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[Ephrael]

I tried out the trial mech VTR-9s(c), and i found the combination of two ultra ac5 was to my liking.

I then browsed all the mech and found a hero mech VTR-DS to a shitload of money. I could see that i also had two ballistic mount points on right arm so i though hey a hero mech with the load-out i want so i bought it. what i didn't see is that the hero mech have some sort of arm actuator or some shit that limits its arm use so i cant mount dual ultra AC5' or an AC20 for that mater.

The VTR-9s(c) have the same range of motion of the arms as the VTR-DS so i do not know why the extra slot is used.

Also a side note. the VTR-9s(c) also have dual power based mounts on left arm where the VTR-DS only have one.

I can see no benefits of buying this hero mech what so ever other than I now have a camo which says shoot me.

Regards
Ephreal

[627]

send a ticket to support and hope for the best

[Karl Streiger]

In smurfy mech lab there is a rating for Arm yaw and pitch - you can see that the DS and K have a better yaw rating - but you should know about it - i know it because my first Mech was a CN9-AH

I'm not sure if you see that in the MWO -Mechlabs.... but i admit to don't know that you only have 8,9 or 10 slots in a arm available is disturbing

(really would like to have a Pontiac 100 on my Victor)
That means we need splitable Crits for the AC 20...(would also allow XL and AC 20 builds - for Flame, Pract and co)

Edited by Karl Streiger, 15 April 2014 - 12:48 AM.

[Appogee]

The DS comes with an additional bonus of a lower arm actuator.

While this lower arm actuator unfortunately occupies an additional slot, preventing the use of twin UAC5s, it does however enable you to do ... well, nothing.

Perhaps one day PGI will enable Mechs with hands to do something useful ... such as extending their middle finger vertically and express frustration with the way they recently nerfed all the Victors.

With the additional CBills you will earn with your gimped DS, you will eventually be able to afford to buy an S, and equip it with the 2UAC5s that you so desire.

Edited by Appogee, 15 April 2014 - 12:54 AM.

[Alexandrix]

The DS can fit 1 ac5 and 1 U/ac5 in that arm.keep in mind they both use different types of ammo,so mount both types.sucks but you might be able to make it work to your liking.But otherwise,yea,send support a ticket and see if they will refund you the MC.

For all future mech purchases use http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab before you buy to make sure the mech can load something you like.

Edited by Alexandrix, 15 April 2014 - 01:08 AM.

[Ephrael]

Appogee, on 15 April 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

The DS comes with an additional bonus of a lower arm actuator.

While this lower arm actuator unfortunately occupies an additional slot, preventing the use of twin UAC5s, it does however enable you to do ... well, nothing.

well precisely

Appogee, on 15 April 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

Perhaps one day PGI will enable Mechs with hands to do something useful ... such as extending their middle finger vertically and express frustration with the way they recently nerfed all the Victors.

And it have no hands...

[Karl Streiger]

10° more yaw range is not nothing - its almost nothing, only

although its very funny that the left arm of the Victor is nerfed because of its right arm... look you have this beautiful full activator left arm - that should give you a agility like the Atlas arms on your left side.... but you have the agility of the right.... not fair

[El Bandito]

Ephrael, on 15 April 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

I tried out the trial mech VTR-9s(c), and i found the combination of two ultra ac5 was to my liking. I then browsed all the mech and found a hero mech VTR-DS to a shitload of money. I could see that i also had two ballistic mount points on right arm so i though hey a hero mech with the load-out i want so i bought it. what i didn't see is that the hero mech have some sort of arm actuator or some shit that limits its arm use so i cant mount dual ultra AC5' or an AC20 for that mater. The VTR-9s(c) have the same range of motion of the arms as the VTR-DS so i do not know why the extra slot is used. Also a side note. the VTR-9s(c) also have dual power based mounts on left arm where the VTR-DS only have one. I can see no benefits of buying this hero mech what so ever other than I now have a camo which says shoot me. Regards Ephreal

1 UAC5 + 1 AC5 in a DS works well with a couple of PPCs.

[XX Sulla XX]

The DS works well as a sniper with the torso energy slots. 2ppc and 2 ac5 for example. It also lets you use a 400 engine instead of being capts at a 385. I liked it best with the old gause rifle as the main weopond before the new firing mechanism.

Myself I like the 9S with an AC20 and 3 SRM6s and a 380 engine.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 15 April 2014 - 02:13 AM.

