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[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 19 April 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

I like MGs and the WUB too much to be a meta master.

don't worry! At the rate things are getting nerfed due to forum whining, MGs and WubWub might end up the new Meta!

[Pjwned]

Yep it's totally pointless to have something with the same DPS as a bigger gun, except it weighs less and takes less slots.

Who could possibly have any use for something like that.

[C E Dwyer]

Todd Bridges, on 19 April 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

Explain to me the benefits of having 75 shots that do 150 damage versus 30 shots that do 150 damage it should be interesting.

assuming you hit every time, it gives more flexibility, and if you don't then it allows you to make corrections in your aim which is an advantage in a dps weapon far more so than an alpha strike one, where the rolls would be reversed

[Coolant]

Gyrok, on 18 April 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

So, with AC5s now doing same DPS as AC2 with greater range...I have now stripped all AC2 from every mech I had them on before.

At this point there is no reason to even carry these anymore. If they do same DPS as AC5, which is more burst damage, then they are pointless...

Umm, they take one slot vs. 4....nuff said

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 April 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

don't worry! At the rate things are getting nerfed due to forum whining, MGs and WubWub might end up the new Meta!

Yeah but to get to that point, Paul would actually have to do something besides nerf mediocre weapons.

[Bishop Steiner]

mwhighlander, on 19 April 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Yeah but to get to that point, Paul would actually have to do something besides nerf mediocre weapons.

pretty sure the Gauss and Ac20 and PPCs were all slightly above mediocre when Paul nerfed them (ac20 projectile speed, PPC heat, 0 dmg Min Range, Removing sub 90 meter ECM disruption, projectile speed, Gauss Charge Mechanic)

[Deathlike]

mwhighlander, on 19 April 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Yeah but to get to that point, Paul would actually have to do something besides nerf mediocre weapons.

Paul's Nerfhammer List said:

Medium Lasers
SRMs - soon™
AC2
Gauss
LBX10 - on hold
MGs
AC10 - again

Edited by Deathlike, 19 April 2014 - 02:07 PM.

[Spades Kincaid]

Pjwned, on 19 April 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Yep it's totally pointless to have something with the same DPS as a bigger gun, except it weighs less and takes less slots.

Who could possibly have any use for something like that.

Except it's over twice as hot. It's nice how you just overlooked that.

Which means even if you use those 2 tons and 3 slots to add 2 more DHS; You now have a weapon making use of the same weight and more crits, that's still twice as hot, and gains you what?

ie - Your AC is eating more of your heat capacity and efficiency for the same DPS, lower firepower (alpha potential), and less range. So not only are you not gaining an improvement in any of those for using the AC2 vs the AC5, you're negatively impacting your ability to use the rest of your loadout as well.

Cathy, on 19 April 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

assuming you hit every time, it gives more flexibility, and if you don't then it allows you to make corrections in your aim which is an advantage in a dps weapon far more so than an alpha strike one, where the rolls would be reversed

Ability to aim and hit is a function of player skill with the weapon. Not of the weapon itself.

If the AC2's RoF helps aid you in tracking onto your target that's great. But that's not a factor of the weapon's comparative potential in itself. It's a factor of your, or my, or anyone's need for that aid. If you can fire both weapons accurately, it's a non-factor.

Edited by Spades Kincaid, 19 April 2014 - 03:36 PM.

[Todd Bridges]

Cathy, on 19 April 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

assuming you hit every time, it gives more flexibility, and if you don't then it allows you to make corrections in your aim which is an advantage in a dps weapon far more so than an alpha strike one, where the rolls would be reversed

Flexibility to do what exactly? You going for the mostly dead approach?

As for shot corrections, that only accounts for the first shot. I also find shot corrections a lot easier with AC5's the AC2's.

[xCico]

Gyrok, on 18 April 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

So, with AC5s now doing same DPS as AC2 with greater range...I have now stripped all AC2 from every mech I had them on before.

At this point there is no reason to even carry these anymore. If they do same DPS as AC5, which is more burst damage, then they are pointless...

