I would love to see something change in our community, and it needs to start with the PGI/IGP to consider these effects.

[Thanatos676]

please send this down to K-town....this thread has no point that is legitimate.

[Amsro]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 05:49 AM, said:

I appreciate the addition to the conversation, but I am looking for forward thinkers who will read the entirity of the message here, and reflect on the broader meanings.

ggclose

This thread almost made it!

Thanatos676, on 13 February 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

please send this down to K-town....this thread has no point that is legitimate.

+1

Edited by Amsro, 13 February 2014 - 06:59 AM.

[Shae Starfyre]

Artgathan, on 13 February 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

Cyber-bullying requires that one of the participants (the person being bullied) is unwilling.

By registering an account to play, you indicate that you are indeed willing. If you play the game, you are willing. You know what the stakes are before you hit launch.

True that... is it right to allow the practice, the venue for such demoralizing behavior? That may be too harsh, I appologize. But, based on the concepts I am trying to hash out (yes, I am not 100% convicted yet, just exploring the idea), there is an interesting layer of this that stems from the gaming community to the gaming companies interpretation of need, to create a venue that fosters a certain behavior.

[Gambino87]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Fair enough, and point taken.

And hereis the but... how many other aspects of human life were 'Not' something until enough people clamered that it 'Was' something, and suddenly, there are laws against it?

Psychological Damage is a good example.

Kids will have to grow up eventually, and if, not to say they will, take this attitutude into the real world, they will find a reckoning.

Somewhere down the road, law makers, governers, senetors, might just find the root causes that being the platforms from which this attitude stems.

And laws will be had.

Aside from that, I am not calling them cyber-bullies, I am making the stretch that the psychological effect is similiar (not the same), similiar, in that all it takes, in some states, is to be vocal enough to cause a stink about the behavior of others over the internet.

Those who leave this game, we may never know the REAL reasons; but there are studies being done, have been done, that speak to this very concept.

I would love to see something change in our community, and it needs to start with the PGI/IGP to consider these effects.

Put 'em on boys.

[Triordinant]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 06:48 AM, said:

And new players would still get stomped by seasoned players and leave... nothingh changes.

Wrong. Some players are capable of piercing the psychological wall and realizing they have to improve themselves to win if they feel they were beaten fair and square. As long as the possibility of "the trolling premades" exists, they can assume (rightly or not) that they were unfairly preyed upon.

[Joseph Mallan]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Fair enough, and point taken.

And hereis the but... how many other aspects of human life were 'Not' something until enough people clamered that it 'Was' something, and suddenly, there are laws against it?

Psychological Damage is a good example.

Kids will have to grow up eventually, and if, not to say they will, take this attitutude into the real world, they will find a reckoning.

Somewhere down the road, law makers, governers, senetors, might just find the root causes that being the platforms from which this attitude stems.

And laws will be had.

Aside from that, I am not calling them cyber-bullies, I am making the stretch that the psychological effect is similiar (not the same), similiar, in that all it takes, in some states, is to be vocal enough to cause a stink about the behavior of others over the internet.

Those who leave this game, we may never know the REAL reasons; but there are studies being done, have been done, that speak to this very concept.

I would love to see something change in our community, and it needs to start with the PGI/IGP to consider these effects.

Odd how that works. I was bullied in school fro many years. Then nature made me bigger than the bullies, then I began bullying the bullies, when I saw them bullying the helpless! If players of games cannot whether some smack talk they should not be participating. Cause for all of my 47 years... smack talk has been an integral part of competing. I have seen plenty os smack talk in game, I have yet to see bullying.

[Shae Starfyre]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 06:48 AM, said:

And new players would still get stomped by seasoned players and leave... nothingh changes.

But they would be leaving on the merit of their understanding of their own skill set and lack of desire to get better, not unknown factors forced into the community that feel like cheats.

[CaptBlack]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Fair enough, and point taken.

And hereis the but... how many other aspects of human life were 'Not' something until enough people clamered that it 'Was' something, and suddenly, there are laws against it?

Psychological Damage is a good example.

Kids will have to grow up eventually, and if, not to say they will, take this attitutude into the real world, they will find a reckoning.

Somewhere down the road, law makers, governers, senetors, might just find the root causes that being the platforms from which this attitude stems.

And laws will be had.

Aside from that, I am not calling them cyber-bullies, I am making the stretch that the psychological effect is similiar (not the same), similiar, in that all it takes, in some states, is to be vocal enough to cause a stink about the behavior of others over the internet.

Those who leave this game, we may never know the REAL reasons; but there are studies being done, have been done, that speak to this very concept.

I would love to see something change in our community, and it needs to start with the PGI/IGP to consider these effects.

PROOF OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Who in their right mind would do a study on cyber bullying in MWO?

[Imperius]

Online gaming requires a thick skin. Just like the real world.

The is a game of war, death, and big robots! (smack talk)

Not rainbows, love, and ponies! (Cute talk)

Edited by Imperius, 13 February 2014 - 07:07 AM.

[Kekkone]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 05:49 AM, said:

1.) Do premades that engage in pug play feel like they have hollow victories?
2.) Do they do it because they get the thrill of stomping the competition without any real competition, threat, etc.?
3.) Do the players that receive this "abuse" feel pushed out of the game?
4.) Is the answer, everyone join a group and use TS3?
5.) Is fair play in gaming today, lost to the dollar? Lost to the corporations?
6.) Is the mentality that since it is there, it must be alright, make it alright?

