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[Alaskan Nobody]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

I vote for that too! Far better than the Urbie

Urban mech was built to fight in urban environments.

Given that - (especially using BV) it is one of the most effective (stock) mechs in the series.
It is more than worth it's BV (and sometimes weight) in Timberwolves.

[jper4]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

I vote for that too! Far better than the Urbie


You do realize that only 1 of the 9 variants has an AC20, right? Yes, they were designed to carry a large AC (10), but this is MWO - any light mech with a ballistic hardpoint is just as capable as the Urbanmech to do this. The only advantage the Urbanmech would actually have is the 360 degree torso twist, IF that was even carried over.

yeah but you have to nerf the other mechs to do the same thing that comes naturally with the urbie. it'd be like buying a cicada but only using 35 tons of it because you wanted to play a jenner. i'm not concerned in the slightest about the ac 20- i wouldn;t use more than than the traditional ac10 due to probable ammo issues with using an ac20. i want to take the bad mech and see what i can do with it, not take a better mech, remove anything good about it then play it that way. why buy a mech just to nerf it?

[Wintersdark]

It surprises me how many people just don't understand the appeal of the Urbanmech.

It's not about capabilities or builds. Sure, you can mirror builds on other mechs. It's about the mech itself. If you can't separate those two things, well, you may as well just wander off elsewhere.

We want the Urbanmech to pilot an Urbanmech. Not a mech with that loadout, but an Urbanmech.

Hell, most people will be changing the loadout right away anyways, as we do with practically every mech regardless. Mechs are more than just bags of hardpoints, after all.

[Cimarb]

Shar Wolf, on 30 May 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

Urban mech was built to fight in urban environments.

Given that - (especially using BV) it is one of the most effective (stock) mechs in the series.
It is more than worth it's BV (and sometimes weight) in Timberwolves.

Even in an urban environment, I would take the Pirahna. The Urbanmech (stock) is far too slow. The only reason they were effective was as a surprise by being there in the first place when no enemy force was expected, and it was usually by hiding in cored out buildings in large enough numbers to quickly take out the enemy. None of that will be true in MWO, so I will take 12 MGs and speed anyday.

Tanar, on 30 May 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

yeah but you have to nerf the other mechs to do the same thing that comes naturally with the urbie. it'd be like buying a cicada but only using 35 tons of it because you wanted to play a jenner. i'm not concerned in the slightest about the ac 20- i wouldn;t use more than than the traditional ac10 due to probable ammo issues with using an ac20. i want to take the bad mech and see what i can do with it, not take a better mech, remove anything good about it then play it that way. why buy a mech just to nerf it?

People keep using this "naturally" and "born to" stuff. I have no problem with them adding the Urbie as a mech, and would probably give it a try like I have 50+ other mechs. In MWO, though, there is nothing that makes it "special" other than the 360 degree torso twist (again, IF that even happens).

So I hope it is implemented, but only to hush everyone up, lol.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

Even in an urban environment, I would take the Pirahna.

So would I - but the Piranha costs almost twice as much as the Urbanmech - both in CBills and BV.
Urbie: 1.4 million Cbills (cost of a Locust) 450/500 BV
Piranha: 2.7 million Cbills 800/1000 BV

IE - you would get 2 Urbanmechs for every hostile Piranha.

As for the speed - isn't really that much of an advantage in an urban environment
(though most gameplay mechanics ignore that)

[IraqiWalker]

Shar Wolf, on 30 May 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

So would I - but the Piranha costs almost twice as much as the Urbanmech - both in CBills and BV.
Urbie: 1.4 million Cbills (cost of a Locust) 450/500 BV
Piranha: 2.7 million Cbills 800/1000 BV

IE - you would get 2 Urbanmechs for every hostile Piranha.

As for the speed - isn't really that much of an advantage in an urban environment
(though most gameplay mechanics ignore that)

If you squirrel around in river city and the pickle factory in forest colony, you'll notice that dropping your speed down to 50-60 Kph allows you to waste less time breaking, and pull turns while not slowing down, and be more accurate over all. It's even better in lights, because they are small, and can even use short buildings to become invisible.

[Alaskan Nobody]

IraqiWalker, on 30 May 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

Talks about slower speeds helping maneuverability in MWO

True - but as far as I am aware - that would not hold true for TT.
(though how it would, I am not sure)

[IraqiWalker]

Shar Wolf, on 30 May 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

True - but as far as I am aware - that would not hold true for TT.
(though how it would, I am not sure)

Yeah, it doesn't show as well in TT. Not unless you intentionally move a shorter amount than normal, so as to make sure your opponent's closest mech can't actually hit you next turn.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Which doesn't make you maneuver any better though.


