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[WarHippy]

Cattra Kell, on 23 April 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Because I personally like e-sports. I played CAL for CS1.6 and CS:S. I use to play in the Highlander torny for TF2 with the 2Fort2Furious crew. I use to play local tornys for War3 Dota and now I also play Dota 2.

I enjoy competitive. That being said your baseless accusations that I had something to do with the lobby system is false. Would I be telling a lie if I said I didn't like it? Yeah - I enjoy playing e-sports and so do a ton of people in Marik, RHoD and MCRB.

Fair enough, and I like esports as well. I played far more CS than most would be willing to admit, but would it really be so bad since you have the devs ear to ask Roadbeer's question and push for a proper answer? I'm a solo player and I see just how poorly casual group play is treated here and I would like to know why. If you don't like being labeled a shill for PGI ask them some tough questions instead of all the softball questions.

[Cattra Kell]

Roadbeer, on 23 April 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

LOL,

Don't use Marik, when you mean MCW, which while it began with us, how many House Marik units do you actually see in it?
When was the last time you saw Marik Monday Madness on the NGNG server with a population over 40? How big did it used to be? I recall crashing your TS server on at least one occasion with it.

Organized groups are dying, and the championing for "ESports" while ignoring the root of the 84% problem makes it less of an interview with Paul, and more of a commercial.

You are technically correct, though you are simply straw-manning the argument at this point by nitpicking words to try to bolster your own point. When I say "Marik" its pretty obvious I mean Marik civil war due to me previously posting about said league, I know a good number of people as well when you say "marik" in a sense of competitive action in the game of Mechwarrior online they immediately pick up on Marik civil war.

Mr. Roadbeer, please.

Deathlike, on 23 April 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

That's fine. I thought for a moment there that (most of) NGNG was part of the "Secret Squirrel" program (it may just be a few or something, so they probably can't reveal themselves).

With that said, I have heard/read from other sources that NGNG's forums was the place to have "civilized discussions", but there's plenty of that around here (some with more emotional or vitriolic responses about the same topics). I would hope that there isn't a misconception that here on the MWO boards that we aren't trying to discuss things civilly as much as possible.

Also, congrats to placing in your league's tourney.

I lurk the GD all day. I love the GD and I stopped using the MWO forums (mainly) when the GD was removed. I have always been a huge fan of it and im glad its back. Also, thank you.

[Nick Makiaveli]

So in other words, CW is indefinitely delayed.

I think I am going to go play TESO for awhile and visit when Clans show up. Then vacation in Tamriel again till CW gets "close" so I can hone my skills.....

[Deathlike]

Gas Guzzler, on 23 April 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

To be honest though the ghost heat penalty for 3 LLs is actually very small. 3 LLs should be 21 and its 24.53. Compare to 3 PPCs should be 30, and they are like 42. YIKES!

I'd still drop it. It's not heavily penalized, but that doesn't help the situation. Linking it to LPL (which is also a meh weapon) makes it worse.

Mister Blastman, on 23 April 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

I say let them be OP!
It is high time Snipers feared SRM brawlers. Their day of reckoning is coming and we'll be happy to bring it to them.

BRAWL BRAWL BRAWL!

Cattra Kell, on 23 April 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Because I personally like e-sports. I played CAL for CS1.6 and CS:S. I use to play in the Highlander torny for TF2 with the 2Fort2Furious crew. I use to play local tornys for War3 Dota and now I also play Dota 2.

I enjoy competitive. That being said your baseless accusations that I had something to do with the lobby system is false. Would I be telling a lie if I said I didn't like it? Yeah - I enjoy playing e-sports and so do a ton of people in Marik, RHoD and MCRB.

I don't care for e-sports, but even if it were to be implemented, BALANCE has to be done in a much more serious manner than it is now. I myself like to be competitive, but knowing enough about this games mechanics AND the state of the MM makes viewing any random match like asking for a facepalm.

Imagine this for a "battle rom":
So, the masses are duking it out @ D4 on Canyon. Everyone giving their shots in the small windows they've given themselves.

What's this? What is that lone mech over @ B4 doing? Protecting the base? From what? I hope he's not the deciding difference between winning and losing!

(Minutes later)

Well, it was a close match, but had that guy hiding wasn't just "protecting the base from tumbleweed", the match would have been more decisive! Then again, he was trying to shoot the light mech on the field, with arm lock on. Better luck next time Mechwarriors!

[Hellen Wheels]

Nick Makiaveli, on 23 April 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

So in other words, CW is indefinitely delayed.

