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[Bishop Steiner]

Pezzer, on 25 April 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

Bashing bronies is still in style? Shall we go on about how terrible Bush is, while we're at it? Nice try derailing the thread btw, gj all. I'm not a brony, not my thing, but I seriously don't understand why people can't just stop the hate and tolerate. Or are you guys still up for beating up those D&D nerds this afternoon?

Back on-topic, the new PPCs look like junk. Glad I'm not the only person that HATES the new weapon scaling. hopefully changes will be implemented Soon™.

I gotta admit, I don't get it. Goons, yeah, they can be annoying. Thankfully they seem to be trolling greener pastures. But Did I miss the Bronies causing a ruckus? Must of the ELP guys I run into seem alright.

[SweetJackal]

Bishop Steiner, on 25 April 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

I gotta admit, I don't get it. Goons, yeah, they can be annoying. Thankfully they seem to be trolling greener pastures. But Did I miss the Bronies causing a ruckus? Must of the ELP guys I run into seem alright.

It was a Goon response to you asking an ELP member to see if they can get behind your movement. The Goons causing a Ruckus and not the Bronies.

Reality is a lot of the people that identify with any internet subculture are good and/or outstanding people, not just Bronies but Furries, BDSM and nearly anything else you can name (nearly, not all of them.) Much to the point that everyone likely interacts with several people from those subcultures daily and doesn't even realize it as many don't outwardly announce that they are part of it. They don't hide it either, just many people don't ask.

Edited by SuckyJack, 25 April 2014 - 10:59 PM.

[Daekar]

SuckyJack, on 25 April 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

It was a Goon response to you asking an ELP member to see if they can get behind your movement. The Goons causing a Ruckus and not the Bronies.

Reality is a lot of the people that identify with any internet subculture are good and/or outstanding people, not just Bronies but Furries, BDSM and nearly anything else you can name (nearly, not all of them.) Much to the point that everyone likely interacts with several people from those subcultures daily and doesn't even realize it as many don't outwardly announce that they are part of it. They don't hide it either, just many people don't ask.

OK, I have to ask, what the smegging hell are bronies and goons?

[FupDup]

Daekar, on 26 April 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

OK, I have to ask, what the smegging hell are bronies and goons?

Bronies: Grown men who are into the cartoon My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Goons: Formally known as the Word of Lowtax. Basically a bunch of guys who go around and troll people, they invented the "ggclose" expression that the House of Lords started to copy. I believe one quote from a goon sums it up nicely: "We're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game."

[Daekar]

FupDup, on 26 April 2014 - 07:06 AM, said:

Bronies: Grown men who are into the cartoon My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Goons: Formally known as the Word of Lowtax. Basically a bunch of guys who go around and troll people, they invented the "ggclose" expression that the House of Lords started to copy. I believe one quote from a goon sums it up nicely: "We're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game."

OK, no comment on the Bronies, people like all kinds of weird things... no weirder than the people who keep reality TV going.

I've run into the Goons in EVE, I think. They're the lowest form of gamer, just above pond scum, and cause headaches for players and devs alike. If I could, I would lock them all up and force them to farm gold in WoW 20 hours a day until time ends.

[Mavairo]

Bishop Steiner, on 25 April 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

Well, it's actually at least been temporarily blocked on that. Bean counter decision. I know there of one aircraft the grunts with boots on the ground pray for when they call for support. Because they know by the time they hear that GAU tearing through the air, the problem is already solved.

Yet they won't demand a Refund on the Defective F22 and F35...both of which are utterly inferior for the conflicts we actually fight in, and will fight in in the future.
(especially since we can build an F15 for half the cost with the same radar cross section as an F35...)
For the price of one Raptor we could buy what did it come out to... just about 3 A10s (135 million a plane vs what 45?) or 2 A10s and one F15 and still have money left over.

Edited by Mavairo, 26 April 2014 - 08:10 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Daekar, on 26 April 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

OK, no comment on the Bronies, people like all kinds of weird things... no weirder than the people who keep reality TV going.

I've run into the Goons in EVE, I think. They're the lowest form of gamer, just above pond scum, and cause headaches for players and devs alike. If I could, I would lock them all up and force them to farm gold in WoW 20 hours a day until time ends.

And yet, some people who either are goons, or are associated with them, have also made some contributions. That said,the majority of obvious Goons I have encountered have not been an asset to the game or the community. For instance, I believe TG Xarabala is associated with the Goons, to some degree
http://mwomercs.com/...somethingawful/
but has been nothing but helpful. SO I generally don't like to paint too broad a stroke, but if TG IS a Goon, and SuckyJack, they appear to be more exceptions to the rule.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mavairo, on 26 April 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

Yet they won't demand a Refund on the Defective F22 and F35...both of which are utterly inferior for the conflicts we actually fight in, and will fight in in the future.
(especially since we can build an F15 for half the cost with the same radar cross section as an F35...)

