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[Lord Letto]

Smokeyjedi, on 22 February 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

DECENT
Okay now u need to monitor your CPU temps to see how close to crazy temps you are.(try some games with 2nd screen hooked up as extended desktop you can load gpu monitor on it,cpu temp and see how that 4100 is doing with 1 fan.........Than we talk DDR3..........tasty

**edit** you could bring NB up to 2400-2500 with no problems..... after 2600 its sketchy and needs voltage (see; pain in the arse)

As far as MWO settings goes, POST PROCESSING is the grainy textures or smog, in the distance, a massive CPU intensive process id put shaders up and post processing down. should give a healthy bump to FPS...........

Than after that your ddr3 is the next performance jump.....I just dont know your settings as far as what you could select for ram speeds at this moment and settings in bios. and we would look for reviews of OC your hyper X kingston????? 1600 CL9? post a link to exact set of sticks and we will start/ but OC ram past its natural 1600 is going to add heat......we may not want to do this......untill you have 2nd fan/

Can't do second monitor as only spare monitor is VGA only and I only have 1 DVI to VGA Adapter for my 560TI that's currently used for my new monitor (I Have No DVI Cable to hook it up via DVI and use the DVI to VGA for old monitor). I'll Try Manually bringing up the NB, maybe reduce FSB (CPU Frequency) to 216-215 to bump HT Link Frequency up from x11 to x12 (as is it would go up to 26xxMHz at x12, 1 or 2 off FSB should help). as for MWO Settings, I'll try swapping PP and Shaders.
as for Ram, it's like this except I don't remember it saying blu on the Heat spreader and I don't remember the part number off the top of my head to look up the exact set (off top of my head it's 2x4GB Sticks, Rated for 1600MHz but MOBO clocked them at 1333MHz Stock, Blue Heat spreader and IIRC it's CL9): http://www.kingston....mory/hyperx/blu

[Smokeyjedi]

http://www.overclock...x_blu_ddr31600/
*edit* apparently they are half decent stix if these are the ones......
we dont need to make scream either, from 1600 to 1866 there isnt enough performance to lean on them that hard.

Clearly these stix are defaulting to XMP profile 1333 CL8, auto, for Intel low power consumption,(lolz)
we wont be needing that......

your going to set them to 9-9-9-27(use the + key so u change the proper settings) and whatever speed your mobo gives you as close as possible to 1600**** but under. leave voltage on auto.
so you may land 1550ish would be sweet, 1587<----random number under 1600(<---due to manually set timings) would be awesome.............above 1600mhz, will cause you to have to mess with those 9-9-9-27 timings, and that is something you decide to be adventurous with one afternoon when you cant find anything to do. lol talk about time consuming.

Edited by Smokeyjedi, 22 February 2014 - 04:28 PM.

[Lord Letto]

close, according to the Part number listed in CPU-Z (9905403-400.A00LF) It's these:
http://veterans.org....-4gb-ddr3.9694/
http://www.memoryben...3-400.A00LF+4GB
reduced FSB by 1 to 216 and upped HT and NB to x12 to run @ 2592MHz, reduceing the FSB by 1 took CPU to 4752MHz and Memory to 1439MHz, just need to test new settings in MWO.

Edited by Lord Letto, 22 February 2014 - 04:29 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Ok, just for the sake of wanting more knowledge if thats true.

from this point....now that you have a solid idea of how things react to multipliers and fsb, you could..............

lower CPU mult. 1- for headroom on FSB clock......to be upped.
lower HT mult, 1- for headroom on FSB clock.....to be upped.
lower NB setting 1 step- for headroom on FSB clock,
than we can walk the DDR3 up in steps with the FSB +.....honing in on 1600 9-9-9-27 auto voltage.<-leaving all setting above under your known safe max.......

**PS** i have photographic memory, now that you are squeezing in on 60+* celcius you are going to want to turn your hyper 212+ 90 degrees so it exhausts to the out fan in your case..............you are holding 1-2 or even more degrees inside the fins with cramped flow......(MY OCD takes effect-your in for it now.)

[Lord Letto]

Just done the MWO Test, Idle in testing grounds was basicly the same, lost about 2FPS with Shaders and PP Swap (60-62FPS to 58-60FPS, sometimes 57-60FPS)
done 2 matches this time, 1st match was on River city nigh, I only noticed the FPS go down to the 30's with it going up to 50-60 range depending on location and action taken
2nd Match was on Canyon Network and FPS was worst there, Lowest I noticed was 19-22 while getting hit hard/cockpit shake once, other than that low end was 20's (Yellow so 22+), didn't notice high/average, I'll say 40-50, maybe up to 60 depending on location and what was going on.
alt-tabbed out after getting to front end after 2nd match and Easy tune 6 showed System Temp @ 39*C and CPU Temp@ 48*C
Will see how high I need FSB to go to get Memory to 1600MHz while reducing multipliers for rest then do another MWO Test.