Yup. Clan Pack refund requested. Too bad I didn't see through these charlatans before. Truly sorry that I sank any money into this train wreck. Lesson learned.

Edited by Hellen Wheels, 23 April 2014 - 01:43 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Hellen Wheels, on 23 April 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Yup. Clan Pack refund requested.

Good luck with that.
I tried to get my PTime halted when their "position changed" over 2-12 (in the span of December to March) and support basically laughed at me.

I expect their response to you will be "We announced a phased implementation" then they will link to you a section of the ToS where it's an evolving game and things are likely to change after they are announced, and that you agreed to it, so...

[Kyle Reece]

Nick Makiaveli, on 23 April 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

So in other words, CW is indefinitely delayed.

And my curiosity gets the better of me. How did you come to that conclusion?

[Deathlike]

Kyle Reece, on 23 April 2014 - 01:43 PM, said:

And my curiosity gets the better of me. How did you come to that conclusion?

90 Days...

Oh I mean... Russ had been hinting in a recent NGNG podcast to "delay CW" in order to "polish up the game" (well, assuming we agree to it... or not).

Although, this game needs A DESPERATE NEED OF POLISH (like, EVERYTHING, smurfy mechlab component, Social interface not working quite right, needing to reduce the 1 DC per match drop), it's giving them the "excuse" to delay stuff. Right now many of us would like to hold their feet to the fire to deliver CW. I'm not even sure if that's a good option having seen what we got from the initial deployment of UI 2.0.

So, it's a slow progression of "trying to buy time". Mind you, the clan pack is still likely to come on time, like EVERY new mech in this game. It's EVERYTHING ELSE that's holding up the pipeline (Launch Module, which will debut next week for instance) and that isn't actually going to directly give PGI money. Features that don't infer an MC value is "not profitable" but delivering it in its entirety w/o being half-arsed DOES get consumers to open their wallets. That's the problem PGI is actually facing.

Edited by Deathlike, 23 April 2014 - 01:50 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Deathlike, on 23 April 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

...and that isn't actually going to directly give PGI money.

Ahem

Premium Private Matches

[RG Notch]

Roadbeer, on 23 April 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

Organized groups are dying, and the championing for "ESports" while ignoring the root of the 84% problem makes it less of an interview with Paul, and more of a commercial.

Are you still operating under the delusion that the NGNG podcasts are anything other than commercials for MWO? Seriously....

[BARBAR0SSA]

Nick Makiaveli, on 23 April 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

So in other words, CW is indefinitely delayed.

I think I am going to go play TESO for awhile and visit when Clans show up. Then vacation in Tamriel again till CW gets "close" so I can hone my skills.....

I can't bring myself to play that sack of crap game anymore, what a waste of money it was.
Probably the most over hyped MMO to date, now I understand why beta had low level limitations and was in short time frames. But my god, talk about a lack of fun and skill required.

[Deathlike]

Roadbeer, on 23 April 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

Ahem

Premium Private Matches

I've always held long belief that people of units would not mind renting out "a virtual server" (per month, like for many games) hand over fist over the future "pay per use private matches". I mean, various clans have no problem renting out a TS3 server for their own purposes.

I dunno... it's their loss.

Edited by Deathlike, 23 April 2014 - 02:04 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Deathlike, on 23 April 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

I've always held long belief that people of units would not mind renting out "a virtual server" (per month, like for many games) hand over fist over the future "pay per use private matches". I mean, various clans have no problem renting out a TS3 server for their own purposes.

I dunno... it's their loss.

They probably would if there was some sort of benefit for using it.
But with the lack of awards, and the need for a 3rd party system, the whole thing is just a special ruler for measuring Epeen.

There are so many ways that they could monetize group play, that organized units would probably, literally, throw money at..
Meh, whatever, #lostopportunity

They'll be gone by the time that PGI figures it out.

[Faith McCarron]

Roadbeer, on 23 April 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

Organized groups are dying, and the championing for "ESports" while ignoring the root of the 84% problem makes it less of an interview with Paul, and more of a commercial.

This raises a good point. For a lot of us in groups, keeping the group together is a near imposible task given the state of the game. What do most people want? Some form of CW where they can group up with 3 or 4 (or whatever number) of their friends for an evening and play some matches set in the Battletech universe that mean something. But instead, we keep getting strung along, and now the initial phases of Community Warfare are a Launch Module that requires us to go out there and set up all the logistical framework within which the private match structure will function.

What's going to come of this, you ask? Private matches aren't going to lead to any kind of flavored CW, they're going to lead to competitive leagues and tournaments. Now, personally, I have no problem with that on an individual level. But that offers nothing for the vast majority of the group that I game with, which are people looking for some organized Battletech fun with their internet friends in the evening, not a hard-core e-sport.

