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[CyclonerM]

Pariah Devalis, on 12 March 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

Man. If you insist on using the barbarian designation, at least spell it right. Every time you type "daishy" I cringe.

ClanNazi

You may want to challenge KuroNyra to a "Trail" of Grammar, quiaff?

Well, i agree. It is Daishi! However, i prefere Dire Wolf over it, for sure.

[Pariah Devalis]

He can call it whatever he chooses to. I call it a target. A terrifying force of nature, but a target.

[Wolf Hreda]

I believe one of the primary reasons behind the psychological impact of the Timberwolf (I refuse to call it by its surat-given moniker) was the fact that Comstar, arguably the most technologically advanced faction of the Succession Wars era, came to realize that even they were unable to rig a Catapult to match the performance of that behemoth. It was then that they realized they were essentially screwed. Great stories.

[Fyrwulf]

Mordin Ashe, on 09 March 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

For me it is the Shadow Cat. From the MW4 Vengeance, this Mech was sometimes encountered in the early missions and performed very well, scaring the hell out of my 6xSL Osiris. I started to like it, it is quite small, heavily armed and very agile. Such Mech in MWO would be THE striker/flanker! And with it great looks, this would be the no.1 Mech for me to get, no matter the price.

But yes, the Timberwolf isn't a bad Mech. For reasons already mentioned it wasn't the smart man's choice in MW4, but still a very good mix of LRMs and lasers (didn't use ballistics back there), both deadly and safe if one preferes to stay a bit further from the combat. Still, I like the Shadow Cat better.

Respectfully, I disagree. The Black Lanner is a better all around mech; more heavily armored and armed, not to mention significantly faster. The A alternate config is way better than the Shadowcat at the scouting role as well. Hell, give me a Cauldron Born A config for cavalry work.

[Pariah Devalis]

Why are you comparing a heavy to a medium? The Thunder Chicken is also only notable for being uninspiring. That is not to say I think the Shadowcat is stupendous. Might sound odd coming from a Nova Cat, I know. However, I prefer the Huntsman for my medium mech needs.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 12 March 2014 - 02:49 PM.

[Pando]

Nostram, on 08 March 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

For me what made me love the mech was the "D" configuration. 2x ERPPC, 4x Streak SRM 6 (2 of which were rear facing)
Unfortunately for all of us... MWO does not have rear facing weaponry.

Nostram, on 08 March 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

For me what made me love the mech was the "D" configuration. 2x ERPPC, 4x Streak SRM 6 (2 of which were rear facing)
Unfortunately for all of us... MWO does not have rear facing weaponry.

don't you mean "fortunately"

[CyclonerM]

Pariah Devalis, on 12 March 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Why are you comparing a heavy to a medium? The Thunder Chicken is also only notable for being uninspiring. That is not to say I think the Shadowcat is stupendous. Might sound odd coming from a Nova Cat, I know. However, I prefer the Huntsman for my medium mech needs.

A Stormcrow (or a Nova ) would be just fine for my medium 'Mech needs

Pando, on 12 March 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

don't you mean "fortunately"

No, he does not

[Pariah Devalis]

Yeah, the Delta is a solid build, but way too hot for MWO. Not sure if a fortunate or unfortunate thing, honestly. IIRC, it uses just the stock 15 DHS. Incidentally, when using the heat simulator, I found that the Nova Cat, with 25 DHS, is almost heat neutral firing just the twin ERPPC back to back to back to back, and can chain fire them indefinitely. o_0

[CyclonerM]

Pariah Devalis, on 12 March 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Yeah, the Delta is a solid build, but way too hot for MWO. Not sure if a fortunate or unfortunate thing, honestly. IIRC, it uses just the stock 15 DHS. Incidentally, when using the heat simulator, I found that the Nova Cat, with 25 DHS, is almost heat neutral firing just the twin ERPPC back to back to back to back, and can chain fire them indefinitely. o_0

You might forget Clan Ghost Heat.. The only piece of Clan tech not getting nerfed!

[Pariah Devalis]

Ghost Heat only impacts 3+ PPC/ERPPC. The triple ERLLas, however.... But I sat there and chainfired THOSE in the simulator for a minute and had plenty of heat scale left to spare. Freaking ridiculous.

http://keikun17.gith...heat_simulator/

Try it. Forest Colony (heat neutral map), 280 XL, all efficiencies, ghost heat enabled, 15 external DHS, 3xERLLas, 2xERPPC

[Gremlich Johns]

KuroNyra, on 08 March 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

Hello guy's. I've always been curious about one thing.