[Eglar]

Trade you my Boar's Head for it...

[BladeXXL]

For the next time click on "mech details" and count the free hard points before you purchase the mech. :-)

[Karl Streiger]

BladeXXL, on 15 April 2014 - 02:46 AM, said:

For the next time click on "mech details" and count the free hard points before you purchase the mech. :-)

Won't help to know if there are 9 or 10crits available

[PhoenixFire55]

DS is used by the competitive crowd, other Victors are not. No, you didn't entirely waste your MC.

[Mister Blastman]

Ephrael, on 15 April 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

I tried out the trial mech VTR-9s(c), and i found the combination of two ultra ac5 was to my liking.

I then browsed all the mech and found a hero mech VTR-DS to a shitload of money. I could see that i also had two ballistic mount points on right arm so i though hey a hero mech with the load-out i want so i bought it. what i didn't see is that the hero mech have some sort of arm actuator or some shit that limits its arm use so i cant mount dual ultra AC5' or an AC20 for that mater.

The VTR-9s(c) have the same range of motion of the arms as the VTR-DS so i do not know why the extra slot is used.

Also a side note. the VTR-9s(c) also have dual power based mounts on left arm where the VTR-DS only have one.

I can see no benefits of buying this hero mech what so ever other than I now have a camo which says shoot me.

Regards
Ephreal

The DS is superior in that it can mount 2x AC5 + 2x PPC on the same side of the mech... or 1x UAC5 + 1x AC5 + 2x PPC, making for a powerful sniper.

[Morang]

Ephrael, on 15 April 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

The VTR-9s(c) have the same range of motion of the arms as the VTR-DS so i do not know why the extra slot is used.

Is it so? Smurphy says that Victors w/o said actuator have 10 degrees arms yaw, while Victors with actuator have 20 degrees.

[ThatBum42]

Well, the disadvantage to not having a lower arm actuator is that you can't move the arm horizontally. This is important when you have arm lock off. If you want to track fast targets like lights, or snap your aim to something you saw in your peripheral vision without having to twist your slow torso, you need a lower arm actuator. The advantage, of course, is being able to fit bigger guns in there.

The Dragon Slayer has one in both arms, the S variant only has one in the left arm.

The upper arm actuator and shoulder are for vertical arm movement (think Jager, Catapult). Every mech has them, even ones with no-hardpoint arms, for example most of the Cicadas. Hell, the Cent has a hand actuator in its shield arm, which as of yet has no use.

Personally, I dislike the UAC/5s because of the jamming and slightly reduced range. I tend to make every shot count anyway, so the AC/5's lower rate of fire doesn't bother me much. Might want to give a 2xAC/5 setup a try, free up a couple tons and critical slots.

Edited by ThatBum42, 15 April 2014 - 03:28 AM.

[tayhimself]

Appogee, on 15 April 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

The DS comes with an additional bonus of a lower arm actuator.

While this lower arm actuator unfortunately occupies an additional slot, preventing the use of twin UAC5s, it does however enable you to do ... well, nothing.

Perhaps one day PGI will enable Mechs with hands to do something useful ... such as extending their middle finger vertically and express frustration with the way they recently nerfed all the Victors.

With the additional CBills you will earn with your gimped DS, you will eventually be able to afford to buy an S, and equip it with the 2UAC5s that you so desire.

This made me snicker on the train in to work. I wish you could give a post multiple likes or all your likes for the day. I hate losing that slot to hand actuators. I don't care too much about shooting at extreme angles.

[Appogee]

Ephrael, on 15 April 2014 - 01:13 AM, said:

And it have no hands...

My Dragon Slayer is using its tongue actuator to poke its tongue at you too

Edited by Appogee, 15 April 2014 - 04:11 AM.

[Effectz]

The dragon slayer is the best Victor in the game in my opinion.

Have fun destroying people and earning lots of cbills.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...63391783047ddf2

You could also do 1 UAC5 and 1AC5.

Edited by Effectz, 15 April 2014 - 04:27 AM.

[Felbombling]

Pretty sad state of affairs when customers have to go to a fan site like Smurfy to figure out what they are buying in the game store... after two years of development. It almost feels like visiting Honest Joe's Used Car lot. Buy Now! Buy Now!

"Whaddyamean you want specifics about this fine automobile? I'm sure it has air and power steering! Will that be cash or credit?"