[Trauglodyte]

Deathlike, on 23 April 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

All I can say is that Paul still believes people claim that 3 LL is OP.

That and I'm starting to wonder what would happen if NGNG fought a top tier group in 12-mans... because the idea of balance based on NGNG is a far cry from reality.

Those two guys are some of the worst players I've ever seen. And yet, somehow, they're the ones that PGI listens to or at least talks to on a consistent basis. Then again, if it were anyone else, we'd still be saying the same thing. I just hate that they talk to a couple of LITERAL neckbeards.

[Duke Hector]

Jack Avery, on 23 April 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

SRMs will be fine at 2 damage with no splash if hit reg is fixed. Their flight path is terrible anyway.

Well, halfway there on the ACs, just need to realize that you need to do that to the IS ones as well.

And the LBX -- seriously, what the hell? You don't want to invalidate the IS AC/10, so you instead choose to leave the LB-10X invalidated? What are you thinking?

why would you be upset about this? we don't know if we can even put clan tech into IS mechs, because if we can it would invalidate the Entire IS armory. everyone would be running clan tech in IS mechs, so whats the point of IS tech then?

because i can just wait until CTF-3D running ultra AC-20s with ER medium lasers, or K2 UAC20s or UAC40s boom jagers

you can see what kinda a problem this is going to cause

[Deathlike]

Trauglodyte, on 23 April 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

Those two guys are some of the worst players I've ever seen. And yet, somehow, they're the ones that PGI listens to or at least talks to on a consistent basis. Then again, if it were anyone else, we'd still be saying the same thing. I just hate that they talk to a couple of LITERAL neckbeards.

Well, there was this one NGNG vid where IIRC Sean Lang "showed us" what the meta looks like. I think this was with JagerXII and crew, but I forget the details. The game ended up with a lopsided score (aka "ggclose").

Anyhow... I see it and play it all the time. Can't run the Tbolt-9S (which I sold) w/o running into meta that I'm usually going to lose to (until I get the upper hand, which takes a LOT more effort).

Whatever, I deal with it.. go meta, and win more. Sad state of affairs.

[Trauglodyte]

Deathlike, on 23 April 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Well, there was this one NGNG vid where IIRC Sean Lang "showed us" what the meta looks like. I think this was with JagerXII and crew, but I forget the details. The game ended up with a lopsided score (aka "ggclose").

Anyhow... I see it and play it all the time. Can't run the Tbolt-9S (which I sold) w/o running into meta that I'm usually going to lose to (until I get the upper hand, which takes a LOT more effort).

Whatever, I deal with it.. go meta, and win more. Sad state of affairs.

Yeah, I play it too. I don't like it but until FLD is somehow minimized, you go with what works best. I still run LRMs and other weapons. But, my D-DC with PPCs and ACs is still much better at doing its job than LRMs on that same chassis. Coincidence?

[General Taskeen]

Slugs only for Clan LB-X, haha. What a joke. Remember, when he thinks out loud, that's usually how it is going to be.

See what I mean folks about the devs picking and choosing things they want to add which is direct detriment to balance?

The community has already outlined several ways for changes to LB-X in order to not obsolete their regular AC counter-parts. Hell previous MechWarrior games already figured it out. Basically what he said will obsolete IS LB-X altogether and regular AC's. Down is Up, and Up is Down.

Even Stock 'Mechs that are in-game came with slugs and cluster on their record sheets, but they had to replace both tons of ammo with cluster since they did not (yet) have slugs even though they "talked" about adding them in the Beta. IS/Clan LB-X were specifically balanced since they could both use it in TT. The Clan advantage was usually more range and a lighter gun, and that was it. They did the same exact damage.

Paul's thoughts on the Ultra's also made me chuckle, even though AC's could be better balanced as all burst weapons, they still want to keep the annoying as hell, "Hey, let me roll that dice for you, oh I guess you rolled bad, too bad for you" - The Game.

If I am still playing the game by then, and even if I had a Clan Mech if it comes an LB-X, I am instantly stripping off poorly thought cluster rounds for regular rounds. I would also strip of all "not sure when this is gonna jam UAC" for LB-X with standard rounds. It'll be the new "ac meta."

Again hilarious, not sure what else to say.

Edited by General Taskeen, 23 April 2014 - 02:28 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Cattra Kell, on 23 April 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Mr. Roadbeer, please.

Tell you what. How about you go and add the entire active population of MCW, RHoD and MCRB and get back to me