1) Nope. Playing with friends is fun. Winning with friends is fun.
2) Nope. I don't coordinate mechs with whomever i'm playing with systematically. I'm either exping a new mech, grinding c-bills with whatever mech i feel like, or running daily doubles. That's how a lot of people, who like to make the experience social play i presume. NEVER have i thought to myself or expressed the will to "stomp them PUGs"!
3) Depends on the person. If one is used to PVP-games then the answer is no. If Princess wants to win every single time then PVP is not for Princess.
4) Everyone can play how they want for all i care. Everyone is not my concern.
5) If you're trying to imply P2W, then all i can say is MWO is on an ok track concerning P2W (as in there is little or none).
6) Does not compute.

Edited by Kekkone, 13 February 2014 - 07:06 AM.

[Shae Starfyre]

Thanatos676, on 13 February 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

please send this down to K-town....this thread has no point that is legitimate.

It's about game balance, silly. Please. You're so cute.

[Joseph Mallan]

Triordinant, on 13 February 2014 - 07:01 AM, said:

Wrong. Some players are capable of piercing the psychological wall and realizing they have to improve themselves to win if they feel they were beaten fair and square. As long as the possibility of "the trolling premades" exists, they can assume (rightly or not) that they were unfairly preyed upon.

So you are saying that the glass ceiling is nothing but an illusion?And there are those who know that all players are not created equal. Cause if they were we would not need Elo, or seperation of Queus so PUGs can beat on their own and premades can beat on theirs?

It was a simple thing to know I was not going to be god's gift to MWO and that, for a time, I would get my clock cleaned. If an old fart like me can grasp that, then I would have to assume that those with access to greater information than I had growing up, should also know that truth.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 13 February 2014 - 07:12 AM.

[Shae Starfyre]

CptBlackBalls, on 13 February 2014 - 07:02 AM, said:

PROOF OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Who in their right mind would do a study on cyber bullying in MWO?

Some searches will reveal over 32 million hits depending on what your looking for. It's real, parents all over the world are looking into it.

This may all seem like a joke; but mark my words...this is a real thing on a lot of peoples minds outside of the virtual world we live in.

Edited by Aphoticus, 13 February 2014 - 07:10 AM.

[Thanatos676]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:06 AM, said:

It's about game balance, silly. Please. You're so cute.

No, it a post about how you lose to others so therefore there is a conspiracy to make you feel bad and premades are the ones running this conspiracy.

[Imperius]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

Some searches will reveal over 32 million hits depending on what your looking for. It's real, parents all over the world are looking into it.

Next you'll say we shouldn't shoot each other... Pppfffft

Maybe I can talk the robots down? Mechwarrior Online: Negotiator (Staring Samuel L Jackson as the bully and Kevin Spacey as you?)

Edited by Imperius, 13 February 2014 - 07:10 AM.

[CaptBlack]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:06 AM, said:

It's about game balance, silly. Please. You're so cute.

This can be construed as cyber bullying, you called him a name that could be seen as an insult. I do not appreciate the fact that you can't provide proof of these bogus studies and that you have to call other people names to prove your point.

[SI The Joker]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Fair enough, and point taken.

And hereis the but... how many other aspects of human life were 'Not' something until enough people clamered that it 'Was' something, and suddenly, there are laws against it?

Psychological Damage is a good example.

Kids will have to grow up eventually, and if, not to say they will, take this attitutude into the real world, they will find a reckoning.

Somewhere down the road, law makers, governers, senetors, might just find the root causes that being the platforms from which this attitude stems.

And laws will be had.

Aside from that, I am not calling them cyber-bullies, I am making the stretch that the psychological effect is similiar (not the same), similiar, in that all it takes, in some states, is to be vocal enough to cause a stink about the behavior of others over the internet.

Those who leave this game, we may never know the REAL reasons; but there are studies being done, have been done, that speak to this very concept.

I would love to see something change in our community, and it needs to start with the PGI/IGP to consider these effects.

Fair, that happens throughout history... and usually winds up limiting freedoms of those who should not be affected, due to the actions of a few. That's another subject in my mind, though.

I find the idea of laws against bad sportsmanship being passed not being very high on the list of possibility, but I'll give you the aspect of online behaviors and the loss of Internet anonyminity, but that's far, far away. There's lots of evidence that suggests that the anonymous interactions that children create on the Internet change the wiring in their brains and leave them a bit... disaffected when it comes to human emotions... which is where I believe you're coming from. That said... it boils down to parenting, and that's not something any of us players can control.

I too would love to see a shiny happy world of MW gaming but man... I've been playing MW games online since Kali/MW2... and even further back on TT. I ran an online league for years back when the number of gamers online numbered in the tens of thousands... not the millions there are today. I'll tell you straight out... bad sportsmanship, on par, has not changed. The % of bad sports is about the same.... only the gamer population has gotten bigger, which makes the problem look larger than it is overall.

[Joseph Mallan]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:02 AM, said:

But they would be leaving on the merit of their understanding of their own skill set and lack of desire to get better, not unknown factors forced into the community that feel like cheats.

Really? Are you saying that I, a first time MMO/PvP player knew better than legions of FPS gamers, and on line gamers? Is that what you are saying?

[Thanatos676]

Aphoticus, on 13 February 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

Some searches will reveal over 32 million hits depending on what your looking for. It's real, parents all over the world are looking into it.

This may all seem like a joke; but mark my words...this is a real thing on a lot of peoples minds outside of the virtual world we live in.

You still didn't post a link to the "proof" you claim to have, therefore invalidating everything you say from now on about said stuides until you actually post this "proof" in a link.