And while we are at it, let's examine the Marine Corps Osprey debacle........while it seems to have gotten over the worst of the safety and reliability issues (maybe) ....oy vey!
http://usatoday30.us...-background.htm

Mavairo, on 26 April 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

Yet they won't demand a Refund on the Defective F22 and F35...both of which are utterly inferior for the conflicts we actually fight in, and will fight in in the future.
(especially since we can build an F15 for half the cost with the same radar cross section as an F35...)
For the price of one Raptor we could buy what did it come out to... just about 3 A10s (135 million a plane vs what 45?) or 2 A10s and one F15 and still have money left over.

Well, I do love the thinking....by spending 250 billions, we can SAVE 1 billion on upkeep on those pesky A10s......... (yes numbers are exaggerated)

[Mavairo]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 April 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

And while we are at it, let's examine the Marine Corps Osprey debacle........while it seems to have gotten over the worst of the safety and reliability issues (maybe) ....oy vey!
http://usatoday30.us...-background.htm


Well, I do love the thinking....by spending 250 billions, we can SAVE 1 billion on upkeep on those pesky A10s......... (yes numbers are exaggerated)

**** they are STILL working on the Osprey? They've been trying to build that pile of crap since the 70s!

Actually I think your #s aren't all that far off on the 22 and 35s. Even more depressing, is it's been stated over and over again that because of the expense of the 22 and 35s... even if they didn't routinely suffocate the the pilots and have engine failure issues that they would never actually see combat.

I heard they were also trying to axe the Apache too.
WTF is going on over there?

[FireSlade]

Eve makes it easy to troll, 100% PVP,100% of the time where even in "safe" zones you can be ******. 1 such safe zone a while back had a guy transporting several grand worth of PLEX time and some people jumped him coming out of the station. I am surprised that the goons ever left Eve.

[FireSlade]

Mavairo, on 26 April 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

Yet they won't demand a Refund on the Defective F22 and F35...both of which are utterly inferior for the conflicts we actually fight in, and will fight in in the future.
(especially since we can build an F15 for half the cost with the same radar cross section as an F35...)
For the price of one Raptor we could buy what did it come out to... just about 3 A10s (135 million a plane vs what 45?) or 2 A10s and one F15 and still have money left over.

Tell me about it

• F-22: Expensive at 150 million but worth it. Thrust vectoring, super maneuverable, and able to hit super sonic speeds without an afterburner. If you can see an F-22, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye since you are ******.
  
• F-35: Costs between 150-200 million, POS, cut corners everywhere, etc. I feel bad for the poor SOB that has to pilot this.
  
• F-15: depending on the model, runs between 30-100 million. Dependable, fast, and is one of the best superiority fighters in the world.
  
• F-16: roughly 18 million to make, single engine makes it even more vulnerable to ground fire. Basically your throw away plane.
  
• A-10: roughly 12 million to produce yet priceless to all out troops. Able to get to the fight faster, longer loiter time, and can bring more firepower than an Apache. Besides, out of all our planes that can try to do similar tasks to the A-10, none of them can even come close to taking the damage that the A-10 can and still fly. "[color=#252525]The aircraft is designed to fly with one engine, one tail, one elevator, and half of one wing missing."[/color]

[Mavairo]

The cockpit area of the A10 is also much safer than our other planes too.
Sometimes I wonder if the DOD is intentionally sabotaging our military. We already know they're chasing $$$ signs from the kickbacks they get from Lockheed Martin but this sort of thing is just so bloody obvious.

[Bishop Steiner]

FireSlade, on 26 April 2014 - 08:51 AM, said:

Tell me about it

• F-22: Expensive at 150 million but worth it. Thrust vectoring, super maneuverable, and able to hit super sonic speeds without an afterburner. If you can see an F-22, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye since you are ******. Aside from a little issue of cutting off pilot oxygen supply, something that might be crucial in combat situations.
  
• F-35: Costs between 150-200 million, POS, cut corners everywhere, etc. I feel bad for the poor SOB that has to pilot this.
  
• F-15: depending on the model, runs between 30-100 million. Dependable, fast, and is one of the best superiority fighters in the world.
  
• F-16: roughly 18 million to make, single engine makes it even more vulnerable to ground fire. Basically your throw away plane.
  
• A-10: roughly 12 million to produce yet priceless to all out troops. Able to get to the fight faster, longer loiter time, and can bring more firepower than an Apache. Besides, out of all our planes that can try to do similar tasks to the A-10, none of them can even come close to taking the damage that the A-10 can and still fly. "[color=#252525]The aircraft is designed to fly with one engine, one tail, one elevator, and half of one wing missing."[/color]

FTFY

[Bishop Steiner]

Mavairo, on 26 April 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

The cockpit area of the A10 is also much safer than our other planes too.
Sometimes I wonder if the DOD is intentionally sabotaging our military. We already know they're chasing $$$ signs from the kickbacks they get from Lockheed Martin but this sort of thing is just so bloody obvious.

Universal TRUISM overlooked on the F-35, you can design something that does everything, but it will never do anything WELL.

short of designing a true "Omni" AirFrame, I don't see it happening.