LOL, my 3ac2 shadow still work too good, IMO ac2 is still good weapon, better when you have 2 or 3 ac2, someone will learn how to use them like before, someone wont

Edited by Almighty Cico, 19 April 2014 - 03:38 PM.

[Almond Brown]

Mcgral18, on 19 April 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

No, the 12 mans I've run in say FLD poptarting is best. We've been doing a couple no PPC drops, and we roll the poor poptarts often enough, but the skilled meta teams tend to beat you when you use inferior weapons. It's that simple.

So, tell me a non meta build that is good.

It is the Pilot ffs. No his machine.

[Mcgral18]

Almond Brown, on 19 April 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

It is the Pilot ffs. No his machine.

Tell that to the flamers.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 19 April 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Tell that to the flamers.

lol. TAKING THINGS TO AN EXTREME? Yes, bad builds are bad builds. But if one is running a good build, which does NOT have to be Meta, then yeah, the pilot is the prime ingredient to the success.

[Mcgral18]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 April 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

lol. TAKING THINGS TO AN EXTREME? Yes, bad builds are bad builds. But if one is running a good build, which does NOT have to be Meta, then yeah, the pilot is the prime ingredient to the success.

Correct. And all things equal, the FLD will win.

This is assuming similar laser VS dakka/+ppc. If you get under 90M, then the lasers get a bigger chance.

The lasers will naturally spread their damage, while the ACs are frontloaded. Even 10s will win out against lasers. Smaller cannons can spread their damage, though.

[Almond Brown]

Mcgral18, on 19 April 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

Correct. And all things equal, the FLD will win.

This is assuming similar laser VS dakka/+ppc. If you get under 90M, then the lasers get a bigger chance.

The lasers will naturally spread their damage, while the ACs are frontloaded. Even 10s will win out against lasers. Smaller cannons can spread their damage, though.

With all things equal, what is left, but the Pilots.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 19 April 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

Correct. And all things equal, the FLD will win.

This is assuming similar laser VS dakka/+ppc. If you get under 90M, then the lasers get a bigger chance.

The lasers will naturally spread their damage, while the ACs are frontloaded. Even 10s will win out against lasers. Smaller cannons can spread their damage, though.

but again, FLD is not the Meta. It is one ingredient. No one in 12 man would consider my Ilya build Meta. And yet it carries 2 ac10. And yet I have killed many FLD Poptarts with it, including top players. My SRM On1-VA is ALL FLD, with 4 aSRM4 and an ac10. Again, no one in their right mind would call it meta.

[Mcgral18]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 April 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

but again, FLD is not the Meta. It is one ingredient. No one in 12 man would consider my Ilya build Meta. And yet it carries 2 ac10. And yet I have killed many FLD Poptarts with it, including top players. My SRM On1-VA is ALL FLD, with 4 aSRM4 and an ac10. Again, no one in their right mind would call it meta.

True, you need a 30-40 FLD pinpoint alpha. Jumping is a big plus.

But, the gausscat can still be considered meta. But...I guess the tri-Gauss Ilya can't. You still need some armor to be meta.

Almond Brown, on 19 April 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

With all things equal, what is left, but the Pilots.

And whoever gets the most artillery shells to hit.

[FupDup]

Pjwned, on 19 April 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Yep it's totally pointless to have something with the same DPS as a bigger gun, except it weighs less and takes less slots.

Who could possibly have any use for something like that.

The number of people who think that DPS is even in the same league as alpha striking is truly astounding.

[Almond Brown]

Mcgral18, on 19 April 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

True, you need a 30-40 FLD pinpoint alpha. Jumping is a big plus.

But, the gausscat can still be considered meta. But...I guess the tri-Gauss Ilya can't. You still need some armor to be meta.

And whoever gets the most artillery shells to hit.

LOL! But the Pilot drops.

FupDup, on 19 April 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

The number of people who think that DPS is even in the same league as alpha striking is truly astounding.

Give us a number Fup.

Edited by Almond Brown, 19 April 2014 - 04:37 PM.

[FupDup]

Almond Brown, on 19 April 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Give us a number Fup.

You set yourself up for that one.