Why is the Timber Wolf/MadCat so well know and so feared?

don't futz with sarna, read the fiction.

[Craig Steele]

Gremlich Johns, on 12 March 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

don't futz with sarna, read the fiction.

+1

[Fyrwulf]

Pariah Devalis, on 12 March 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Why are you comparing a heavy to a medium?

Black Lanner is a medium, dude. Unless you're talking about the Cauldron Born, in which case I threw that in there as a better example of a cavalry mech to refute Mordin's comment that the Shadowcat is the definitive cavalry mech.

[hizBALLIN]

Fyrwulf, on 12 March 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Black Lanner is a medium, dude. Unless you're talking about the Cauldron Born, in which case I threw that in there as a better example of a cavalry mech to refute Mordin's comment that the Shadowcat is the definitive cavalry mech.

I won't lie, I was pretty sad when the Cauldron Born (Ebon Jag) wasn't a mech offered in the inital release of clan mechs.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Pariah Devalis, on 12 March 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

Ghost Heat only impacts 3+ PPC/ERPPC. The triple ERLLas, however.... But I sat there and chainfired THOSE in the simulator for a minute and had plenty of heat scale left to spare. Freaking ridiculous.

http://keikun17.gith...heat_simulator/

Try it. Forest Colony (heat neutral map), 280 XL, all efficiencies, ghost heat enabled, 15 external DHS, 3xERLLas, 2xERPPC

but you're using IS mwo tech. the devs aren't going to leave the Cerppc and CerLLas with just those values for sure. the critslots weight and range are being left alone so i doubt they'll be happy with just nerfing the damage down to IS values, not only is that a little sad for clanners but the scaremongers will still say it's way OP so it will see significant heat increases base value and GH. i guarantee that.

[GuardDogg]

No one brought up the MechCommander intro of the MadCat.

[Craig Steele]

hizBALLIN, on 12 March 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

I won't lie, I was pretty sad when the Cauldron Born (Ebon Jag) wasn't a mech offered in the inital release of clan mechs.

It's more of a post Tukayyid mech, pretty sure it will be in the next package. Maybe even a Clan reinforcement? But I suspect Maddog will get the nod over Ebonjag.

[CyclonerM]

Craig Steele, on 12 March 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

It's more of a post Tukayyid mech, pretty sure it will be in the next package. Maybe even a Clan reinforcement? But I suspect Maddog will get the nod over Ebonjag.

Yeah, i guess Mad Dog and Hellbringer. And we will have anyway Clan 'Mechs for at least 8 months.. Maybe later!

[Pariah Devalis]

GalaxyBluestar, on 12 March 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

but you're using IS mwo tech. the devs aren't going to leave the Cerppc and CerLLas with just those values for sure. the critslots weight and range are being left alone so i doubt they'll be happy with just nerfing the damage down to IS values, not only is that a little sad for clanners but the scaremongers will still say it's way OP so it will see significant heat increases base value and GH. i guarantee that.

TT wise, Clan ER tech was just as hot as Inner Sphere IS tech.  The heat disadvantage clans get is via their ABSOLUTE LACK OF OPTIONS when it comes to Standard vs ER.  There are no standard lasers or standard ppcs.  It is ER or nothing, resulting in a much higher reliance on heat sinks.  Yes, they gain the tonnage and pod space back, but they immediately use it to cool what they use, and having to cool more for every single thing equipped ends up bad for firepower, generally speaking.  All the more so with the 1.4 DHS system in place.


Also, they did state that they are considering tuning the range aspect down a bit.  So a reduced high end range advantage and an increased burn time on Clan lasers, being the two things they illustrated so far, are the only things we can argue have been screwed with as of yet. Especially considering that, at least in the case of ERLLas, Clan ERLLas (currently) only hit for 10 damage while for some reason IS LLas hit for 9.  Not exactly a lot to nerf here.

That is not to say they might not tinker with ghost heat, base heat values, and what not. However, I rather base an argument on what we KNOW vs what we do not know.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 March 2014 - 07:02 AM.

[hizBALLIN]

Craig Steele, on 12 March 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

It's more of a post Tukayyid mech, pretty sure it will be in the next package. Maybe even a Clan reinforcement? But I suspect Maddog will get the nod over Ebonjag.

Yea, I totally agree; it's a little bit of a travesty that the Mad Dog and Hellbringer weren't included. Especially the Mad Dog, it's definitely another iconic mech.