On the other hand, Urbie does have JJ - which were pretty ridiculously OP in TT.
(from my limited playing experience anyways)

[Cimarb]

Shar Wolf, on 30 May 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

So would I - but the Piranha costs almost twice as much as the Urbanmech - both in CBills and BV.
Urbie: 1.4 million Cbills (cost of a Locust) 450/500 BV
Piranha: 2.7 million Cbills 800/1000 BV

IE - you would get 2 Urbanmechs for every hostile Piranha.

As for the speed - isn't really that much of an advantage in an urban environment
(though most gameplay mechanics ignore that)

MWO doesn't have BV, though I wish it did, and no one is going to use the Urbie in stock form, so their comparative BVs and Cbills don't really matter.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Cbills don't really matter.

In MWO no - but then, you wanted to know why people loved it so, and most of the love for specifics comes from TT, BV or scenario balance

[Cimarb]

Shar Wolf, on 30 May 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:

In MWO no - but then, you wanted to know why people loved it so, and most of the love for specifics comes from TT, BV or scenario balance

I didn't know anyone that even liked it in TT. Only when people started making cute little memes did it become "cool"

[Alaskan Nobody]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 10:20 PM, said:

I didn't know anyone that even liked it in TT. Only when people started making cute little memes did it become "cool"

Those who ran scenarios or Minimaxed stock did - but they tended to be less social

[IraqiWalker]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 10:20 PM, said:

I didn't know anyone that even liked it in TT. Only when people started making cute little memes did it become "cool"

Oh trust me. If you have the room for an urbie, always put one in there. Honestly it's point cost was very efficient for the return if you knew where to put it, and when to use it. As some people have mentioned before. Strapping LB-10Xs on those little buggers works wonders for clearing out the skies.

[verybad]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 10:20 PM, said:

I didn't know anyone that even liked it in TT. Only when people started making cute little memes did it become "cool"

Mobile AC-10 jump capable turret is good. You use it as a backup firepower and it's surprisingly effective in a tech 1 game.

[IraqiWalker]

verybad, on 31 May 2014 - 01:30 AM, said:

Mobile AC-10 jump capable turret is good. You use it as a backup firepower and it's surprisingly effective in a tech 1 game.

You know what's more hilarious? Running a battle force that is JUST Urbies.

[jper4]

Cimarb, on 30 May 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

Even in an urban environment, I would take the Pirahna. The Urbanmech (stock) is far too slow. The only reason they were effective was as a surprise by being there in the first place when no enemy force was expected, and it was usually by hiding in cored out buildings in large enough numbers to quickly take out the enemy. None of that will be true in MWO, so I will take 12 MGs and speed anyday.


People keep using this "naturally" and "born to" stuff. I have no problem with them adding the Urbie as a mech, and would probably give it a try like I have 50+ other mechs. In MWO, though, there is nothing that makes it "special" other than the 360 degree torso twist (again, IF that even happens).

So I hope it is implemented, but only to hush everyone up, lol.

oh i'm not arguing that there's anything special about the urbie as far as what it brings to the MWO table, just that i don't see the point of gimping another chassis to get it down to faux-urbie levels when they can just put the urbie in and have it already built to do the same thing + whatever upgrades you want to put in. i'd rather play the original and not a recreation. and it'd be something that much MC would be spent on so you'd think that would be a plus for PGI/IGP to put it in the game.

will i be pulling 1k damage with 6+kills a match in it? absolutely not. will i die a horrible death if i ever run across a jenner/firestarter (anything else) on my own? most likely. will i enjoy running the little trashcan around taking potshots with an AC10 from all over the place (i hear atlases are good to pop tart over) anyway? sure thing.

[verybad]

IraqiWalker, on 31 May 2014 - 01:54 AM, said:

You know what's more hilarious? Running a battle force that is JUST Urbies.

and winning.

[Tank]

Each time I visit this thread, each time I expect confirmation of Urbie...
P.S. Never ending joke on me

Edited by Tank, 31 May 2014 - 09:52 AM.

[wanderer]

IraqiWalker, on 30 May 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Yeah, it doesn't show as well in TT. Not unless you intentionally move a shorter amount than normal, so as to make sure your opponent's closest mech can't actually hit you next turn.

Or you're moving slower on urban terrain to avoid bad skid checks.

Nothing like accidentally power-sliding into an enemy's line of sight and getting destroyed while you're an upended 30-ton turtle.