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[DocBach]

Is this a discussion thread about Clan XL engines, or ferro fibrous armor?

[Sable]

Well before this thread got way off topic i just wanted to point out that they stated there won't be any mixed tech... So although clan mechs will have XL engines and will require 2 parts of the torso to be destroyed before it explodes... you won't be putting them on everything all the time because they won't be available for every mech in the game. They also stated that clan mechs will not be able to switch out their engines. So if you have a clan mech with a clan xl thats what you get. If you have an IS mech you can use and IS XL engine or IS standard engine but No clan XL engines or clan Standard engines. The OP you speak of only exist in your head.... or previous mechwarrior games but not MWO.

[Khobai]

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Is this a discussion thread about Clan XL engines, or ferro fibrous armor?

its a discussion about ferro fibrous engines

[Joseph Mallan]

Sable, on 13 February 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

Well before this thread got way off topic i just wanted to point out that they stated there won't be any mixed tech... So although clan mechs will have XL engines and will require 2 parts of the torso to be destroyed before it explodes... you won't be putting them on everything all the time because they won't be available for every mech in the game. They also stated that clan mechs will not be able to switch out their engines. So if you have a clan mech with a clan xl thats what you get. If you have an IS mech you can use and IS XL engine or IS standard engine but No clan XL engines or clan Standard engines. The OP you speak of only exist in your head.... or previous mechwarrior games but not MWO.

Do you have a link to this Sable? I don't remember reading it, but I don't disbelieve they could have.

[Noesis]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

Do you have a link to this Sable? I don't remember reading it, but I don't disbelieve they could have.

Omni-Mech rules and construction

At the very bottom it describes no Mixtech.

[Joseph Mallan]

Noesis, on 13 February 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Omni-Mech rules and construction

At the very bottom it describes no Mixtech.

Fantastic, Thank you sir.

[Willard Phule]

1) With regard to the topic of this thread.....YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Ok, look, we don't know whether or not MW:O goes with a "3 engine hits and you're dead" thing or not because, to the best of my knowledge, NONE OF US ARE THE GUYS PROGRAMMING THE @#$@ THING.

Ok. Calm. Right. IS XL engines have 3 criticals in either side torso. If you remove the said torso completely, then you have accomplished the task of making 3 engine criticals....and this happens more often than not (if you don't believe me, ask all the new players in that Trial Stalker they love so much).

Clan XL engines will have only 2 engine criticals in a side torso. So what? Once the side is gone, damage transfers to the center....at which point, you only need one more engine crit to take it out. Every time you take an engine crit, your speed drops and you build up heat. You say this will be too difficult, but since they haven't released the Omnis yet....you only have your own fears and concerns to go on. Wait until they come out and base your opinion off of cold, hard data.

2) As for "mixed tech," I don't agree with their standpoint. There are far too many instances in the BT storyline where everything from Clan DHS to Clan XL Engines have been placed into IS mechs. Granted, in those instances, they described the difficulty of doing so...and here, it's point and click (and click and drag and click again..but this isn't a UI 2.0 gripe thread). The one thing that WOULD make sense, if they were to allow mixed tech, is a HUGE price increase to place the item in an IS mech. This price is easily explained by supply and demand (everybody wants it, there's not a lot to go around) and the high price of 'techs that actually know how to make it work.

Edited by Willard Phule, 13 February 2014 - 09:17 AM.

[Noesis]

If they allowed MixTech then IS Mechs would simply equip Clan tech for much greater benefit. This since it is likely going to be slightly better in some cases than IS tech due to its lighter weight or slot use which would not be limited by OmniMech fitting rules with placement or space on Clan Mechs that help to counteract these benefits here. So irrespective of the cost issues, once constructed you end up with an over performing IS Mech in comparison to even a customised IS Mech with IS tech.

Hence the reason to not allow Mix Tech which makes perfect sense to me. Otherwise it would be an even bigger headache to try and balance Clan vs IS tech and require a lot more balance considerations with changes etc.

[Bhelogan]

Willard Phule, on 13 February 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

1) With regard to the topic of this thread.....YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Ok, look, we don't know whether or not MW:O goes with a "3 engine hits and you're dead" thing or not because, to the best of my knowledge, NONE OF US ARE THE GUYS PROGRAMMING THE @#$@ THING.

This was discusses in the Ask the Devs VLOG 2
http://mwomercs.com/...he-devs-vlog-2/
So yea,the guy programming it.

Edited by Bhelogan, 13 February 2014 - 09:34 AM.

[Willard Phule]

Bhelogan, on 13 February 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

This was discusses in the Ask the Devs VLOG 2
http://mwomercs.com/...he-devs-vlog-2/
So yea,the guy programming it.

*facepalm*

OK, you win.