[FireSlade]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 April 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

FTFY

I did not hear about that story... Poor guy, equipment malfunctions and he gets the blame. Sounds like an easy fix too, once the Airforce and Lockheed get their heads out of their asses and admit something maybe wrong. Also I thought that the F-14s,F-15s, and F-16s carried an oxygen tank not a compressor. Seems like a stupid decision to rely on a system that may fail due to there not being enough oxygen outside of the plane.

[Bishop Steiner]

FireSlade, on 26 April 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

I did not hear about that story... Poor guy, equipment malfunctions and he gets the blame. Sounds like an easy fix too, once the Airforce and Lockheed get their heads out of their asses and admit something maybe wrong. Also I thought that the F-14s,F-15s, and F-16s carried an oxygen tank not a compressor. Seems like a stupid decision to rely on a system that may fail due to there not being enough oxygen outside of the plane.

http://defensetech.o...-oxygen-system/

more than one guy......
Air Force Response
http://gizmodo.com/5...we-have-no-clue

even better, Lockheed was awarded 24 million dollars MORE to investigate the failures, .....basically saying.... hey we paid you billions to design this plane, here is more money for you to fix it.

Plane seems mechanically, to have staggering advantages. Actuality seems to be some hands were greased at all levels, QA is questionable, and planes were sent to the Military likely with a known issue.

Bishop Steiner, on 26 April 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

http://defensetech.o...-oxygen-system/

more than one guy......
Air Force Response
http://gizmodo.com/5...we-have-no-clue

even better, Lockheed was awarded 24 million dollars MORE to investigate the failures, .....basically saying.... hey we paid you billions to design this plane, here is more money for you to fix it.

Plane seems mechanically, to have staggering advantages. Actuality seems to be some hands were greased at all levels, QA is questionable, and planes were sent to the Military likely with a known issue.

Also real world price has come to 420 million a piece, since the program developed 187 or so total fighters, for 80 billion dollars. And to top it off, in combat simulations, German EuroFighters beat in in Close Combat, virtually every time.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 26 April 2014 - 09:22 AM.

[FireSlade]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 April 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

http://defensetech.o...-oxygen-system/

more than one guy......
Air Force Response
http://gizmodo.com/5...we-have-no-clue

even better, Lockheed was awarded 24 million dollars MORE to investigate the failures, .....basically saying.... hey we paid you billions to design this plane, here is more money for you to fix it.

Plane seems mechanically, to have staggering advantages. Actuality seems to be some hands were greased at all levels, QA is questionable, and planes were sent to the Military likely with a known issue.


Also real world price has come to 420 million a piece, since the program developed 187 or so total fighters, for 80 billion dollars. And to top it off, in combat simulations, German EuroFighters beat in in Close Combat, virtually every time.

I am not surprise that Germany can come up with tech that can stand up to and even surpass our tech. We even use a German made cannon on the Abrams. And Sadly I am not surprised that the government spent money to fix a problem that should have been caught and fixed before it reached military hands (that is like buying a defective car and then paying the dealer to fix the problem). But that is what you get with corrupt government feeding corrupt corporations. Hopefully they can fix the problem without it costing anyone's life in the process.

[Mavairo]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 April 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

http://defensetech.o...-oxygen-system/

more than one guy......
Air Force Response
http://gizmodo.com/5...we-have-no-clue

even better, Lockheed was awarded 24 million dollars MORE to investigate the failures, .....basically saying.... hey we paid you billions to design this plane, here is more money for you to fix it.

Plane seems mechanically, to have staggering advantages. Actuality seems to be some hands were greased at all levels, QA is questionable, and planes were sent to the Military likely with a known issue.


Also real world price has come to 420 million a piece, since the program developed 187 or so total fighters, for 80 billion dollars. And to top it off, in combat simulations, German EuroFighters beat in in Close Combat, virtually every time.

It wouldn't surprise me if the F15 Active would wipe the floor with the F22. Assuming the 22s pilot didn't die from O2 starvation before combat began.

Edited by Mavairo, 26 April 2014 - 09:46 AM.

[FireSlade]

Mavairo, on 26 April 2014 - 09:38 AM, said:

It wouldn't surprise me if the F15 Active would wipe the floor with the F22. Assuming the 22s pilot didn't die from O2 starvation before combat began.

The question would be: at what range? Long range? Probably not the radar dampening on the F-22s make it very tough for the missile to lock on and maintain that lock. At short gun fighting ranges? Possibly since dog fighting is all about the pilot's ability to think fast, handle the Gs from maneuvering, and 3 dimentional thrust vectoring plus greater maneuvering surface areas would make it slightly more maneuverable than the F-22

[Mavairo]

FireSlade, on 26 April 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

The question would be: at what range? Long range? Probably not the radar dampening on the F-22s make it very tough for the missile to lock on and maintain that lock. At short gun fighting ranges? Possibly since dog fighting is all about the pilot's ability to think fast, handle the Gs from maneuvering, and 3 dimentional thrust vectoring plus greater maneuvering surface areas would make it slightly more maneuverable than the F-22

Mostly at dogfight distances. I just don't see the Raptor faring well in that kind of engagement. From my understanding weather conditions also would be a huge factor in the 22's performance. I heard it's stealth capabilities are all but useless in the rain for example.