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[Shadelen]

I seriously despise I cant play many games.I really would like some possible solutions to playing with my right hand.I have tried my joystick and I cant get it sensitive enough for turning.

Edited by Shadelen, 28 January 2014 - 07:45 PM.

[M i s t y]

This may sound silly but how about turning using your toes E.G. 2 buttons on a broad at your feet so you can turn like if you where flying a plane , they use there feet for the rudder I think .

[Coleman Rendar]

Mistydove, on 28 January 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

This may sound silly but how about turning using your toes E.G. 2 buttons on a broad at your feet so you can turn like if you where flying a plane , they use there feet for the rudder I think .

I second that idea

Perhaps one of those plane sim joysticks + pedals.

Depending if you use claw grip or not on your mouse... maybe try that logitech 20 button mouse?

[Shadelen]

Coleman Rendar, on 28 January 2014 - 08:29 PM, said:

I second that idea

Perhaps one of those plane sim joysticks + pedals.

Depending if you use claw grip or not on your mouse... maybe try that logitech 20 button mouse?

I have a g700 logitech mouse but idk where to start if may a tad bit of ideas?

Edited by Shadelen, 28 January 2014 - 08:31 PM.

[M i s t y]

Google Gaming pedals and have a look at all the cool stuff . I mite try it myself ;P .

[unFearing]

email Razer and ask if they can make a right-handed Nostromo? just throwing out a probably half bad idea. xP

[Shadelen]

unFearing, on 28 January 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

email Razer and ask if they can make a right-handed Nostromo? just throwing out a probably half bad idea. xP

lol surprisingly I might have this working with one mouse. For me unusual but I don't mind the set up.

Edited by Shadelen, 28 January 2014 - 09:07 PM.

[Void Angel]

If you do end up getting a joystick, be sure it's a zero-order controller.

[rolly]

Hmm. Got my wife one of those G-series Logitech MMORPG Mice. It has the software to reconfigure and should (hopefully) recognize MWO.

The 12 thumb mounted buttons are programmable to suite your needs. Combined with the foot pedals you should be able to torso twist and use the mouse for movement, zoom and targeting.

I just don't recommend buying a RAT series. They have a 2 year warrant which you'll need because the hyper sensitive optics can {Scrap} out within 6 months. Returning mine this week for a repair/replacement.

Hope we get you in game!

Edited by rolly, 28 January 2014 - 10:03 PM.

[Shadelen]

rolly, on 28 January 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

Hmm. Got my wife one of those G-series Logitech MMORPG Mice. It has the software to reconfigure and should (hopefully) recognize MWO.

The 12 thumb mounted buttons are programmable to suite your needs. Combined with the foot pedals you should be able to torso twist and use the mouse for movement, zoom and targeting.

I just don't recommend buying a RAT series. They have a 2 year warrant which you'll need because the hyper sensitive optics can {Scrap} out within 6 months. Returning mine this week for a repair/replacement.

Hope we get you in game!

So far its working Granted my reflexes arent as sharpe with just one hand.

Edited by Shadelen, 28 January 2014 - 10:07 PM.

[Mahws]

Another idea, you could use a macro function to make the legs of the mech follow the torso. That way you could handle all movement with just three buttons, one to accelerate, one to decelerate and one to hold down to make the legs temporarily stop following the torso.

I actually made a similar macro already for someone else on the forum, if you think it might work for you I could throw one together and tell you how to use it.

That being said though I think the people suggesting foot peddles have the right idea for a long term solution.

[Rushin Roulette]

This mouse seems to be able to cover your needs;

http://www.amazon.co...eywords=m.m.o+7

It has a small directional button on the thumb side which you could use to control the legs (Im not sure how this would be programmable though as I personally have a different mouse from that company without the directional button).

[PhoenixFire55]

If you got pedals you can assign weapon groups to pedals and steer with keyboard as usual. If you got an old keyboard you don't really need you can put it down there and type on it with your toes. Enter and Space should be rather easy to hit. One of my friends does that for his push-to-talk button.

[rolly]

Shadelen, on 28 January 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

So far its working Granted my reflexes arent as sharpe with just one hand.

Here is another recommendation if your partner/SO/gf/wife is amicable to gaming. You have them pilot or be gunner. I did this with Mass Effect, where one of us would move the character and the other shoot. It takes practice but it really is fun when you build on good communication and teamwork.

Plus its almost like running a Battlemaster!

[rolly]

Rushin Roulette, on 29 January 2014 - 12:46 AM, said:

This mouse seems to be able to cover your needs;

http://www.amazon.co...eywords=m.m.o+7

It has a small directional button on the thumb side which you could use to control the legs (Im not sure how this would be programmable though as I personally have a different mouse from that company without the directional button).

I would NOT recommend buying this mouse. Its the same manufacturer as my RAT3. This new mouse was bought as a gift and within 3 months of standard mmorpg use the optics died. I tried every trick in the book to get it work and there are forums of users having the same problem. Finally the manufacturer consented to replace it. Ironically my $5.00 Logitech mouse is lasting longer than the fancy mouse.