You know what would work better than everything? Just nerf everything so that it only does 1 point of damage and the maximum range is 30 feet. Then we can all just stompy robot around for hours at a time, making cool noises and such. And nobody...NOBODY...dies. The new players won't cry that something is too powerful, the experienced players won't complain about uneven matches...it's a win/win scenario. And besides, it's headed that direction anyway. Might just as well hurry it up and make it happen.

[Bhelogan]

Willard Phule, on 13 February 2014 - 09:39 AM, said:

*facepalm*

OK, you win.

You know what would work better than everything? Just nerf everything so that it only does 1 point of damage and the maximum range is 30 feet. Then we can all just stompy robot around for hours at a time, making cool noises and such. And nobody...NOBODY...dies. The new players won't cry that something is too powerful, the experienced players won't complain about uneven matches...it's a win/win scenario. And besides, it's headed that direction anyway. Might just as well hurry it up and make it happen.

Lol, better than some of the balance ideas I have seen......

[Corvus Antaka]

Todd Lightbringer, on 13 February 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

You are taking the risk as an IS mech using XL engines, a KNOWING RISK. What options do clan mechs have in regards to their engine choices? 0. So why should clan mechs be punished anymore than what they are? The engines are perfectly fine.

I agree. clan mechs are supposed to be better.

Besides why go for the engine when you can just leg em and run away

[Trauglodyte]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 February 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:

Been this way for 30 years... why is it a problem now? Before it it even introduced???

Cause MadCat02 will whine and moan and create pointless threads about everything. I swear, if he and Victor Morson had a love child, ...

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Trauglodyte, on 13 February 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Cause MadCat02 will whine and moan and create pointless threads about everything. I swear, if he and Victor Morson had a love child, ...

Victor may complain about most everything, but at least he knows what he's talking about...

[Lucian Nostra]

MadCat02, on 13 February 2014 - 08:22 AM, said:

I am not wrong

ON wiki it says

12% Less weight per ton (14 slots penalty)
12% More potection per ton

It does both !

Otherwise there would be no reason to use Ferro Fibrous over Endo steel . It would be silly

Uhm it doesn't and that's why nobody uses FF on any mech in MWO except a light that isn't maxed out on armor and has 14 slots to burn.

FF is terrible and it always has been, it was simply PER GAME LORE the easiest upgrade to aquire and install on a mech. Either you free'd up some tonnage to add in another weapon or you finally got to max a chassis' armor out when using FF at a low cost.


From Sarna:

Ferro-Fibrous armor (FF) is a special type of armor used by vehicles and BattleMechs. Utilizing a weave of ferro-steel, ferro-titanium, and diamond weave fibers which boosts the tensile strength of the plating^[1][2], it provides more protection per ton than standard armor (12% for Inner Sphere FF, 20% for Clan FF), but takes up more space on the 'Mech or vehicle (14 critical slots for Inner Sphere, 7 for Clan 'Mechs; two slots for Inner Sphere vehicles, one for Clan). The maximum amount of protection is not changed; merely the weight of armor required to achieve that level of protection. For a unit which already has maximum armor protection, it is therefore considered a weight-saving measure, at the cost of critical space. The weight savings for Endo Steel are greater than those saved by ferro-fibrous armor, but it is more costly and obviously more difficult to repair or add as an upgrade to a 'Mech.

If you can find something in there that says 12% more protection AND 12% less weight than you my sir have found something so massively missed in all of battletech by every single person that has ever played and worked on it that you must be a wizard.

Or it could say exactly what everyone has been pointing you too.. I mean it even says and I quote "the maximum amount of protection is not changed, merely the weight of the armor required to achieve that level of protection. For a unit which already has maximum armor protection, it is therefore considered a weight-saving measure at the cost of critical space"

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 13 February 2014 - 10:29 PM.

[Pando]

I read you


Clan XL Engine. Also good.

#pandoagrees

#lol

[Nick Makiaveli]

SI The Joker, on 13 February 2014 - 07:24 AM, said:

Um, I thought you won't be able to change out the engine, no?

Point moot, then?

/thread


So... "hole" should be "whole" and "root" should be "route". You dig a hole in the ground so the whole box will fit in the ground. You plot a route to the farmer's market so you can buy some roots.

[Dirkdaring]

Clans are supposed to be OP. It's the entire point of them. Go read the books.

[Grey Ghost]

DocBach, on 13 February 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

A point was brought up that in Battletech, each engine hit creates +5 heat; losing a side torso is the same has having two hits to the engine, which would cause +10 heat. +10 heat drops your speed 2 movement points which is the equivalent of around 20kph in MWO.

It'd be neat to see Clan XL 'Mechs who lose a side torso take a hit to mobility and speed, or at the very least generate more of a baseline heat level.

Sounds good.

[Almond Brown]

DocBach, on 13 February 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

Is this a discussion thread about Clan XL engines, or ferro fibrous armor?

From what I have read to this point, it is neither. It is simply yet another cluster frack, like 112% of all the others. And if Madcat is getting 12% more protection, I want mine as well and NOW ffs. lol!