[Smokeyjedi]

I am just "digging" this progress....Oc is def, one of my hobbies and you are making leaps and bounds.....I wish I had been able to condense the important information right off the hop, like I have done for you.........saved you probably months of tinkering just to know what the setting does..........

** Oh snap, damage glow settings can make massive difference** could explain the 19-20fps you see while in the heat of damagae glow'ing battle. just a thought..

[Lord Letto]

FSB@240=
CPU Clock = 4680MHz @ x19.5 (@x20 it's 4800MHz Even)
HT/NB @ x10 = 2400MHz (@ x11 would be 2640MHz)
Memory @ Auto = 1599MHz

FSB@241=
CPU Clock = 4699MHz @ x19.5 (4820MHz @ x20)
HT/NB = 2410MHz @ x10 (2651MHz @x 11)
Memory @ Auto = 1606MHz

Right now it's at the 240 settings I have listed (x19.5 and x10)

and for damage glow, I'll try with it off for this MWO Test.

Edited by Lord Letto, 22 February 2014 - 05:43 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Lord Letto, on 22 February 2014 - 05:42 PM, said:

FSB@240=
CPU Clock = 4680MHz @ x19.5 (@x20 it's 4800MHz Even)
HT/NB @ x10 = 2400MHz (@ x11 would be 2640MHz)
Memory @ Auto = 1599MHz

FSB@241=
CPU Clock = 4699MHz @ x19.5 (4820MHz @ x20)
HT/NB = 2410MHz @ x10 (2651MHz @x 11)
Memory @ Auto = 1606MHz

Right now it's at the 240 settings I have listed (x19.5 and x10)

and for damage glow, I'll try with it off for this MWO Test.

^^WINNING!!!! welcome to 30-40% extra performance from your 4100......The bleeding edge... Be careful Icarus!! dont fly too close to that sun...... from here on out, you are to adjust with less aggressiveness and make minute adjustments.......... for the sake of stability....... Freeze ups or hard locks requiring you to flip the switch on your PSU usually are hinting @ small voltage bumps.......usually on the last setting u messed with: ie; HTv or NBv or fsb <---- Imagine you are chasing the little green instability gremlin, he always leaves a clue where he was.........and was always just behind your back.......lol, quite the analogy if I do say so myself.

[Cybermech]

so did smokey help talk you out of getting 2x560ti's?
hope so, one oc'd seems enough for me.
Like i said before I got 2 and only use 1, will get a new card in a few months.

some nice work there smokey

Edited by Cybermech, 22 February 2014 - 06:15 PM.

[Lord Letto]

MWO Test= 55FPS Idle looking ahead and just to see, turned/twisted Torso all the way right and got 66FPS, all the way left got 63FPS (Cent Champion I got free yesterday, same mech as other tests)

had 2 matches with DG Off, 1st was HPG, Lowest was 23-24 FPS while taking/receiving damage running through underground/theta area, other then that it was 30-40's and 50-60's even up to 70 at one point while spectating, all depends on location and actions
2nd match was Tourmaline Desert (also DG Off) and was pretty much the same (Lowest was like 24-25 or so, maybe 23-24)

after 2nd match and returning to front end, alt tabbed to ET6 and Temps showed 39*C System, 47*C CPU

Also, the 2nd 560Ti I was thinking of can go **** it's self if I can get this performance with Ocing @1080P (1920x1080)

I'm temped to bump CPU Multi up from x19.5 to x20 just to see how it handles 4800MHz (Bit faster then when you had it, 45-50MHZ or so), but I think it's fine for now unless your curious also Smoke. also, what was your FPS Like when you had it (Taking some off for patches like 12v12 and whatnot)?

Edited by Lord Letto, 22 February 2014 - 06:29 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Lord Letto, on 22 February 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

MWO Test= 55FPS Idle looking ahead and just to see, turned/twisted Torso all the way right and got 66FPS, all the way left got 63FPS (Cent Champion I got free yesterday, same mech as other tests)

had 2 matches with DG Off, 1st was HPG, Lowest was 23-24 FPS while taking/receiving damage running through underground/theta area, other then that it was 30-40's and 50-60's even up to 70 at one point while spectating, all depends on location and actions
2nd match was Tourmaline Desert (also DG Off) and was pretty much the same (Lowest was like 24-25 or so, maybe 23-24)

after 2nd match and returning to front end, alt tabbed to ET6 and Temps showed 39*C System, 47*C CPU

Also, the 2nd 560Ti can go **** it's self if I can get this performance with Ocing @1080P (1920x1080)

I'm temped to bump CPU Multi up from x19.5 to x20 just to see how it handles 4800MHz (Bit faster then when you had it, 45-50MHZ or so), but I think it's fine for now unless your curious also Smoke,

Well its safe to say you will be more than excited when DX11 hits those frame rates like The babe hit a hardball,-and sends it soaring....... lolz,

[Cybermech]

lolz I'm so fail, spend the time looking back on this OP to see your setup.
Just noticed your sig.. lolz.. dear god...