[Thorqemada]

Footpedals and a Gamer-Mouse with as many Buttons as you want.
Pedals for the Speed and to Steer your Legs and Mouse for the Upper Torso Twisting and Aiming with any Functions on the Mouse-Buttons.

Which ones is up to your needs!

[Loc Nar]

My recommendation for a dialed viable setup for you:

TrackIR5 -reticule aim... high precision mouse emulation using head tracking to aim the reticule.

CH Products throttle (only stand-alone throttle I know of...)

Saitek Combat Pro pedals

Throttle for throttle and all of the keypress functions (target enemy, firing weapons, vision modes, etc) you would use keyboard for, and you're steering w/your feet. This setup would not only work, but would be completely viable even in competitive environments once you got used to using it. For off-shelf solutions though, I believe this represents your ideal setup.

Void Angel mentioned a zero-order stick above, but I'm afraid this is not really something you can just buy. What he is talking about though is a stick dedicated for positional control like the way a mouse behaves, which there are only a small handful of in-game. My HOTAS setup I made for MWO is such a creature,, but this anomaly had to be fabricated. Foust made a version, and the Steel Batallion controller is also one. These sticks are just as out of their element in a flight sim as a regular fightstick is in MWO, for the same exact reasons.

I did a writeup on this a while back called Controls Demystified(?) to try to explain what makes controls behave the way they do and why this favors certain controller types depending on the context. Much of that is not relevant for your dilemma, but controls and interfaces are something I take fairly serious since they pretty much define your experience in a game, particularly in a simulator.

[Kjudoon]

I played keyboard/mouse with left hand only for about 6 weeks. It can be done with right hand, but you'd probably have to remap your keyboard a lot that way. It can be done though and you can ask many of my Seraphim brothers on how I did. I'd recommend learning to love the LRM though. It's great that there are methods to compensate people know about.

I hope your situation is only temporary.

http://mwomercs.com/...e-armed-bandit/

[thespeech]

Pedals are definitely the way to go. You can control all movement of your mech with pedals - set one toe brake to accelerate, the other to decelerate, and twist to go left and right. Put your middle mouse to lock targets, buttons on the mouse to weapon groups and jumpjets, and you're set.

Edit - off-topic: Loc Nar, I understand the concept of your stick, but do you have a video of it in action? The pictures of the setup alone don't really show how accurate it is - e.g. if I set my X52 to somehow zero-order it would be ridiculously sensitive due to the small range of movement of the stick. How does your setup counteract that - does it behave more like a mouse in its movement across the horizontal plane, et cetera.

Edited by thespeech, 30 January 2014 - 02:25 AM.

[Loc Nar]

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Loc Nar, I understand the concept of your stick, but do you have a video of it in action? The pictures of the setup alone don't really show how accurate it is - e.g. if I set my X52 to somehow zero-order it would be ridiculously sensitive due to the small range of movement of the stick. How does your setup counteract that - does it behave more like a mouse in its movement across the horizontal plane, et cetera.

Been meaning to make a vid to show this, perhaps this weekend...

My gimbal does not move like a regular joystick. You are correct that your x-52 would be pretty twitchy, at least for the x-axis. My stick moves in pitch +/-22.5deg but in yaw (twist) +/-45deg and does not move in roll at all. I have >90deg to work with on the x-axis, so my stick would be at least half as twitchy for the same range of on-screen motion. Keep in mind I'm using TAREGET (TM's useful software), which among other nifty things allows me to use dual sensitivity on-the-fly just like any gaming mouse worth its weight. Very important -there are no spring returns, and instead I have highly damped friction rubs that allow it to stay in whatever position it is left in when I let go of it.

Because I'm using absolute inputs, the mech tracks the position of my stick. Even if you were figure out how to run absolute inputs with your x52 (MWO does not support this so you need to use mouse emulation), a spring loaded pitch/roll gimbal is the opposite of what you want for viable zero-order aim, which makes using a regular joystick a terrible idea. Can you imagine what a pain it would be to aim with a mouse if it was fighting your inputs and always trying to get back to the middle of the mousepad? One of the things that makes it a dedicated positional controller work is the lack of mechanical interference, but you can't just pull the springs out and leave it a floppy noodle either as it really needs damping and friction joints.

The only joystick with a positional gimbal (friction joints instead of spring centering) that I know of is the right stick on a Steel Batallion controller.

I don't have a video of my stick yet, but I use this video to demonstrate the relationship. It's a zero-order controller yes, but a special type called a master/slave/replica controller, which is common to high end robotics like teleosurgery and other nearly bottomless budget projects because it is considered the apex of mechanical control for a human operator. 'Master/slave' describes the absolute positional nature of the control, and it's called 'replica' because the my stick and the mech kinetically describe identical motions.



There are master/slave sticks that do not have the same motions, like Steel Batallion or Foust's T16000m conversion, which are still pitch/roll, but lack return springs and have friction joints. Using roll to control mech torso twist is doable, but less ideal for mechanical as well as ergonomic reasons, but is still light years ahead of a normal sprung flightstick. This arrangement is called 'master/slave nongeometric analogic'.

My apologies for dragging this further off topic. If anyone wants to further discuss the finer points of this, lets take this conversation to my controls thread.

Edited by Loc Nar, 30 January 2014 - 11:14 AM.