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[Straylight]

There aren't a lot of viable 45-tonners available in 3050. It won't be the P-hawk for the same reason we didn't get Marauders and Warhammers, and it won't be the Hatchetman because... yeah. If it's Inner Sphere, that leaves it as a toss-up between the Vindicator and the Wyvern. Between those two, I'd say the Vindicator is more likely simply for having a look that fits MWO's art style better... I can't see a way for Alex to make a Wyvern look like it belongs in MWO but keep it looking like a Wyvern.

Things open up a bit more if we look at Clan 'mechs, though, with the Shadowcat and Ice Ferret (which comes with a built-in Hero, the Wolf Hunter).

I'd be most pleased to see the Shadowcat, since it fills a gap between the Adder and Nova, and gives the Stormcrow somebody to hang out with. It's also one of the best-looking 'mechs in the BTU.

However:

The Vindicator is going to have the Dragon's problem of a front CT you can shoot from any angle, and its weapons load is schizophrenic. It's also slow as cold molasses, which is a death sentence for anything under 70 tons in this game.

The Wyvern will get significantly better hit boxes than the poor Vindi, since it is proportioned much like a Spider. Unfortunately it'll be far too tall, and while a tall, skinny profile is good in theory, the Wyvern, like the Vindicator, is too slow to take much advantage of a narrow target profile.

The Shadowcat ends up with the unfortunate combination of the worst traits of a Hunchback and a Raven: most of its firepower concentrated into one place (in this case a big tube rather than a box), and being all legs.

The Ice Ferret towers over everything short of a Hellbringer in the first place, but isn't particularly skinny, so I expect it to have the same basic problem as the Cicada: too big to be slow, too slow to be small.

I guess what I'm really trying to say here is that if they're going to introduce another Medium, I want my Hellhound back, dammit.

No, not this one.

This one!

[stjobe]

Roland, on 12 March 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

With melee weapons like hatchets and stuff, does that tonnage come out of the mech's weight, or is it in addition to it?

That is, does a hatchetman get 45 tons of weapons, armor, etc... AND the hatchet? Or does he have to pay tonnage for the hatchet itself, as though it were any other weapon?

Cause if it comes out of the mech's tonnage, and takes critical slots.. seems like it'd be totally craptacular.

It comes out of the 'mech's tonnage. It is "just another weapon".

Edit: A melee weapon weighs (tonnage/15) tons, so 3 tons for the Hatchetman's hatchet. It takes up one critical slot per ton of weight. You also need a full set of arm and hand actuators to be allowed to mount one.

And it's not totally craptacular in TT because it does (tonnage / 5) damage when it hits; or 9 damage for the Hatchetman's hatchet - as much as a kick, but only to the upper body (a normal BT punch without a melee weapon does (tonnage/10) damage).

Whether or not it'd be craptacular in MWO would depend on the implementation of melee and whether or not the hatchet itself was part of the arm hitbox or had its own (and what HP it would have), or if it had no hitbox at all.

Edited by stjobe, 12 March 2014 - 02:41 PM.

[FupDup]

mwhighlander, on 12 March 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

Its 45 tons, and not a Wyvern.

Spoilers!!!

Are you in the MWO Illuminati?

[Jenkss]

Hatchetman!

I don't care if the hatchet works or not initially.

Hatchetman!

Anything else will be a little disappointing.

[A Man In A Can]

Appogee, on 12 March 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

Thanks man! I've been looking for this pic for a while now so I can put it in our guild recruitment thread in Outreach.

FupDup, on 12 March 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Are you in the MWO Illuminati?

You mean there is such a thing?

Edited by Mechwarrior Mousse, 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM.

[verybad]

GAWD the Vindi would be a horrid mech in the game.In addition, the next mech SHOULD be a heavy, as the last two were Assault and Light respetively.

Vindicatior would be absolutely aweful IMO. It doesn't do anything that another mech already in the game can't do better.

[Valkyrie Brynhildr]

Is it strange that when I picture the Vindicator, I imagine some sort of high-end Assault with massive close range damage? The Vindicator in EVE Online has the highest DPS for all Sub-capital ships and is a heavily armored pirate Battleship in deep black.

[Monsoon]

Well in a previous Twitter feed comment, Russ or Bryan (I can't remember which) also commented on fudging a little with Chassis to release 'prototypes'. While for allot of us, this is the hope for a Bushwacker before 3053, it could also be applied to the Komodo.

It'd certainly offer us a different looking mech, other than the usual humanoid/chicken-walkers that we've had. Of course, I'm not too sure they want to introduce an 11 energy hardpoint mech with ECM!



P.S. Again to reiterate, it's on the Horizon...not the next mech. So I'm gonna still bet on a Heavy, with my frontrunner being the Guillotine.

Edited by Monsoon, 12 March 2014 - 04:06 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

FupDup, on 12 March 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Are you in the MWO Illuminati?

I have no idea what you're talking about





"33"

[CycKath]

Vindicator!

[Craig Steele]

Odds are its Vindicator

Wyvern and Wolftrap are viable choices but don't have the variants at the current timeline to support.

Phoenix Hawk is unseen

Hatchetman has tonnage dedicated to melee attacks not part of current game model, so unless the melee thing is about to be released I'd say thats out too.

There is not much else left

[AntharPrime]

I'm betting that it's the Wyvern based on the current pattern. So far the majority of PGI's mech released to date have either a IIC or Omnimech version. It will save them lots of money by just requiring minor touches to the model to release a new mech. I suspect that after the Clan Packages get released you will see Innersphere mechs with Clan upgrades or Omnimechs get released after that.

[Sybreed]

Corbon Zackery, on 12 March 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

snazzy

[cSand]

Sephlock, on 12 March 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

YES

man that takes me back. Seeing that scene in the theater, half pissed, and laughing with glee

[Sephlock]

cSand, on 12 March 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

YES

man that takes me back. Seeing that scene in the theater, half pissed, and laughing with glee

That poor Axeman.

[Shiro Matsumoto]

Id love the Hatchetman. but as they stil dont have collisions done right.. i dont see melee weapons working... though punches & kicks would be cool...

So.. i think Vindicator.

[Corvin Reinhardt]

It will 100% be the vindicator, they already have half the mech design in-game, completed and functioning - the shadow hawks awkward looking legs.

Yet another boring humanoid chassis

[Damocles69]

Jenkss, on 12 March 2014 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hatchetman!

I don't care if the hatchet works or not initially.

Hatchetman!

Anything else will be a little disappointing.

welp, prepare for disappointment lol

[Jenkss]

Damocles69, on 13 March 2014 - 03:32 AM, said:

welp, prepare for disappointment lol

It wouldn't be the first time I've been a little disappointed. I'll most likely still get it, I love mediums. But... Yeah.

Haha, I'm prepared but am just hoping for a little luck

[Andross Deverow]

FupDup, on 12 March 2014 - 09:04 AM, said:

It's a medium that isn't a Shadow Hawk. That is all that needs to be said, unfortunately.

Shadowhawk is not the best medium, that is a personal opinion and is determined by piloting styles. Sure it is a good mech but the only thing that makes it so is the fact it has ballistic points. Other than that it dies just as fast as any other paper medium. Myself personally, I do much better in a griffin, much better manueverability and torso twist.

Regards