Sounds like smokey helped ye out then.
The more you push the more you run into instability like smokey mentioned.
If you start running into random issues, turn the OC down a wee bit.

[Smokeyjedi]

Cybermech, on 22 February 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

lolz I'm so fail, spend the time looking back on this OP to see your setup.
Just noticed your sig.. lolz.. dear god...

Sounds like smokey helped ye out then.
The more you push the more you run into instability like smokey mentioned.
If you start running into random issues, turn the OC down a wee bit.

I only have such faith in this particular chip due to the fact i used a crappy 880GM-LE asrock budget board to get that 4100 to 4.86ghz I settled for 4760mhz for 24/7 OC... untill the board popped after 6months in lightining storm cooking PSU, HDD and 880GM-LE(4100 made it, never flinching!) ........... That 990 Gigabyte he has would absolute destroy that 60$-new AM3+ board

Edited by Smokeyjedi, 22 February 2014 - 07:10 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

All this talk of Robot death, I think Ima jump in.....

[Lord Letto]

so, no wonder FPS is so bad, the FX-4xxx series are really dual cores, not Quad cores as AMD/ATI False advertises them as, to get a true Quad core FX Series I would need the 8xxx/9xxx Series, due to Games being more CPU then GPU, I think I'll keep my 560TI for a while and just save up for a 8350 or a 9xxx that's 4+GHz Stock and the 8350 is only $35-45 or so more then the cheaper 8320 and a .5GHz Difference stock.

[Smokeyjedi]

Lord Letto, on 23 February 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

so, no wonder FPS is so bad, the FX-4xxx series are really dual cores, not Quad cores as AMD/ATI False advertises them as, to get a true Quad core FX Series I would need the 8xxx/9xxx Series, due to Games being more CPU then GPU, I think I'll keep my 560TI for a while and just save up for a 8350 or a 9xxx that's 4+GHz Stock and the 8350 is only $35-45 or so more then the cheaper 8320 and a .5GHz Difference stock.

well outta the box the 4100s are a bit weak, but after a heavy tweak session and a decent cooler, they can at least hold thier own......and pull some decent frames on a half decent GPU.......hey for the dirt cheap price u got it, you doin ok...

[Gremlich Johns]

Don't choose the 750, it's a budget card barely better than the one you have.

go for the 760 or 770 instead or overclock the crap out of your 560 with precision X. (just set your target FPS to 70 or 80), save your money up and get a better card in about 5 months or so.

I played MWO for about a year using an OC'd FX-4100 (with all four cores operating) and an OC'd 560 ti Fermi. AND running Precision X.

consistent 45-55 FPS

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 24 February 2014 - 02:07 PM.

[darqsyde]

Lord Letto, on 23 February 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

the FX-4xxx series are really dual cores, not Quad cores as AMD/ATI False advertises them as, to get a true Quad core FX Series I would need the 8xxx/9xxx Series

This isn't exactly true, but it's not exactly false either. AMD Bulldozer(et al) CPU are based on "Modules". Each Module contains 2 Integer cores and 1 floating point unit(along with shared L2 cache). Soooo....AMD counts each Integer core as a CPU core(ye olde skool x86 core), and software recognizes them as threads. Therefore the FX4xxx(and A8/A10) are 2 Module/4Core/4Thread CPUs,

Needless to say, this design coupled with current software programming, has resulted in sub-optimal performance generally for the Module style architecture. There are however some situations where the FX series can out perform equivalent cost Intel CPUs.

Thus endeth the lesson.

[Dagon Zur]

My rig is i7 960 Quad (@ 3,6Ghz), 6GB RAM. 2x GTX 560 Ti. I'm using 3 monitors for surround gaming (5760x1200 total res)

Don't go 560 Ti SLI for puposes of MWO.

Other, finished, modern games really benefit from SLI (Arma3, COD, Crysis3, you can play these games on 3 monitors, 5760x1200 with 560 SLI, good FPS, very impressive, btw.. )

Why not MWO?

MWO does not support SLI...

There is a thread on forums on how to enable SLI in MWO, but i had problem with that because my FPS was oscilating worse than before (i had double FPS with SLI but FPS drops when lasers firing were horrible, much worse than with a single card, combat is almost impossible)

Finally, to be able to play this half-finshed product, i had to turn off SLI and go back to using only 1 monitor.


This game is not finished yet, so any hardware investment for the sake of MWO only could bring you dissapointment...

..permanent BETA

[Goose]

https://forums.gefor...736324/#3736324

Have you turned off damage glow?

Edited by Goose, 25 February 2014 - 04:30 PM.